[Lnc-business] update on timing
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Jul 10 23:32:29 EDT 2018
The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in this case.
And no one who ran should conduct it.
I continue to offer to assist.
There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if anything presented
that way you have my abject apology.
What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a timeline. I don’t
think that is unreasonable. They feel like they are being ignored.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your hasty efforts and
> dedication in getting these items available as soon as you can.
>
> Richard
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Ms. Harlos,
> I indicated before that I would be traveling with a full schedule
> and
> only sporadic internet access, and would not return to my more
> normal
> routine until Monday. I got home from my trip Sunday night, and
> starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you started the "Are
> we
> there yet?" messages about the At-Large details. Then throughout
> the
> day it became rather unfair characterizations that I was saying
> "well,
> whenever" as though I'm blowing it off. That tone is not
> warranted nor
> appreciated.
> Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the totals I sent
> do
> exist, but providing that will not be the end of the story. If
> all I
> send is that, immediately the questions will begin about the
> instances
> where those numbers vary from the delegation tally sheets because
> we
> caught and corrected errors. Then while I am researching to
> answer
> those questions, we all know the internet gossip will get silly,
> with
> people not being careful to say only things they know to be true
> while
> waiting on answers to the questions.
> My usual practice is to do the post-convention audit as part of
> building the convention minutes, which is near the end of my
> to-do list
> after having updated other minutes with timing deadlines, policy,
> bylaws, platform, etc. Instead, so I can answer most questions
> on
> at-large before they are asked, because there was a very close
> outcome
> that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of the At-Large race
> to do
> it mostly first...though I did also send updated minutes to meet
> a
> posting deadline and update the Policy Manual earlier.
> When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll scan the state
> tally
> sheets, plus provide my notes about what's different between the
> two
> and why so that those questions can be addressed simultaneously
> in one
> message, rather than being spread out in different places at
> different
> times where people might miss some of it.
> You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10 people to go
> through
> the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting on July 2nd?
> You
> can deduce from that how long it takes one person to give the
> At-Large
> the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment. Today I spent a
> LARGE
> number of hours on the project. I think I have about a dozen
> states
> left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing up my notes.
> It
> takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we there yet?", but
> it
> takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
> I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the project to
> know
> precisely how long I would get to work on it today, or how long
> it
> would take to complete. Rather than emailing the LNC every 30
> minutes,
> (and I haven't even taken time to comment on the two email
> ballots yet,
> though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on just getting
> this
> task done so I can move on to the next. It is a high priority on
> my
> list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
> To others who have been asking about the rest of my to-do list,
> I'm
> doing this project first. In the case of adopted resolutions,
> please
> recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts all sorts of
> things
> from the floor while the Secretary is trying to tally election
> results. I suppose I should be flattered that some believe I can
> document those fully on the fly while I'm simultaneously
> aggregating
> election results, and have completed minutes immediately
> following
> adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic. I am a human
> who is
> constrained by the laws of time and space. I could only make
> sparse
> notes about the nature of other proceedings while I was working
> on
> elections, and when I start building the convention minutes, I'll
> have
> to go back and review the recordings to verify that I caught all
> the
> relevant details. I have a large envelope of lots of things that
> were
> submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was actually voted
> on,
> verify that the written submission matches what the delegates
> were told
> they were voting on, etc.
> Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll get to them all
> as
> soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at home with my usual
> workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to all happen
> instantaneously.
> -Alicia
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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The At-Large results shouldn’t be a one-person audit in this case.
And no one who ran should conduct it.
I continue to offer to assist.
There was no intent to have an inappropriate tone and if anything
presented that way you have my abject apology.
What is being asked - by several state Chairs - is a timeline. I don’t
think that is unreasonable. They feel like they are being ignored.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for your work Alicia. I appreciate your hasty efforts
and
dedication in getting these items available as soon as you can.
Richard
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 05:09 Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
<[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Ms. Harlos,
I indicated before that I would be traveling with a full
schedule
and
only sporadic internet access, and would not return to my
more
normal
routine until Monday. I got home from my trip Sunday night,
and
starting in the wee hours of Monday morning you started the
"Are
we
there yet?" messages about the At-Large details. Then
throughout
the
day it became rather unfair characterizations that I was
saying
"well,
whenever" as though I'm blowing it off. That tone is not
warranted nor
appreciated.
Yes, the state-by-state numbers that add up to the totals I
sent
do
exist, but providing that will not be the end of the story.
If
all I
send is that, immediately the questions will begin about the
instances
where those numbers vary from the delegation tally sheets
because
we
caught and corrected errors. Then while I am researching to
answer
those questions, we all know the internet gossip will get
silly,
with
people not being careful to say only things they know to be
true
while
waiting on answers to the questions.
My usual practice is to do the post-convention audit as part
of
building the convention minutes, which is near the end of my
to-do list
after having updated other minutes with timing deadlines,
policy,
bylaws, platform, etc. Instead, so I can answer most
questions
on
at-large before they are asked, because there was a very
close
outcome
that involves me, I've prioritized the audit of the At-Large
race
to do
it mostly first...though I did also send updated minutes to
meet
a
posting deadline and update the Policy Manual earlier.
When I provide the state-by-state numbers, I'll scan the
state
tally
sheets, plus provide my notes about what's different between
the
two
and why so that those questions can be addressed
simultaneously
in one
message, rather than being spread out in different places at
different
times where people might miss some of it.
You're well aware of how long it took a team of 10 people to
go
through
the Judicial Committee votes after the LNC meeting on July
2nd?
You
can deduce from that how long it takes one person to give
the
At-Large
the second-pass, fine-tooth-comb treatment. Today I spent a
LARGE
number of hours on the project. I think I have about a
dozen
states
left to go, plus tally sheet scanning and writing up my
notes.
It
takes only a few seconds for you to ask, "Are we there
yet?", but
it
takes a lot longer to actually accomplish it.
I didn't have the crystal ball at the start of the project
to
know
precisely how long I would get to work on it today, or how
long
it
would take to complete. Rather than emailing the LNC every
30
minutes,
(and I haven't even taken time to comment on the two email
ballots yet,
though I have a bit to say there), I'm focusing on just
getting
this
task done so I can move on to the next. It is a high
priority on
my
list, and when I finish it, I'll send it.
To others who have been asking about the rest of my to-do
list,
I'm
doing this project first. In the case of adopted
resolutions,
please
recall that our convention forges ahead and adopts all sorts
of
things
from the floor while the Secretary is trying to tally
election
results. I suppose I should be flattered that some believe
I can
document those fully on the fly while I'm simultaneously
aggregating
election results, and have completed minutes immediately
following
adjournment, but that's a bit overly optimistic. I am a
human
who is
constrained by the laws of time and space. I could only
make
sparse
notes about the nature of other proceedings while I was
working
on
elections, and when I start building the convention minutes,
I'll
have
to go back and review the recordings to verify that I caught
all
the
relevant details. I have a large envelope of lots of things
that
were
submitted in writing, so I'll fish out what was actually
voted
on,
verify that the written submission matches what the
delegates
were told
they were voting on, etc.
Again, all these items are in the queue, and I'll get to
them all
as
soon as I reasonably can now that I am back at home with my
usual
workspace, but it is unreasonable to expect it to all happen
instantaneously.
-Alicia
References
1. mailto:[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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