[Lnc-business] Judicial committee
Sam Goldstein
sam.goldstein at lp.org
Thu Jul 5 21:30:52 EDT 2018
Hey Alex, didn't you win the Vice Chair election? Might want to change
your name line above!
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Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-05 21:12, Alex Merced (Region 8 Alt) via Lnc-business wrote:
> Stuart Flood from SC said he has a prototype for electronic balloting
> that is compliant with the bylaws and is willing to present and put
> together prototype for the next meeting, is there interest in doing
> so? Also, LPTX used scantron sheets for balloting although come to
> think of it that approach may not be currently compliant with national
> bylaws, I can also reach out to them to discuss how they do it if
> interest.
>
> Also, during first LNC meeting I wasn’t sure if we were going to need
> to propose committees so in the name of saving time I wrote down
> Committee motions for a new Blockchain Committee and Electric Ballot
> Committee based on the wording for the outreach committee that many of
> you helped me with earlier in the year.
>
> Caryn Ann, do you have these motions could you send them to me so I
> can start a new thread for each one to perfect the wording?
>
> Also, congrats to all of you for your elections and re-elections to
> the LNC. I look forward to working with everyone! :)
>
> Alex Merced
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 9:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> It was presented to the delegates as:
>> a. you say the top five
>> b. you let the LNC do so and they shouldn't be trusted
>> It was the horns of a false dilemma and they were spoon-fed the path
>> to
>> go. To me that is interfering in our own internal elections and
>> inappropriate. If this was the first time, well okay. For me it is
>> the
>> second time and I am hearing that it has been multiple times.
>> It is time for this to not be swept under the rug with a patch.
>> I have not made a choice when I am told I have to pick between two
>> bad
>> choices when there were other options if given some time to hash
>> out.
>> Hell we could have done a run off standing vote between some of
>> them. These were so close that they do not represent at all what
>> our
>> rules intended.
>> It's not right. And I am not going to pretend like it is.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Alicia keeps all the paper ballots along with the
>> state tally sheets from each convention. Give her a day or two
>> to rest up!
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2018-07-05 20:44, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> I have one delegation in Region 1 right now that is not happy
>> about
>> the At Large situation, and is requesting an audit of the vote.
>> Specifically the state by state break down, as is afforded on all
>> other election results, but no delegation was able to review the
>> results to ensure accuracy. There is further concern that there
>> was
>> no
>> preservation of the original ballots from the delegations.
>> I can tell you this much: had I known what was going on, I would
>> have
>> raised these concerns on the floor. Unfortunately, I had to
>> credential
>> out because I had to get on a flight back to Utah for July 4th as
>> my
>> campaign had multiple outreach events. Many delegates also were
>> candidates that had to leave for similar reasons.
>> We cannot rush through this as if it is an afterthought.
>> Especially
>> if
>> there ended up being a need for the JC to rule on an issue.
>> Craig Bowden
>> Region 1 Alternate
>> On 2018-07-05 18:30, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> As this is an LNC created committee, I think that committee
>> creation
>> by
>> larger unrelated bodies is a recipe for disaster. As a group
>> we
>> can
>> pick applicants who fill in needed holes and knowledge. I am
>> not
>> thinking 50 person. I am thinking 9, 11, or 13. It is a big
>> issue.
>> I think some LNC members should be ex officio advisory members
>> only.
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> <[1][2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> Caryn Ann, I was thinking state chairs or people they
>> appoint.
>> Which could be some of the people you're thinking might be
>> good.
>> A 50 person committee would be too large (someone from each
>> state
>> affiliate), but Regions could send one or two people. Eight
>> regions
>> and two from each, so maybe 16 people. (Or, could be
>> smaller)
>> They could work on "improving the election scheduling,
>> balloting,
>> and tabulation process", and report sometime in 2019 to see
>> what
>> improvements could be made.
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> [2][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> On 2018-07-05 20:12, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> It needs a much larger and more diverse committee that
>> doesn't
>> have
>> the
>> LNC's thumb on it like every other committee. Many many
>> many
>> qualified
>> people offered, including former LNC people who have been
>> to
>> this
>> rodeo.
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, joe.bishop-henchman--- via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[1][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Good questions. My answers would be that the only way
>> this
>> works is
>> if everyone feels like they have a seat at the table.
>> Timing
>> wise,
>> this gives them time to collect ideas and feedback while
>> giving
>> us
>> time to address it if they can't come up with a
>> consensus
>> recommendation.
>> It's also more than just technology - it's also whether
>> we
>> do
>> plurality or IRV or approval, it's whether we do
>> combined
>> ballots or
>> all separate, it's whether we need three days or four or
>> five.
