[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-11: ACKNOWLEDGE ELECTION OF JC
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Jul 11 10:34:40 EDT 2018
I agree Erin.
And I am getting more rankled that my reasonably pointing out that an
independent audit is needed led to an attack on my motives because I won my
race.
I’m not sorry for winning and I won’t be attacked for asking reasonable
questions.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:24 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not true that "
> There is nothing we can do about it
> at this point except live with it the best we can for two years." and
> honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from some in an
> attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle up folks, if
> this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of you will hate me
> the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be dismissed and
> silenced.
>
>
> On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Caryn Ann,
> >
> > We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections went awry.
> > There is nothing we can do about it
> > at this point except live with it the best we can for two years. We
> > will have a fix in place before the
> > convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the delegates and
> > made effective immediately.
> >
> > At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot thread
> > which is supposed to just be for recording
> > votes on the motion.
> >
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> > On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
> >> I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am supposed to
> >> NOT
> >> yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business
> >> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the choir becomes
> >> counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all aware that it
> >> sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that will make
> >> everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it, and fix it
> >> yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's points, and
> >> yours.
> >> Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it up 5 times
> >> a
> >> day. Stopping multiple times to read the same arguments takes
> >> away
> >> time from working on fixing it, and promoting the party in other
> >> ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us up
> >> continually
> >> on a point we 90% or more agree on IS counterproductive. Let's
> >> move
> >> on and FIX IT.
> >> Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let this crap
> >> happen again.
> >> John Phillips
> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> Cell 217-412-5973
> >>
> >> On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>
> >> Looking out for the membership and delegates is nothing to be
> >> quiet
> >> about. I personally hope it is brought up at least once a week
> >> until
> >> solutions are in place to prevent it from ever happening again.
> >> Respectfully,
> >> Craig Bowden
> >> Region 1 Alternate
> >> On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>
> >> I respectfully decline.
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
> >> <[1][2]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> Caryn Ann,
> >> Just shut up about this already!
> >> Respectfully,
> >> ---
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >> On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put something
> >> together
> >> to try
> >> to convince you that this is actually one of the worst ways
> >> to
> >> solve.
> >> My first issue - that of steering the delegates down that
> >> road
> >> with
> >> at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in any way that
> >> we
> >> would
> >> ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it all back to
> >> the
> >> delegates.
> >> The second issue - of how to handle this situation with the
> >> JC
> >> -
> >> well
> >> we are trying to solve it now and I think we are solving it
> >> wrong
> >> both
> >> ethically and procedurally.
> >> And a remaining issue - is one where me and RONR come into
> >> conflict.
> >> Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows something
> >> doesn't
> >> mean
> >> it
> >> is right, and this is probably why the first issue is
> >> sticking
> >> in my
> >> craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT to change the
> >> rules of
> >> an
> >> election mid-way. There is a huge difference between
> >> majority
> >> and
> >> plurality and our candidates deserve to know as it effects
> >> the
> >> way
> >> they
> >> campaign. We treated them and their efforts as pawns, and
> >> it
> >> isn't
> >> right.
> >> I know some of you are thinking, just shut up about this
> >> already.
> >> Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this is one of
> >> them.
> >> Just
> >> like it was with the eternal secrecy clause last term.
> >> The only way we are going to learn as an organization is if
> >> this is
> >> a
> >> bit painful. And in so doing we will model over-the-top
> >> integrity
> >> to
> >> our members rather than political expediency.
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> <[1][2][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >> ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get the
> >> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that hundreds
> >> of
> >> delegates
> >> didn't even vote in the two races because we put them off
> >> so
> >> long.
> >> In
> >> the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast votes in the
> >> At-Large
> >> and
> >> JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won by those who
> >> stay and
> >> vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The combination of
> >> voting
> >> methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling left us in a
> >> bad
> >> place.===
> >> You mean we ran in front of a racing car and now are
> >> surprised
> >> we
> >> got
> >> ran over?
> >> But it is more than that. The delegates were led to make a
> >> decision
> >> in
> >> a certain direction. There WERE other options. Whether or
> >> not one
> >> agrees with the voting methodology, it is the methodology
> >> and
> >> its
> >> intent was to use approval voting to show approval and we
> >> turned it
> >> on
> >> its head. Why weren't the delegates given other options?
