[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-12: INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF AT-LARGE VOTE RESULTS
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sat Jul 14 10:27:57 EDT 2018
Not sure a Bylaws change is required Joe- this has been custom and I’m
willing to hear your custom.
If this is going to be issue. I’m just going to do everything by mountain
time or eastern time.
But we sure do find a way to major on the minors.
This vote end date I am leaving the same pending a correction by the Chiair
but members should take note.
Future ones I’ll take care of at a different time of day or switch the
custom to something more convenient to me. My job is eastern time so that
is what I would likely choose and everyone seems very familiar with that as
a standard.
One thing I’m not going to do is argue about it.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:36 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> Not on this point precisely, but I do have a suggestion in this regard
> that would not require a Bylaws change. Rather than making the due date
> at midnight PT as is current custom, instead it being noon PT or 5pm PT.
> We in DC certainly love our midnight deadlines on government shutdowns
> and budget deals and whatnot but it does result in unnecessary late
> nights.
>
> When I was chair of Bylaws, I had a couple occasions of being up until
> 3am (midnight PT) to immediately begin votes on submitted proposals or
> to process results, particularly on series of related e-mail ballots
> (amendments to a proposal, or motions to reconsider) near our final
> deadline where we couldn't lose a day. I know we have some night owls
> but I might prefer if we didn't technically transact business in the
> middle of the night.
>
> JBH
>
> On 2018-07-13 23:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I always understood it to be given the benefit of the doubt on both
> > ends per your email to the list in 2016 to interpret things the most
> > generous way possible. That is my interpretation and I ask the
> > Chair’s
> > advice on this.
> > I have been calculating the beginning date as Mountain and end as
> > Pacific to give the most generous interpretation. This only comes
> > into
> > play in the two hour window around midnight which though is a
> > typical
> > work time for me.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> > <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, this is a time zone issue, but shouldn't this email
> > ballot
> > end on
> > July 18 instead of July 19?
> > If the end date is for the Pacific time zone, shouldn't the
> > start
> > date
> > also be considered as the Pacific time zone? When this was
> > sent,
> > it
> > was July 12 in Colorado, but it was still July 11 in Pacific
> > time...
> > Then 7 days would make it end a second before midnight on July
> > 18
> > instead. With it starting on July 11 Pacific but ending on
> > July
> > 19
> > Pacific, we're spanning 8 days rather than 7 days.
> > -Alicia
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> > Lnc-business
> > <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
> > LNC-Business
> > list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> > Co-Sponsors:
> > Bowden,
> > Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
> > Motion: Move that the LNC would have an audit of the At
> > Large
> > ballots
> > done by two independent auditors appointed by the Chair,
> > ie
> > someone not
> > in the race. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual
> > tally
> > of
> > votes here: [1][2][3]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> > Secretary
> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> > LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> > References
> > 1. [3][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. [6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 3. [7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> JBH
>
> ------------
> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> LNC Member (At-Large)
> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Not sure a Bylaws change is required Joe- this has been custom and I’m
willing to hear your custom.
If this is going to be issue. I’m just going to do everything by
mountain time or eastern time.
But we sure do find a way to major on the minors.
This vote end date I am leaving the same pending a correction by the
Chiair but members should take note.
Future ones I’ll take care of at a different time of day or switch the
custom to something more convenient to me. My job is eastern time so
that is what I would likely choose and everyone seems very familiar
with that as a standard.
One thing I’m not going to do is argue about it.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:36 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman
<[1]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
Not on this point precisely, but I do have a suggestion in this
regard
that would not require a Bylaws change. Rather than making the due
date
at midnight PT as is current custom, instead it being noon PT or 5pm
PT.
We in DC certainly love our midnight deadlines on government
shutdowns
and budget deals and whatnot but it does result in unnecessary late
nights.
When I was chair of Bylaws, I had a couple occasions of being up
until
3am (midnight PT) to immediately begin votes on submitted proposals
or
to process results, particularly on series of related e-mail ballots
(amendments to a proposal, or motions to reconsider) near our final
deadline where we couldn't lose a day. I know we have some night
owls
but I might prefer if we didn't technically transact business in the
middle of the night.
JBH
On 2018-07-13 23:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> I always understood it to be given the benefit of the doubt on
both
> ends per your email to the list in 2016 to interpret things the
most
> generous way possible. That is my interpretation and I ask the
> Chair’s
> advice on this.
> I have been calculating the beginning date as Mountain and end
as
> Pacific to give the most generous interpretation. This only
comes
> into
> play in the two hour window around midnight which though is a
> typical
> work time for me.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Okay, this is a time zone issue, but shouldn't this email
> ballot
> end on
> July 18 instead of July 19?
> If the end date is for the Pacific time zone, shouldn't
the
> start
> date
> also be considered as the Pacific time zone? When this
was
> sent,
> it
> was July 12 in Colorado, but it was still July 11 in
Pacific
> time...
> Then 7 days would make it end a second before midnight on
July
> 18
> instead. With it starting on July 11 Pacific but ending
on
> July
> 19
> Pacific, we're spanning 8 days rather than 7 days.
> -Alicia
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to
the
> LNC-Business
> list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> Co-Sponsors:
> Bowden,
> Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
> Motion: Move that the LNC would have an audit of the
At
> Large
> ballots
> done by two independent auditors appointed by the
Chair,
> ie
> someone not
> in the race. You can keep track of the Secretary's
manual
> tally
> of
> votes here: [1][2][3][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. [3][4][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. [6][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 3. [7][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. [11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 4. [12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. [14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 7. [15]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 8. mailto:[16]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 9. mailto:[17]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
[18]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
[19]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [20]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
15. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
18. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
19. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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