[Lnc-business] Fwd: Judicial Committee motions
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Jul 16 12:11:49 EDT 2018
How is it leading them? It would present them with all their options and
could invite them to come up with some of their own.
And while I know you object to my position on leading, you can only speak
for yourself that it definitely did not happen. Erin Adams who is the
chair of the Oklahoma LP said that was certainly the way they felt, and it
was certainly the way the LPCO felt.
And the proof is in the pudding - if they were not simply trusting Nick we
would not be in this position right now because THEY would have thought
through this.
-Caryn Ann
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:03 AM, john.phillips at lp.org <john.phillips at lp.org
> wrote:
> Which is what we theoretically have now. Same 2 choices. So yes, same
> result. As for the rest, we were selected to REPRESENT THEM. But honestly
> that point is moot at this time.
>
> I maintain my one objection/modification regarding credentialed delegates,
> if that is present I will support this.
>
> Though compelled to point out I already said I would, and if this option
> of 1 email ballot, instead of multiple rounds that were, had been presented
> at the first, I would have supported it then.
>
>
> I also feel compelled to point out that if people thought what Nick did
> was "leading" the delegates, this is as much or more so. Not a problem
> with me because I disagreed with that statement from the time I heard it,
> but it needed to be said.
>
> John Phillips
>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Date: *Mon, Jul 16, 2018 10:36 AM
> *To: *john.phillips at lp.org;
> *Cc: *Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business;
> *Subject:*Re: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Judicial Committee motions
>
> It *may* not result in the same thing - the delegates could choose no JC.
> *Who* makes the decision makes all the difference in the world, not *what*
> the decision is.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:10 AM, john.phillips at lp.org <
> john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> So basically exactly the same thing, same result as we would have had?
>> Which was what was basically already suggested to us by the precious JC.
>> You just want it to be email ballot of delegates instead of the LNC?
>>
>>
>> Ok. If that will get this done, lets get it done. My patience, and that
>> of the delegates in my region, for jumping through hoops on this when it
>> could have already been done with exactly the same results is wearing thin.
>>
>>
>> HOWEVER, If we are going to be so meticulous about it , then it should
>> only be those delegates still credentialed at the close. People who left
>> early already knew they were giving up their votes and should not magically
>> get a new vote.
>>
>>
>> Considering the last section - they are going to proceed as if they were
>> elected already - lets get this done and move the hell on.
>>
>>
>> John Phillips
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> *From: *Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> *Date: *Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:21 AM
>> *To: *Libertarian National Committee list;
>> *Cc: *Caryn Ann Harlos;
>> *Subject:*[Lnc-business] Fwd: Judicial Committee motions
>>
>> Please see the below communication from Chuck Moulton.
>>
>> Which brings to mind another way to handle. Since the maybe JC did this
>> outside of our direction - if we refer ratification of this to the
>> delegates my mail - majority vote- we have as legitimate of JC that we are
>> going to get.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Chuck Moulton
>> Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:41 AM
>> Subject: Judicial Committee motions
>> To: Nick Sarwark , Caryn Ann Harlos
>> CC: D Frank Robinson , Chuck Moulton <
>> chuck at moulton.org>, Darryl Perry , Ruth Bennett <
>> bennettruthaz at gmail.com>, Geoff Neale , Jim Turney <
>> LP at jimturney.com>, Tricia Sprankle , Alicia Dearn <
>> aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com>, William Hall , John Buttrick <
>> jabuttrick at gmail.com>, Rob Latham , Michael Badnarik <
>> scholar at constitutionpreservation.org>, Gary Johnson
>>
>>
>> Chuck Moulton wrote (7/6/2018 at 4:31 pm):
>> > Because no one received a majority vote with approval voting, there is a
>> > controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was properly elected.
>> >
>> > Without getting into details of the relative merits of each
>> > interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
>> >
>> > 1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality (the motion to
>> > suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our rules say the
>> > JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
>> >
>> > 2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the motion
>> > referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected by plurality)
>> >
>> > 3. The JC from the previous term continues serving another 2 or 4 years
>> > (no one received a majority)
>> >
>> > 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large vacancies, and
>> > our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as at-large)
>> >
>> > 5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our bylaws say the JC
>> > serves until the final adjournment of the next convention rather than
>> > when the next JC is elected)
>> >
>> > I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
>> >
>> > I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations in #1, #2, #3,
>> > and #4 be the same people so those with different interpretations don't
>> > think we have 4 different JCs. I believe this will add to the
>> > legitimacy of the JC.