> >> ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
> >> complain.
> >> As far
> >> as
> >> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
> >> reasonable.
> >> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all Party
> >> members or
> >> us
> >> filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in motion -
> >> are
> >> even
> >> more
> >> violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
> >> Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think my very
> >> real
> >> complaint
> >> of how the delegates were steered in a certain direction is
> >> being
> >> ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
> >> ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
> >> legality:
> >> the
> >> delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
> >> candidates
> >> and
> >> the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's also no
> >> doubt in
> >> my
> >> mind that had they been asked they would have done the same
> >> for the
> >> JC.
> >> A room of several hundred Libertarians were not coerced
> >> into
> >> doing
> >> that
> >> - they went with what Nick suggested because that's what
> >> they
> >> wanted
> >> to
> >> do. He just told them how.===
> >> And that is where the dispute is. Most of the people there
> >> trusted
> >> us
> >> (I use us as Nick was acting as the spokesperson of the LNC
> >> and this
> >> isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them what they
> >> wanted.
> >> They
> >> were presented with two choices in which they were led down
> >> a
> >> particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you know exactly
> >> what I
> >> am
> >> getting at here.
> >> Do you really think that if they were offered a majority
> >> rising vote
> >> on
> >> the spot to choose between options they would not have
> >> taken
> >> that?
> >> It
> >> never ocurred to most of them that there WERE any other
> >> options. It
> >> didn't immediately occur to me and I am well-versed in this
> >> stuff.
> >> It
> >> stinks. If a government acted this way we would be all
> >> lathered up.
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >> <[2][3][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> >> I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do get the
> >> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that hundreds
> >> of
> >> delegates didn't even vote in the two races because we
> >> put
> >> them
> >> off
> >> so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast
> >> votes in
> >> the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules - elections
> >> are
> >> won by
> >> those who stay and vote - but oh my did we make it hard.
> >> The
> >> combination of voting methodology, tabulation method, and
> >> scheduling
> >> left us in a bad place.
> >> All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
> >> complain.
> >> As far
> >> as
> >> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
> >> reasonable.
> >> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all Party
> >> members
> >> or
> >> us filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in motion
> >> -
> >> are
> >> even
> >> more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
> >> I do not dispute that one can reasonably argue that every
> >> JC
> >> candidate was disapproved and that it should sit empty
> >> until
> >> 2022.
> >> The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
> >> legality:
> >> the
> >> delegates expressed their wish to take the top at-large
> >> candidates
> >> and the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's
> >> also
> >> no
> >> doubt in my mind that had they been asked they would have
> >> done the
> >> same for the JC. A room of several hundred Libertarians
> >> were
> >> not
> >> coerced into doing that - they went with what Nick
> >> suggested
> >> because
> >> that's what they wanted to do. He just told them how.
> >> They
> >> didn't
> >> want the LNC fighting over who would fill the seats if
> >> they
> >> were
> >> left vacant.
> >> I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did want to write
> >> this to
> >> emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or sweeping
> >> anything
> >> blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking how we do
> >> elections
> >> will
> >> be a big priority for many of us.
> >> JBH
> >> On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >> wrote:
> >> Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there is
> >> no
> >> way
> >> around
> >> the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
> >> This is taking things to an even deeper level of
> >> improper. I
> >> object to
> >> the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the
> >> delegates
> >> made an
> >> independent choice and now to just infer this upon
> >> that
> >> is two
> >> bridges
> >> too far.
> >> This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of sweeping
> >> it
> >> under
> >> the rug.
> >> It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole
> >> situation
> >> is
> >> being
> >> taken.
> >> There are people looking at us and seeing nothing
> >> different
> >> than
> >> the
> >> government we wish to reform.
> >> There was a controversial election and at least one
> >> state
> >> chair
> >> and
> >> candidate has been asking for the state by state
> >> rallies
> >> with
> >> no
> >> time
> >> frame given him.
> >> The whole thing was an affront to people expecting an
> >> entirely
> >> different thing when they ran. I will not be sanguine
> >> about
> >> it.
