[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Jul 10 23:36:40 EDT 2018
The ballot would be a second ballot as we already had a first.
This issue goes beyond member preference and into member rights which
cannot be waived by a majority informally.
It is one of the few instances where professional parliamentary advice
should be sought.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:14 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
> I'd like to remind new members to listen to your constituency. If you're
> a Region Rep, that means your regional members, state affiliate
> officers, etc. For At-Large, that means *all* the LP members are your
> constituency, so a broad spectrum feedback might give you information on
> what the LP body wishes.
>
> Also, I'll say that some of the feedback I'm getting from Region 3 says
> that they'd be fine with *no* Judicial Committee. This feedback came
> from a State Chair and a State VC, in Region 3, and officers of two
> other state affiliates in the region. The 'no Judicial Committee"
> option, means we just don't have a JC, and then in 2020, during a
> regular convention, the delegate body elects a new Judicial Committee.
>
> NO ONE has suggested that the LNC conduct a mail ballot of the former
> delegates at the convention, and I'd also be against that method, as
> that *would* be the LNC trying to orchestrate an outcome, as we already
> had a delegate vote regarding the JC. That would be the LNC
> disregarding the delegate body and votes that we all saw happen at
> convention. The way to respect the delegate body, is to either approve
> the top seven JC candidates, or have no JC until the 2020 convention can
> elect that committee. The former would be giving voice to the delegate
> body, and the latter would also be giving voice, while recognizing that
> the delegate voting procedure didn't finalize a committee.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
>
> On 2018-07-10 20:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > And I remind everyone, particularly the new members, this is ultimately
> > a parliamentary question not a popularity one. And I urge you to
> > avail
> > yourselves of the opportunity to speak with the convention
> > parliamentarian on this issue.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for considering my points Richard. I am coming at this
> > also
> > from a keen awareness of how awry things like this can go. One
> > small
> > well-intentioned expediency on the part the LNC can turn into a
> > depth
> > charge that lasts for a decade.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> > <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am changing Region 1's vote to abstain.
> > I am continuing to think on this and hear back from more in my
> > region
> > before finalizing my decision. I am leaning toward voting no at
> > this
> > point but will cast a final ballot on Saturday with explanation
> > (our
> > deadline). Please continue discussion as all points are
> > relevant.
> > RTL
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:55 William Redpath via Lnc-business
> > <[1][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > I vote Yes. Bill Redpath
> > On 2018-07-09 13:47, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given the choice at
> > > convention just a few short days ago, I believe we should
> > respect
> > that
> > > decision.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joshua D. Smith
> > >
> > > On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
> > LNC-Business
> > >> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> > Co-Sponsors:
> > >> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn
> > Motion:
> > Move
> > >> that
> > >> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the
> > election
> > of
> > the
> > >> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year term:
> > D.
> > Frank
> > >> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
> > Geoff
> > Neale,
> > >> Jim
> > >> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of the
> > Secretary's
> > >> manual tally of votes here:
> >
> > [1][2][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > >> --
> > >> --
> > >> In Liberty,
> > >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> > >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > >> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> > Wyoming,
> > >> Washington)
> > >> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> > >> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of
> > Colorado
> > >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > >> We defend your rights
> > >> And oppose the use of force
> > >> Taxation is theft
> > >>
> > >> References
> > >>
> > >> 1. [3][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > >> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > >> 3. [5][6]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. [8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >
> > 3. [9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 5. [11]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 6. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 11. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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The ballot would be a second ballot as we already had a first.
This issue goes beyond member preference and into member rights which
cannot be waived by a majority informally.
It is one of the few instances where professional parliamentary advice
should be sought.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:14 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
I'd like to remind new members to listen to your constituency. If
you're
a Region Rep, that means your regional members, state affiliate
officers, etc. For At-Large, that means *all* the LP members are
your
constituency, so a broad spectrum feedback might give you
information on
what the LP body wishes.
Also, I'll say that some of the feedback I'm getting from Region 3
says
that they'd be fine with *no* Judicial Committee. This feedback
came
from a State Chair and a State VC, in Region 3, and officers of two
other state affiliates in the region. The 'no Judicial Committee"
option, means we just don't have a JC, and then in 2020, during a
regular convention, the delegate body elects a new Judicial
Committee.
NO ONE has suggested that the LNC conduct a mail ballot of the
former
delegates at the convention, and I'd also be against that method, as
that *would* be the LNC trying to orchestrate an outcome, as we
already
had a delegate vote regarding the JC. That would be the LNC
disregarding the delegate body and votes that we all saw happen at
convention. The way to respect the delegate body, is to either
approve
the top seven JC candidates, or have no JC until the 2020 convention
can
elect that committee. The former would be giving voice to the
delegate
body, and the latter would also be giving voice, while recognizing
that
the delegate voting procedure didn't finalize a committee.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[2]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2018-07-10 20:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> And I remind everyone, particularly the new members, this is
ultimately
> a parliamentary question not a popularity one. And I urge you
to
> avail
> yourselves of the opportunity to speak with the convention
> parliamentarian on this issue.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you for considering my points Richard. I am coming at
this
> also
> from a keen awareness of how awry things like this can go. One
> small
> well-intentioned expediency on the part the LNC can turn into a
> depth
> charge that lasts for a decade.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I am changing Region 1's vote to abstain.
> I am continuing to think on this and hear back from more
in my
> region
> before finalizing my decision. I am leaning toward voting
no at
> this
> point but will cast a final ballot on Saturday with
explanation
> (our
> deadline). Please continue discussion as all points are
> relevant.
> RTL
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:55 William Redpath via Lnc-business
> <[1][3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I vote Yes. Bill Redpath
> On 2018-07-09 13:47, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
wrote:
> > I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given the
choice at
> > convention just a few short days ago, I believe we
should
> respect
> that
> > decision.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joshua D. Smith
> >
> > On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
> >> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
> LNC-Business
> >> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> Co-Sponsors:
> >> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn
> Motion:
> Move
> >> that
> >> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the
> election
> of
> the
> >> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year
term:
> D.
> Frank
> >> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
> Geoff
> Neale,
> >> Jim
> >> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of
the
> Secretary's
> >> manual tally of votes here:
>
> [1][2][4][6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
Committee
> (Alaska,
> >> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming,
> >> Washington)
> >> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of
> Colorado
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. [3][5][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 3. [5][6][8]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> References
> 1. mailto:[7][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [8][10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>
> 3. [9][11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. [11][12]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [12]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[13]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. [17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. [18]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 7. mailto:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. [20]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 9. [21]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 11. [23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [26]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
13. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
17. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
18. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
20. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
21. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
22. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
24. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
25. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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