>> There's off-the-shelf electronic voting things we can
>> rent
>> -
>> I've
>> done elections with them before - but I think our Party
>> members
>> would without buy-in reject them as centralized and
>> potentially
>> not
>> secure. The solution may just be some new bylaws changes
>> and
>> more
>> tellers and computers, and no new technology. I'm not
>> sure.
>> JBH
>> On 2018-07-05 19:56, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> Why start a new committee? Shouldn't this fall under the
>> purview of
>> IT?
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6
>> Representative
>> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: [2]joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business
>> Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:32 PM
>> To: [3][2][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>> Cc: [4][3][5][6]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Judicial committee
>> I've been thinking about this since the night of the
>> At-Large/JC
>> election and I do share Ms. Harlos's frustration. I had
>> perhaps
>> 100
>> delegates who were going to support me already leave by
>> the
>> time
>> we
>> got
>> to the At-Large election. Complaining about how long
>> balloting and
>> tabulation took is already the #1 feedback topic I'm
>> getting
>> from
>> Party
>> members.
>> That said, I agree with Ms. Van Horn that the Convention
>> did
>> perhaps
>> the
>> least worst option under the circumstances. I worry that
>> anything
>> we
>> do
>> that departs from that, be it putting our own people on or
>> keeping
>> the
>> dead hand of the last JC or sending a mail ballot to all
>> Party
>> members
>> or some rump thereof, is even more disconnected from the
>> rules we
>> should
>> be following and destined to be viewed as illegitimate and
>> post-hoc.
>> I would like to fix it for next time, as I know many of
>> you
>> do.
>> Taking
>> Mr. Goldstein's suggestion, I took a stab at tackling
>> three
>> birds
>> with
>> one stone:
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Convention on July 3,
>> 2018
>> voted
>> that
>> the top vote-getters in the At-Large race fill all
>> available
>> At-Large
>> seats on the LNC; and
>> WHEREAS, Rule 9 directs that the election of Judicial
>> Committee
>> members
>> be conducted as the same manner as specified for at-large
>> members
>> of
>> the
>> National Committee; and
>> WHEREAS, LNC action pursuant to Bylaws Article 7, Section
>> 7
>> would
>> clear
>> all potential doubts as to who the new LNC members are;
>> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that Joshua Smith, Bill Redpath,
>> and
>> Alicia
>> Mattson are added to the LNC as At-Large members for a
>> two-year
>> term;
>> and
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the LNC acknowledges the
>> election of
>> D.
>> Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
>> Geoff
>> Neale,
>> Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle to the Judicial Committee
>> for a
>> four-year term; and
>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a special committee be
>> established to
>> present a consensus recommendation to the LNC by September
>> 1, 2019
>> for
>> improving the election scheduling, balloting, and
>> tabulation
>> process
>> of
>> LNC elections, with said committee to consist of:
>> (1) the Party Vice-Chair, who will act as chairperson
>> (2) the Party Secretary
>> (3) a designee of the Bylaws & Rules Committee
>> (4) four Party members appointed by the Party Chair, from
>> among
>> the
>> various caucuses in the Party.
>> JBH
>> On [5]2018-07-05 18:04, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> Since we apparently closed the convention without a
>> procedure for
>> populating the JC, is anyone in the mood for a motion
>> to
>> appoint
>> the
>> top seven vote winners as the JC for this term? I
>> suppose we
>> can
>> be
>> anarchists and live without a JC this term or solicit
>> applications
>> from
>> people who were not nominated at convention.
>> I don't have the top seven names handy, we would have
>> to
>> verify
>> they
>> have been members for four years.
>> --
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [6]317-850-0726 Cell
>> References
>> 1. tel:217-412-5973
>> 2. [4][6][7]http://joe.bi/
>> 3. mailto:[5][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[6][8][9]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 5. tel:2018-07-05 18
>> 6. tel:317-850-0726
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [8]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[9][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[11][12]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 4. [12][13]http://joe.bi/
>> 5. mailto:[13][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:[14][15]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 8. [16][16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [18]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[17]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 2. [18]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 3. mailto:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[21]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 6. [22]http://joe.bi/
>> 7. mailto:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto:[24]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 9. mailto:[25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 10. mailto:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. mailto:[27]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 12. [28]http://joe.bi/
>> 13. mailto:[29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. mailto:[30]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 15. mailto:[31]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 16. [32]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 17. mailto:[33]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 18. [34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> - [35]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, [36]Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 7. http://joe.bi/
>> 8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 12. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 13. http://joe.bi/
>> 14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 15. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 17. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
>> 18. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> 19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 21. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 22. http://joe.bi/
>> 23. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 24. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 26. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 27. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 28. http://joe.bi/
>> 29. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 30. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 31. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 32. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 35. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 36. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
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