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >> <[1][3][4][5]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
> >> This point did come up immediately after
> >> adjournment,
> >> while
> >> Nick
> >> was
> >> still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it up,
> >> but
> >> the
> >> statement
> >> was made that it would follow the same procedure as
> >> At-Large
> >> at
> >> that
> >> point, since we were no longer in session.
> >> No one raised the question prior to that.
> >> Whitney Bilyeu
> >> Region 7 Representative
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >> Lnc-business
> >> <[2][4][5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> Joshua they were not given a choice on this.
> >> The
> >> JC
> >> never
> >> came
> >> up.
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
> >> <[1][3][5][6][7]joshua.smith at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> I vote yes. Given that the delegates were given
> >> the
> >> choice
> >> at
> >> convention
> >> just a few short days ago, I believe we should
> >> respect
> >> that
> >> decision.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Joshua D. Smith
> >> On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >> Lnc-business
> >> wrote:
> >> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are
> >> due
> >> to the
> >> LNC-Business
> >> > list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
> >> time.
> >> Co-Sponsors:
> >> > Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Merced,
> >> Van
> >> Horn
> >> Motion:
> >> Move
> >> > that
> >> > the Libertarian National Committee
> >> acknowledge
> >> the
> >> election of
> >> the
> >> > following to the Judicial Committee for a
> >> four-year
> >> term:
> >> D.
> >> Frank
> >> > Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth
> >> Bennett,
> >> Geoff
> >> Neale,
> >> > Jim
> >> > Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can keep
> >> track
> >> of
> >> the
> >> Secretary's
> >> > manual tally of votes here:
> >> [1][2][4][6][7][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> > --
> >> > --
> >> > In Liberty,
> >> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
> >> National
> >> Committee
> >> (Alaska,
> >> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
> >> Montana,
> >> Utah,
> >> Wyoming,
> >> > Washington)
> >> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >> > Communications Director, [3]Libertarian
> >> Party of
> >> Colorado
> >> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> >> Committee
> >> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> > We defend your rights
> >> > And oppose the use of force
> >> > Taxation is theft
> >> >
> >> > References
> >> >
> >> > 1. [3][5][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.co
> >> m/lncvoting
> >> > 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> > 3. [5][6][8][9][10]http://www.lpcolor
> >> ado.org/
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
> >> Committee
> >> Secretary
> >> - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
> >> Secretary at LP.org.
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> >> LPedia at LP.org
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >> References
> >> 1. mailto:[7][9][10][11]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 2. [8][10][11][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 3. [9][11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 5. [11][12][13][14]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> >> Secretary
> >> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> >> LPedia at LP.org
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >> References
> >> 1. mailto:[13][14][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 2. mailto:[14][15][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 3. mailto:[15][16][17]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 4. [16][17][18]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 5. [17][18][19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 6. [18][19][20]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 7. mailto:[19][20][21]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 8. [20][21][22]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 9. [21][22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 11. [23][23][24]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> --
> >> JBH
> >> ------------
> >> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >> LNC Member (At-Large)
> >> [26][24][25]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> [27][25][26]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> >> Secretary
> >> - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> >> LPedia at LP.org
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> >> Secretary
> >> - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> >> LPedia at LP.org
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >> References
> >> 1. mailto:[26][27]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 2. mailto:[27][28]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 3. mailto:[28][29]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 4. mailto:[29][30]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 5. mailto:[30][31]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 6. [31][32]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 7. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 8. [33][34]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 9. mailto:[34][35]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 10. [35][36]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 11. [36][37]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 12. [37][38]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 13. mailto:[38][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 14. mailto:[39][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 15. mailto:[40][41]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 16. [41][42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 17. [42][43]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 18. [43][44]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 19. mailto:[44][45]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 20. [45][46]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 21. [46][47]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 23. [48][48]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 26. mailto:[51][49]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 27. [52][50]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >> - [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >> References
> >> 1. mailto:[51]sam.goldstein at lp.org
> >> 2. mailto:[52]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 3. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 4. mailto:[54]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 5. mailto:[55]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 6. mailto:[56]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 7. [57]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 8. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 9. [59]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 10. mailto:[60]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 11. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 12. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 13. [63]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 14. mailto:[64]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 15. mailto:[65]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 16. mailto:[66]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 17. [67]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 18. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 19. [69]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 20. mailto:[70]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 21. [71]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 22. [72]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 23. [73]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 24. mailto:[74]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 25. [75]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 26. mailto:[76]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 27. mailto:[77]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 28. mailto:[78]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 29. mailto:[79]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 30. mailto:[80]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 31. [81]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 32. [82]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 33. [83]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 34. mailto:[84]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 35. [85]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 36. [86]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 37. [87]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 38. mailto:[88]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 39. mailto:[89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 40. mailto:[90]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 41. [91]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 42. [92]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 43. [93]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 44. mailto:[94]joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 45. [95]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 46. [96]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 48. [98]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 51. mailto:[101]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 52. [102]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> In Liberty,
> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >> - [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >> We defend your rights
> >> And oppose the use of force
> >> Taxation is theft
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 2. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
> >> 3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 5. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 7. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 10. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 11. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 14. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 15. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 17. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 18. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 20. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 21. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 24. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 25. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 27. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 28. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 29. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 30. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 31. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 32. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 34. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 35. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 36. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 37. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 38. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 39. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 41. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 43. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 44. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 45. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 46. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 47. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 48. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 49. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 50. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 51. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
> >> 52. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 54. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 55. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 56. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 57. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 59. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 60. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 63. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 64. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 65. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 66. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 67. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 69. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 70. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 71. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 72. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 73. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 74. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 75. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 76. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >> 77. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 78. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 79. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 80. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 81. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 82. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 83. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 84. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 85. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 86. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 87. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 88. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >> 89. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> 90. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 91. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 92. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 93. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 94. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
> >> 95. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 96. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >> 97. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 98. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
> >> 99. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 100. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 101. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >> 102. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >> 103. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 104. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 105. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >> 106. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I agree Erin.
And I am getting more rankled that my reasonably pointing out that an
independent audit is needed led to an attack on my motives because I
won my race.
I’m not sorry for winning and I won’t be attacked for asking reasonable
questions.
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:24 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
With all due respect Sam, that simply isnt true. It is not true that
"
There is nothing we can do about it
at this point except live with it the best we can for two years."
and
honestly, Im sickened by the tactics Im seeing here from some in an
attempt to FURTHER silence others. Its vile at best. Buckle up
folks, if
this is the tone that sets the way for THIS lnc,Many of you will
hate me
the end of this term. Alternate or not I WILL NOT be dismissed and
silenced.
On 2018-07-09 20:09, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> Caryn Ann,
>
> We all acknowledge that the LNC At Large and JC elections went
awry.
> There is nothing we can do about it
> at this point except live with it the best we can for two years.
We
> will have a fix in place before the
> convention convenes at Austin that can be passed by the delegates
and
> made effective immediately.
>
> At the very least, take the discussion off the email ballot thread
> which is supposed to just be for recording
> votes on the motion.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-07-09 20:55, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Oh my goodness. I am sorry but this is beyond belief.
>> I think our elections were handled wrongfully and I am
supposed to
>> NOT
>> yell it from the rooftops? What Party am I in again?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business
>> <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, to a point. At some time, preaching to the choir
becomes
>> counter productive. As noted earlier, we are all aware that
it
>> sucked, and is a bad situation with no easy fix that will
make
>> everyone happy immediately. We all want to fix it, and fix
it
>> yesterday. I even agree with all of Caryn Ann's points, and
>> yours.
>> Bring it up once a week. Absolutely. Don't bring it up 5
times
>> a
>> day. Stopping multiple times to read the same arguments
takes
>> away
>> time from working on fixing it, and promoting the party in
other
>> ways. I love the passion, I really do, but beating us up
>> continually
>> on a point we 90% or more agree on IS counterproductive.
Let's
>> move
>> on and FIX IT.
>> Don't shut up, but let's be productive, let's not let this
crap
>> happen again.
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On 7/9/2018 7:39 PM, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> Looking out for the membership and delegates is nothing to
be
>> quiet
>> about. I personally hope it is brought up at least once a
week
>> until
>> solutions are in place to prevent it from ever happening
again.
>> Respectfully,
>> Craig Bowden
>> Region 1 Alternate
>> On 2018-07-09 18:33, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
>>
>> I respectfully decline.
