[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 00:53:44 EDT 2018
A reluctance to consult with a parliamentarian on a parliamentary issue is
quite baffling. Parliamentary questions are not settled by popular vote.
That is certainly part of the equation but just like medical opinions are
not only patient perceptions but professional advice. This is a similar
question.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:11 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> That is exactly what I have been doing, polling my region, discussing
> their points and even helping provide the arguments against made by
> others, and telling them that in this matter if they wanted me to
> change my vote I absolutely would.
> So far the response is unanimously in favor of this motion, with the
> only corollary being that we get it done then fix the broken system.
> Which several have volunteered to serve on committees to help with.
> Now unless the people in my region swamp me with requests to change my
> vote, I will be withdrawing myself from this pointless retreading of
> the same arguments. I have better things to do, like discuss actual
> fixes so the clusterf*** does not happen again.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2018 10:14 PM
> To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION
> OF JC
> I'd like to remind new members to listen to your constituency. If you're
> a Region Rep, that means your regional members, state affiliate
> officers, etc. For At-Large, that means *all* the LP members are your
> constituency, so a broad spectrum feedback might give you information on
> what the LP body wishes.
>
> Also, I'll say that some of the feedback I'm getting from Region 3 says
> that they'd be fine with *no* Judicial Committee. This feedback came
> from a State Chair and a State VC, in Region 3, and officers of two
> other state affiliates in the region. The 'no Judicial Committee"
> option, means we just don't have a JC, and then in 2020, during a
> regular convention, the delegate body elects a new Judicial Committee.
>
> NO ONE has suggested that the LNC conduct a mail ballot of the former
> delegates at the convention, and I'd also be against that method, as
> that *would* be the LNC trying to orchestrate an outcome, as we already
> had a delegate vote regarding the JC. That would be the LNC
> disregarding the delegate body and votes that we all saw happen at
> convention. The way to respect the delegate body, is to either approve
> the top seven JC candidates, or have no JC until the 2020 convention can
> elect that committee. The former would be giving voice to the delegate
> body, and the latter would also be giving voice, while recognizing that
> the delegate voting procedure didn't finalize a committee.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> LP Social Media Process Review Committee
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> [3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>
>
> On [4]2018-07-10 20:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > And I remind everyone, particularly the new members, this is ultimately
> > a parliamentary question not a popularity one. And I urge you to
> > avail
> > yourselves of the opportunity to speak with the convention
> > parliamentarian on this issue.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1[5]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for considering my points Richard. I am coming at this
> > also
> > from a keen awareness of how awry things like this can go. One
> > small
> > well-intentioned expediency on the part the LNC can turn into a
> > depth
> > charge that lasts for a decade.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
> > <[2[6]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am changing Region 1's vote to abstain.
> > I am continuing to think on this and hear back from more in my
> > region
> > before finalizing my decision. I am leaning toward voting no at
> > this
> > point but will cast a final ballot on Saturday with explanation
> > (our
> > deadline). Please continue discussion as all points are
> > relevant.
> > RTL
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:55 William Redpath via Lnc-business
> > <[1][3[7]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > I vote Yes. Bill Redpath
> > On [8]2018-07-09 13:47, [9]joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> > > I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given the choice at
> > > convention just a few short days ago, I believe we should
> > respect
> > that
> > > decision.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joshua D. Smith
> > >
> > > On [10]2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
> > LNC-Business
> > >> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> > Co-Sponsors:
> > >> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn
> > Motion:
> > Move
> > >> that
> > >> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the
> > election
> > of
> > the
> > >> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year term:
> > D.
> > Frank
> > >> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
> > Geoff
> > Neale,
> > >> Jim
> > >> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of the
> > Secretary's
> > >> manual tally of votes here:
> >
> > [1][2][4][11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > >> --
> > >> --
> > >> In Liberty,
> > >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> > >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > (Alaska,
> > >> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> > Wyoming,
> > >> Washington)
> > >> - [2][12]Caryn.Ann.[13] Harlos at LP.org
> > >> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of
> > Colorado
> > >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> > >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > >> We defend your rights
> > >> And oppose the use of force
> > >> Taxation is theft
> > >>
> > >> References
> > >>
> > >> 1. [3][5][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > >> 2. mailto:[4[15]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > >> 3. [5][6][16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[7[17]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. [8][18]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >
> > 3. [9][19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 4. mailto:[10[20]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 5. [11][21]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [12][22]Caryn.Ann.[23] Harlos at LP.org or[24] Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[25] LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [13][26]Caryn.Ann.[27] Harlos at LP.org or[28] Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[29] LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto[30]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 2. mailto[31]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. mailto[32]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 4. [33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 5. [34]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 6. [35]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 7. mailto[36]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 8. [37]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 9. [38]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 10. mailto[39]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 11. [40]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> > 12. mailto[41]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 13. mailto[42]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:217-412-5973
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 4. tel:2018-07-10 20
> 5. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 6. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 7. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. tel:2018-07-09 13
> 9. http://joshua.sm/
> 10. tel:2018-07-07 22
> 11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 12. http://Caryn.An/
> 13. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 15. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 17. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 20. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 21. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 22. http://Caryn.An/
> 23. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 24. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 25. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 26. http://Caryn.An/
> 27. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 28. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 29. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 30. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 31. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 32. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 34. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 35. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 36. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 37. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 38. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 39. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 40. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 41. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 42. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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A reluctance to consult with a parliamentarian on a parliamentary issue
is quite baffling. Parliamentary questions are not settled by popular
vote. That is certainly part of the equation but just like medical
opinions are not only patient perceptions but professional advice. This
is a similar question.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:11 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
That is exactly what I have been doing, polling my region,
discussing
their points and even helping provide the arguments against made
by
others, and telling them that in this matter if they wanted me to
change my vote I absolutely would.
