[Lnc-business] At-Large Elections

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

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==And I feel it incumbent to pass on a "rumour" (and it is just that - a
rumour) that is now being posted on social media.  The rumour is that the
vote for the last seat was a tie until Mr. Starr found an additional vote
for Ms. Mattson in CA.

Come on.  In what organization is it proper for the a person in the race to
do the counting assisted by one's spouse?

I don't believe there is credence to that rumour.  But this is exactly the
kind of situation we invite.

Come on people, the silence of the rest of the LNC on this is damning.

And the whole slate was very narrow - the one-vote one isn't the only
issue.  The whole spread was very close.===

Put yourself outside the LNC and ask yourself if the optics of this are
good or bad.  I think the optic of this make Arvin's comments look like the
height of civility.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I like that plurality voting allows minority voices to organize and have a
> seat.  My objection in the present races of switching from majority to
> plurality isn't that I think majority is better - it is that I think the
> candidates run a different kind of race depending on the voting system and
> it was fundamentally unfair to switch that under their feet.  Also there is
> a strategy to voting, and it is fundamentally unfair to the delegates who
> voted strategically in the first round to switch the rules under their feet.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > wrote:
>
>> I am in favour of voting by combat over approval voting.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> But there is in Parliamentary Law.  I cited an analogous situation and
>>> General Robert's advice on how to handle.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, a survey of the delegates is not an election.  There is no
>>>> manner of email or other type of
>>>> election in our bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-11 09:55, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only way to properly do this is to survey the delegates or have no
>>>>>    JC until 2020. Any other action is out of the purview of the LNC
>>>>> and is
>>>>>    strongly opposed by myself and others.
>>>>>    Dustin Nanna
>>>>>    LNC Region 3 Alternate
>>>>>    Vice Chair
>>>>>    Libertarian Party of Ohio
>>>>>    (740) 816-9805
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>



-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   ==And I feel it incumbent to pass on a "rumour" (and it is just that -
   a rumour) that is now being posted on social media.  The rumour is that
   the vote for the last seat was a tie until Mr. Starr found an
   additional vote for Ms. Mattson in CA.
   Come on.  In what organization is it proper for the a person in the
   race to do the counting assisted by one's spouse?
   I don't believe there is credence to that rumour.  But this is exactly
   the kind of situation we invite.
   Come on people, the silence of the rest of the LNC on this is damning.
   And the whole slate was very narrow - the one-vote one isn't the only
   issue.  The whole spread was very close.===
   Put yourself outside the LNC and ask yourself if the optics of this are
   good or bad.  I think the optic of this make Arvin's comments look like
   the height of civility.

   On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

   I like that plurality voting allows minority voices to organize and
   have a seat.  My objection in the present races of switching from
   majority to plurality isn't that I think majority is better - it is
   that I think the candidates run a different kind of race depending on
   the voting system and it was fundamentally unfair to switch that under
   their feet.  Also there is a strategy to voting, and it is
   fundamentally unfair to the delegates who voted strategically in the
   first round to switch the rules under their feet.

   On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

   I am in favour of voting by combat over approval voting.

   On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
   <[3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

   But there is in Parliamentary Law.  I cited an analogous situation and
   General Robert's advice on how to handle.

   On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
   <[4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

     However, a survey of the delegates is not an election.  There is no
     manner of email or other type of
     election in our bylaws.
     ---
     Sam Goldstein
     Libertarian National Committee
     317-850-0726 Cell

   On 2018-07-11 09:55, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business wrote:

     The only way to properly do this is to survey the delegates or have
     no
        JC until 2020. Any other action is out of the purview of the LNC
     and is
        strongly opposed by myself and others.
        Dustin Nanna
        LNC Region 3 Alternate
        Vice Chair
        Libertarian Party of Ohio
        (740) 816-9805

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [5]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [6]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

   --
   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [8]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
   8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org