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Sam Goldstein
>> <[1][2][3]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> Caryn Ann,
>> Just shut up about this already!
>> Respectfully,
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>> On 2018-07-09 18:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
>> PS: Before this vote ends, I am going to put something
>> together
>> to try
>> to convince you that this is actually one of the worst
ways
>> to
>> solve.
>> My first issue - that of steering the delegates down
that
>> road
>> with
>> at-large is unsolvable- at least unsolvable in any way
that
>> we
>> would
>> ever do. If it were up to me, I would punt it all
back to
>> the
>> delegates.
>> The second issue - of how to handle this situation
with the
>> JC
>> -
>> well
>> we are trying to solve it now and I think we are
solving it
>> wrong
>> both
>> ethically and procedurally.
>> And a remaining issue - is one where me and RONR come
into
>> conflict.
>> Rules are tools. Just because a rule allows something
>> doesn't
>> mean
>> it
>> is right, and this is probably why the first issue is
>> sticking
>> in my
>> craw so badly. It is fundamentally NOT RIGHT to
change the
>> rules of
>> an
>> election mid-way. There is a huge difference between
>> majority
>> and
>> plurality and our candidates deserve to know as it
effects
>> the
>> way
>> they
>> campaign. We treated them and their efforts as pawns,
and
>> it
>> isn't
>> right.
>> I know some of you are thinking, just shut up about
this
>> already.
>> Well, I am a hard-nose on some things, and this is one
of
>> them.
>> Just
>> like it was with the eternal secrecy clause last term.
>> The only way we are going to learn as an organization
is if
>> this is
>> a
>> bit painful. And in so doing we will model
over-the-top
>> integrity
>> to
>> our members rather than political expediency.
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[1][2][3][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> ==I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do
get the
>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
hundreds
>> of
>> delegates
>> didn't even vote in the two races because we put them
off
>> so
>> long.
>> In
>> the 2016 convention, whole states didn't cast votes in
the
>> At-Large
>> and
>> JC races. Them's the rules - elections are won by
those who
>> stay and
>> vote - but oh my did we make it hard. The combination
of
>> voting
>> methodology, tabulation method, and scheduling left us
in a
>> bad
>> place.===
>> You mean we ran in front of a racing car and now are
>> surprised
>> we
>> got
>> ran over?
>> But it is more than that. The delegates were led to
make a
>> decision
>> in
>> a certain direction. There WERE other options.
Whether or
>> not one
>> agrees with the voting methodology, it is the
methodology
>> and
>> its
>> intent was to use approval voting to show approval and
we
>> turned it
>> on
>> its head. Why weren't the delegates given other
options?
>> ==All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>> complain.
>> As far
>> as
>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the most
>> reasonable.
>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all
Party
>> members or
>> us
>> filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in motion
-
>> are
>> even
>> more
>> violative of the Bylaws and Rules.==
>> Are they all? I don't think so. And I do think my
very
>> real
>> complaint
>> of how the delegates were steered in a certain
direction is
>> being
>> ignored at best (or maligned at worst).
>> ==The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
>> legality:
>> the
>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top
at-large
>> candidates
>> and
>> the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC. There's
also no
>> doubt in
>> my
>> mind that had they been asked they would have done the
same
>> for the
>> JC.
>> A room of several hundred Libertarians were not
coerced
>> into
>> doing
>> that
>> - they went with what Nick suggested because that's
what
>> they
>> wanted
>> to
>> do. He just told them how.===
>> And that is where the dispute is. Most of the people
there
>> trusted
>> us
>> (I use us as Nick was acting as the spokesperson of
the LNC
>> and this
>> isn't about Nick ultimately) not to tell them what
they
>> wanted.
>> They
>> were presented with two choices in which they were led
down
>> a
>> particular path. You are an attorney Joe, you know
exactly
>> what I
>> am
>> getting at here.
>> Do you really think that if they were offered a
majority
>> rising vote
>> on
>> the spot to choose between options they would not have
>> taken
>> that?
>> It
>> never ocurred to most of them that there WERE any
other
>> options. It
>> didn't immediately occur to me and I am well-versed in
this
>> stuff.
>> It
>> stinks. If a government acted this way we would be
all
>> lathered up.
