[Lnc-business] Judicial committee
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 20:25:09 EDT 2018
Valid points on the committees from both Joe and Caryn Ann.
Given that the technology is pretty flexible these days, I am not sure we could not explore the changes separately in existing groups, IE bylaws committee and looking into IT. Tho I see Caryn Ann's point about being less tied to the LNC as valid.
John PhillipsLibertarian National Committee Region 6 RepresentativeCell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 7:06 PMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Good questions. My answers would be that the only way this works is if
everyone feels like they have a seat at the table. Timing wise, this
gives them time to collect ideas and feedback while giving us time to
address it if they can't come up with a consensus recommendation.
It's also more than just technology - it's also whether we do plurality
or IRV or approval, it's whether we do combined ballots or all separate,
it's whether we need three days or four or five. There's off-the-shelf
electronic voting things we can rent - I've done elections with them
before - but I think our Party members would without buy-in reject them
as centralized and potentially not secure. The solution may just be some
new bylaws changes and more tellers and computers, and no new
technology. I'm not sure.
JBH
On 2018-07-05 19:56, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the purview of IT?
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
> Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
> To: [3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: [4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
> I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
> election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 100
> delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time we got
> to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting and
> tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting from Party
> members.
>
> That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did perhaps
> the
> least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that anything we do
> that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or keeping the
> dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all Party members
> or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the rules we
> should
> be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and post-hoc.
>
> I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do. Taking
> Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three birds with
> one stone:
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted that
> the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available At-Large
> seats on the LNC; and
>
> WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee members
> be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large members of
> the
> National Committee; and
>
> WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would clear
> all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and Alicia
> Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a two-year term;
> and
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of D.
> Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale,
> Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for a
> four-year term; and
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
> present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019 for
> improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation process of
> LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
> (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
> (2) the Party Secretary
> (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
> (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among the
> various caucuses in the Party.
>
>
> JBH
>
>
> On [5]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint
>> the
>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can
>> be
>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit applications
>> from
>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>>
>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify
>> they
>> have been members for four years.
>>
>> --
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [6]317-850-0726 Cell
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:217-412-5973
> 2. http://joe.bi/
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 5. tel:2018-07-05 18
> 6. tel:317-850-0726
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Valid points on the committees from both Joe and Caryn Ann.
Given that the technology is pretty flexible these days, I am not sure
we could not explore the changes separately in existing groups, IE
bylaws committee and looking into IT. Tho I see Caryn Ann's point
about being less tied to the LNC as valid.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 7:06 PM
To: [3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: [4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Good questions. My answers would be that the only way this works is if
everyone feels like they have a seat at the table. Timing wise, this
gives them time to collect ideas and feedback while giving us time to
address it if they can't come up with a consensus recommendation.
It's also more than just technology - it's also whether we do plurality
or IRV or approval, it's whether we do combined ballots or all separate,
it's whether we need three days or four or five. There's off-the-shelf
electronic voting things we can rent - I've done elections with them
before - but I think our Party members would without buy-in reject them
as centralized and potentially not secure. The solution may just be some
new bylaws changes and more tellers and computers, and no new
technology. I'm not sure.
JBH
On [5]2018-07-05 19:56, [6]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the purview of IT?
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1][7]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: [2][8]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
> Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
> To: [3[9]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: [4[10]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
> I've been thinking about this since the night of the At-Large/JC
> election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had perhaps 100
> delegates who were going to support me already leave by the time we got
> to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long balloting and
> tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm getting from Party
> members.
>
> That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention did perhaps
> the
> least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that anything we do
> that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or keeping the
> dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all Party members
> or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the rules we
> should
> be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and post-hoc.
>
> I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of you do. Taking
> Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling three birds with
> one stone:
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3, 2018 voted that
> the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all available At-Large
> seats on the LNC; and
>
> WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial Committee members
> be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large members of
> the
> National Committee; and
>
> WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section 7 would clear
> all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath, and Alicia
> Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a two-year term;
> and
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the election of D.
> Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale,
> Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee for a
> four-year term; and
>
> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be established to
> present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September 1, 2019 for
> improving the election scheduling, balloting, and tabulation process of
> LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
> (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
> (2) the Party Secretary
> (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
> (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from among the
> various caucuses in the Party.
>
>
> JBH
>
>
> On [5][11]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a procedure for
>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion to appoint
>> the
>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I suppose we can
>> be
>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit applications
>> from
>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>>
>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have to verify
>> they
>> have been members for four years.
>>
>> --
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [6][12]317-850-0726 Cell
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:[13]217-412-5973
> 2. [14]http://joe.bi/
> 3. mailto[15]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto[16]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 5. tel:[17]2018-07-05 18
> 6. tel:[18]317-850-0726
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. http://joe.bi/
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
5. tel:2018-07-05 19
6. http://john.ph/
7. tel:217-412-5973
8. http://joe.bi/
9. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
11. tel:2018-07-05 18
12. tel:317-850-0726
13. tel:217-412-5973
14. http://joe.bi/
15. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
17. tel:2018-07-05 18
18. tel:317-850-0726
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