So far the response is unanimously in favor of this motion, with
the
only corollary being that we get it done then fix the broken
system.
Which several have volunteered to serve on committees to help
with.
Now unless the people in my region swamp me with requests to
change my
vote, I will be withdrawing myself from this pointless retreading
of
the same arguments. I have better things to do, like discuss
actual
fixes so the clusterf*** does not happen again.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2018 10:14 PM
To: [2][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE
ELECTION
OF JC
I'd like to remind new members to listen to your constituency. If
you're
a Region Rep, that means your regional members, state affiliate
officers, etc. For At-Large, that means *all* the LP members are your
constituency, so a broad spectrum feedback might give you information
on
what the LP body wishes.
Also, I'll say that some of the feedback I'm getting from Region 3 says
that they'd be fine with *no* Judicial Committee. This feedback came
from a State Chair and a State VC, in Region 3, and officers of two
other state affiliates in the region. The 'no Judicial Committee"
option, means we just don't have a JC, and then in 2020, during a
regular convention, the delegate body elects a new Judicial Committee.
NO ONE has suggested that the LNC conduct a mail ballot of the former
delegates at the convention, and I'd also be against that method, as
that *would* be the LNC trying to orchestrate an outcome, as we already
had a delegate vote regarding the JC. That would be the LNC
disregarding the delegate body and votes that we all saw happen at
convention. The way to respect the delegate body, is to either approve
the top seven JC candidates, or have no JC until the 2020 convention
can
elect that committee. The former would be giving voice to the delegate
body, and the latter would also be giving voice, while recognizing that
the delegate voting procedure didn't finalize a committee.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
LP Social Media Process Review Committee
Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
[3][3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On [4]2018-07-10 20:21, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> And I remind everyone, particularly the new members, this is
ultimately
> a parliamentary question not a popularity one. And I urge you
to
> avail
> yourselves of the opportunity to speak with the convention
> parliamentarian on this issue.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1[5]][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you for considering my points Richard. I am coming at
this
> also
> from a keen awareness of how awry things like this can go. One
> small
> well-intentioned expediency on the part the LNC can turn into a
> depth
> charge that lasts for a decade.
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2[6]][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I am changing Region 1's vote to abstain.
> I am continuing to think on this and hear back from more
in my
> region
> before finalizing my decision. I am leaning toward voting
no at
> this
> point but will cast a final ballot on Saturday with
explanation
> (our
> deadline). Please continue discussion as all points are
> relevant.
> RTL
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 11:55 William Redpath via Lnc-business
> <[1][3[7]][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I vote Yes. Bill Redpath
> On [8]2018-07-09 13:47, [9]joshua.smith--- via
Lnc-business wrote:
> > I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given the
choice at
> > convention just a few short days ago, I believe we
should
> respect
> that
> > decision.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joshua D. Smith
> >
> > On [10]2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business wrote:
> >> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
> LNC-Business
> >> list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> Co-Sponsors:
> >> Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced, Van Horn
> Motion:
> Move
> >> that
> >> the Libertarian National Committee acknowledge the
> election
> of
> the
> >> following to the Judicial Committee for a four-year
term:
> D.
> Frank
> >> Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth Bennett,
> Geoff
> Neale,
> >> Jim
> >> Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep track of
the
> Secretary's
> >> manual tally of votes here:
>
> [1][2][4][11][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
Committee
> (Alaska,
> >> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming,
> >> Washington)
> >> - [2][12]Caryn.Ann.[13] Harlos at LP.org
> >> Communications Director, [3]Libertarian Party of
> Colorado
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. [3][5][14][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 2. mailto:[4[15]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 3. [5][6][16][9]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> References
> 1. mailto:[7[17]][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [8][18][11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>
> 3. [9][19][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 4. mailto:[10[20]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. [11][21][13]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [12][22]Caryn.Ann.[23] Harlos at LP.org or[24] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[25] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [13][26]Caryn.Ann.[27] Harlos at LP.org or[28] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[29] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto[30]:[14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto[31]:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto[32]:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [33][17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. [34][18]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. [35][19]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 7. mailto[36]:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 8. [37][21]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 9. [38][22]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 10. mailto[39]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 11. [40][23]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> 12. mailto[41]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 13. mailto[42]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:[24]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. [25]http://www.lpcaucus.org/
4. tel:2018-07-10 20
5. mailto:][26]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
6. mailto:][27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:][28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. tel:2018-07-09 13
9. [29]http://joshua.sm/
10. tel:2018-07-07 22
11. [30]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. [31]http://Caryn.An/
13. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
14. [32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
15. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
16. [33]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
17. mailto:][34]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
18. [35]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
19. [36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
20. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
21. [37]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
22. [38]http://Caryn.An/
23. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
24. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
25. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
26. [39]http://Caryn.An/
27. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
28. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
29. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
30. mailto::[40]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
31. mailto::[41]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
32. mailto::[42]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
33. [43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
34. [44]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
35. [45]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
36. mailto::[46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
37. [47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
38. [48]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
39. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
40. [49]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
41. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
42. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [50]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
9. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
13. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
19. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
21. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
23. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
24. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
25. http://www.lpcaucus.org/
26. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
29. http://joshua.sm/
30. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
31. http://Caryn.An/
32. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
33. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
34. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
35. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
37. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
38. http://Caryn.An/
39. http://Caryn.An/
40. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
41. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
42. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
43. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
44. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
45. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
46. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
48. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
49. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
50. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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