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> <[2][3][4][5]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>> I get the anger. I'm angry. When we ultimately do
get the
>> state-by-state tallies, I'm sure we'll find that
hundreds
>> of
>> delegates didn't even vote in the two races because
we
>> put
>> them
>> off
>> so long. In the 2016 convention, whole states didn't
cast
>> votes in
>> the At-Large and JC races. Them's the rules -
elections
>> are
>> won by
>> those who stay and vote - but oh my did we make it
hard.
>> The
>> combination of voting methodology, tabulation
method, and
>> scheduling
>> left us in a bad place.
>> All that said, I don't want to just be angry and
>> complain.
>> As far
>> as
>> actions that can be taken, this resolution is the
most
>> reasonable.
>> Other possibilities - revotes or mail votes of all
Party
>> members
>> or
>> us filling the JC seats or setting multiple JCs in
motion
>> -
>> are
>> even
>> more violative of the Bylaws and Rules.
>> I do not dispute that one can reasonably argue that
every
>> JC
>> candidate was disapproved and that it should sit
empty
>> until
>> 2022.
>> The contrary view admittedly rests on a thread of
>> legality:
>> the
>> delegates expressed their wish to take the top
at-large
>> candidates
>> and the Bylaws say the same applies for the JC.
There's
>> also
>> no
>> doubt in my mind that had they been asked they would
have
>> done the
>> same for the JC. A room of several hundred
Libertarians
>> were
>> not
>> coerced into doing that - they went with what Nick
>> suggested
>> because
>> that's what they wanted to do. He just told them
how.
>> They
>> didn't
>> want the LNC fighting over who would fill the seats
if
>> they
>> were
>> left vacant.
>> I doubt I'm going to convince you but I did want to
write
>> this to
>> emphasize that at least I am not sanguine or
sweeping
>> anything
>> blithely under the rug. I expect rethinking how we
do
>> elections
>> will
>> be a big priority for many of us.
>> JBH
>> On 2018-07-09 16:46, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> Suspension of the rules has to be specific and there
is
>> no
>> way
>> around
>> the fact that we used the number 5 over and over.
>> This is taking things to an even deeper level of
>> improper. I
>> object to
>> the whole at-Large process- I don’t think the
>> delegates
>> made an
>> independent choice and now to just infer this
upon
>> that
>> is two
>> bridges
>> too far.
>> This is a big screwup and I won’t be part of
sweeping
>> it
>> under
>> the rug.
>> It alarms me to no end how blithely the whole
>> situation
>> is
>> being
>> taken.
>> There are people looking at us and seeing nothing
>> different
>> than
>> the
>> government we wish to reform.
>> There was a controversial election and at least
one
>> state
>> chair
>> and
>> candidate has been asking for the state by state
>> rallies
>> with
>> no
>> time
>> frame given him.
>> The whole thing was an affront to people
expecting an
>> entirely
>> different thing when they ran. I will not be
sanguine
>> about
>> it.
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>> <[1][3][4][5][6]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>> This point did come up immediately after
>> adjournment,
>> while
>> Nick
>> was
>> still at the mic. I don't recall who brought it
up,
>> but
>> the
>> statement
>> was made that it would follow the same
procedure as
>> At-Large
>> at
>> that
>> point, since we were no longer in session.
>> No one raised the question prior to that.
>> Whitney Bilyeu
>> Region 7 Representative
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann
Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[2][4][5][6][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Joshua they were not given a choice on
this.
>> The
>> JC
>> never
>> came
>> up.
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM
>> <[1][3][5][6][7][8]joshua.smith at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> I vote yes. Given that the delegates were
given
>> the
>> choice
>> at
>> convention
>> just a few short days ago, I believe we
should
>> respect
>> that
>> decision.
>> Thanks,
>> Joshua D. Smith
>> On 2018-07-07 22:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes
are
>> due
>> to the
>> LNC-Business
>> > list by July 14, 2018 at 11:59:59pm
Pacific
>> time.
>> Co-Sponsors:
>> > Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan,
Merced,
>> Van
>> Horn
>> Motion:
>> Move
>> > that
>> > the Libertarian National Committee
>> acknowledge
>> the
>> election of
>> the
>> > following to the Judicial Committee for
a
>> four-year
>> term:
>> D.
>> Frank
>> > Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
Ruth
>> Bennett,
>> Geoff
>> Neale,
>> > Jim
>> > Turney, and Tricia Sprankle. You can
keep
>> track
>> of
>> the
>> Secretary's
>> > manual tally of votes here:
>>
[1][2][4][6][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > --
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
>> National
>> Committee
>> (Alaska,
>> > Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>> Montana,
>> Utah,
>> Wyoming,
>> > Washington)
>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director,
[3]Libertarian
>> Party of
>> Colorado
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> > A haiku to the Statement of
Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1.
[3][5][7][8][9][10]https://tinyurl.co
>> m/lncvoting
>> > 2.
mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 3.
[5][6][8][9][10][11]http://www.lpcolor
>> [12]ado.org/
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>> Committee
>> Secretary
>> - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>> Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation
Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1.
mailto:[7][9][10][11][13]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 2.
[8][10][11][12][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 3.
[9][11][12][13][15]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 4. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 5.
[11][12][13][14][16]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
Committee
>> Secretary
>> - [13]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[13][14][15][17]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 2.
mailto:[14][15][16][18]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[15][16][17][19]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 4.
[16][17][18][20]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 5.
[17][18][19][21]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 6. [18][19][20][22]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 7. mailto:[19][20][21][23]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 8.
[20][21][22][24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 9.
[21][22][23][25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 10. mailto:[22]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 11. [23][23][24][26]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 12. mailto:[24]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 13. mailto:[25]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> JBH
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> [26][24][25][27]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>
[27][25][26][28]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> - [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[26][27][29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[27][28][30]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[28][29][31]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[29][30][32]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[30][31][33]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 6. [31][32][34]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 7. [32][33][35]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 8. [33][34][36]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 9. mailto:[34][35][37]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 10. [35][36][38]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 11. [36][37][39]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 12. [37][38][40]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 13. mailto:[38][39][41]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 14. mailto:[39][40][42]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 15. mailto:[40][41][43]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 16. [41][42][44]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 17. [42][43][45]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 18. [43][44][46]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 19. mailto:[44][45][47]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 20. [45][46][48]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 21. [46][47][49]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 22. mailto:[47]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 23. [48][48][50]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 24. mailto:[49]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 25. mailto:[50]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 26. mailto:[51][49][51]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 27.
[52][50][52]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 28. mailto:[53]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 29. mailto:[54]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
>> - [55]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[51][53]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[52][54]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[53][55]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[54][56]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[55][57]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:[56][58]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 7. [57][59]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 8. [58][60]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 9. [59][61]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 10. mailto:[60][62]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 11. [61][63]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 12. [62][64]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 13. [63][65]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 14. mailto:[64][66]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 15. mailto:[65][67]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 16. mailto:[66][68]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 17. [67][69]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 18. [68][70]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 19. [69][71]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 20. mailto:[70][72]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 21. [71][73]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 22. [72][74]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 23. [73][75]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 24. mailto:[74][76]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 25. [75][77]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 26. mailto:[76][78]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 27. mailto:[77][79]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 28. mailto:[78][80]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 29. mailto:[79][81]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 30. mailto:[80][82]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 31. [81][83]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 32. [82][84]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 33. [83][85]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 34. mailto:[84][86]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 35. [85][87]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 36. [86][88]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 37. [87][89]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 38. mailto:[88][90]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 39. mailto:[89][91]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 40. mailto:[90][92]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 41. [91][93]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 42. [92][94]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 43. [93][95]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 44. mailto:[94][96]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 45. [95][97]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 46. [96][98]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 47. mailto:[97]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 48. [98][99]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 49. mailto:[99]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 50. mailto:[100]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 51. mailto:[101][100]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 52.
[102][101]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 53. mailto:[103]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 54. mailto:[104]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 55. mailto:[105]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [106]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[102]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[103]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[104]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[105]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[106]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 6. mailto:[107]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. mailto:[108]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 8. [109]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 9. [110]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 10. [111]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 11. mailto:[112]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 12. [113]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 13. [114]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 14. [115]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 15. mailto:[116]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 16. mailto:[117]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 17. mailto:[118]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 18. [119]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 19. [120]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 20. [121]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 21. mailto:[122]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 22. [123]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 23. [124]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 24. [125]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 25. mailto:[126]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 26. [127]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 27. mailto:[128]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 28. mailto:[129]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 29. mailto:[130]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 30. mailto:[131]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 31. mailto:[132]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 32. [133]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 33. [134]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 34. [135]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 35. mailto:[136]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 36. [137]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 37. [138]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 38. [139]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 39. mailto:[140]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 40. mailto:[141]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 41. mailto:[142]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 42. [143]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 43. [144]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 44. [145]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 45. mailto:[146]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 46. [147]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 47. [148]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 48. [149]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 49. mailto:[150]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 50. [151]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 51. mailto:[152]sam.goldstein at lp.org
>> 52. mailto:[153]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 53. mailto:[154]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 54. mailto:[155]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 55. mailto:[156]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 56. mailto:[157]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 57. [158]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 58. [159]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 59. [160]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 60. mailto:[161]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 61. [162]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 62. [163]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 63. [164]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 64. mailto:[165]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 65. mailto:[166]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 66. mailto:[167]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 67. [168]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 68. [169]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 69. [170]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 70. mailto:[171]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 71. [172]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 72. [173]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 73. [174]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 74. mailto:[175]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 75. [176]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 76. mailto:[177]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 77. mailto:[178]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 78. mailto:[179]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 79. mailto:[180]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 80. mailto:[181]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 81. [182]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 82. [183]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 83. [184]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 84. mailto:[185]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 85. [186]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 86. [187]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 87. [188]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 88. mailto:[189]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 89. mailto:[190]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 90. mailto:[191]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 91. [192]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 92. [193]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 93. [194]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 94. mailto:[195]joshua.smith at lp.org
>> 95. [196]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 96. [197]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 97. mailto:[198]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 98. [199]http://www.lpcolorado.org/
>> 99. mailto:[200]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 100. mailto:[201]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 101. mailto:[202]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 102. [203]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 103. mailto:[204]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 104. mailto:[205]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 105. mailto:[206]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 106. mailto:[207]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [208]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
6. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
10. https://tinyurl.co/
11. http://www.lpcolor/
12. http://ado.org/
13. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
15. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
16. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
17. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
18. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
19. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
20. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
21. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
22. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
23. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
25. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
26. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
27. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
28. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
29. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
30. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
31. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
32. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
33. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
34. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
35. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
36. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
37. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
38. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
39. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
40. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
41. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
42. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
43. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
44. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
45. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
46. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
47. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
48. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
49. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
50. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
51. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
52. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
53. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
54. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
55. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
56. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
57. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
58. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
59. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
60. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
61. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
62. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
63. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
64. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
65. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
66. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
67. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
68. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
69. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
70. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
71. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
72. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
73. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
74. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
75. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
76. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
77. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
78. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
79. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
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81. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
82. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
83. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
84. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
85. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
86. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
87. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
88. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
89. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
90. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
91. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
92. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
93. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
94. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
95. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
96. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
97. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
98. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
99. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
100. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
101. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
102. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
103. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
104. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
105. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
106. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
107. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
108. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
109. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
110. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
111. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
112. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
113. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
114. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
115. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
116. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
117. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
118. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
119. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
120. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
121. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
122. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
123. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
124. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
125. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
126. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
127. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
128. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
129. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
130. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
131. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
132. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
133. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
134. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
135. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
136. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
137. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
138. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
139. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
140. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
141. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
142. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
143. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
144. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
145. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
146. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
147. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
148. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
149. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
150. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
151. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
152. mailto:sam.goldstein at lp.org
153. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
154. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
155. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
156. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
157. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
158. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
159. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
160. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
161. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
162. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
163. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
164. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
165. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
166. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
167. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
168. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
169. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
170. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
171. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
172. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
173. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
174. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
175. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
176. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
177. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
178. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
179. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
180. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
181. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
182. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
183. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
184. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
185. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
186. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
187. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
188. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
189. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
190. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
191. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
192. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
193. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
194. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
195. mailto:joshua.smith at lp.org
196. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
197. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
198. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
199. http://www.lpcolorado.org/
200. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
201. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
202. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
203. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
204. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
205. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
206. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
207. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
208. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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