>>
>>
>> Mr. Chair and Ms. Secretary,
>>
>>
>> Please relay the following information to the Libertarian National
>> Committee. I write both on behalf of the 2016-2018 Judicial Committee
>> and on behalf of the 2018-2020 Judicial Committee.
>>
>>
>> First (to harmonize #3 with #1), the Judicial Committee from the
>> 2016-2018 term (which consisted of Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick,
>> Alicia Dearn, Bill Hall, Gary E. Johnson, Rob Latham, and Chuck Moulton
>> with Chuck Moulton serving as chair) passed the following motion by
>> email ballot with a vote of 6-0-1:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I move that the following people be appointed to the Judicial Committee
>> to fill the 6 vacancies created upon the resignations of 6 members of
>> the Judicial Committee:
>> * D. Frank Robinson
>> * Darryl Perry
>> * Ruth Bennett
>> * Geoff Neale
>> * Jim Turney
>> * Tricia Sprankle
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The following members of the old JC submitted letters of resignation
>> contingent on the motion passing:
>> * Alicia Dearn
>> * John Buttrick
>> * Bill Hall
>> * Rob Latham
>> * Michael Badnarik
>>
>> Gary E. Johnson did not respond to emails, participate in the vote, or
>> submit a letter of resignation. By phone he told me that he is not on
>> the Judicial Committee. He also believes we have no JC this term.
>>
>>
>> Second (to harmonize #2 with #1), the Judicial Committee which was
>> arguably elected by plurality for the 2016-2018 term under the
>> interpretation that the top 5 (but not the top 7) were elected (which
>> consisted of D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth
>> Bennett, and Geoff Neale with Chuck Moulton serving as interim chair)
>> passed the following motion by email ballot with a vote of 5-0-0:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I move that the following people be appointed to the Judicial Committee
>> to fill the 2 vacancies left on Judicial Committee (if such vacancies
>> exist):
>> * Jim Turney
>> * Tricia Sprankle
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> At this point we 7 (D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth
>> Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle) plan to elect a
>> committee chair and consider rules of appellate procedure to submit to
>> the Libertarian National Committee by the 90 day deadline in bylaw 8.3.
>> We realize that the JC election may still be a mess, but any further
>> resolution is out of our hands. Therefore, we will proceed as if we
>> were legitimately elected in order to meet bylaws deadlines.
>>
>>
>> Chuck Moulton
>> Interim Chair, 2018-2020 LP Judicial Committee
>> Chair, 2016-2018
>> LP Judicial Committee
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>> Please see the below communication from Chuck Moulton.
>>
>> Which brings to mind another way to handle. Since the maybe JC did
>> this outside of our direction - if we refer ratification of this to the
>> delegates my mail - majority vote- we have as legitimate of JC that we
>> are going to get.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Chuck Moulton <[1]chuck at moulton.org>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:41 AM
>> Subject: Judicial Committee motions
>> To: Nick Sarwark <[2]chair at lp.org>, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[3]secretary at lp.org>
>> CC: D Frank Robinson <[4]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com>, Chuck Moulton
>> <[5]chuck at moulton.org>, Darryl Perry <[6]Darryl at darrylwperry.com>, Ruth
>> Bennett <[7]bennettruthaz at gmail.com>, Geoff Neale
>> <[8]liber8or at austin.rr.com>, Jim Turney <[9]LP at jimturney.com>, Tricia
>> Sprankle <[10]tricia at spranklelaw.com>, Alicia Dearn
>> <[11]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com>, William Hall <[12]WHall at wnj.com>,
>> John Buttrick <[13]jabuttrick at gmail.com>, Rob Latham
>> <[14]freeutahns at gmail.com>, Michael Badnarik
>> <[15]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org>, Gary Johnson
>> <[16]sedition at aol.com>
>> Chuck Moulton wrote (7/6/2018 at 4:31 pm):
>> > Because no one received a majority vote with approval voting, there
>> is a
>> > controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was properly
>> elected.
>> >
>> > Without getting into details of the relative merits of each
>> > interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
>> >
>> > 1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality (the motion
>> to
>> > suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our rules say
>> the
>> > JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
>> >
>> > 2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the motion
>> > referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected by
>> plurality)
>> >
>> > 3. The JC from the previous term continues serving another 2 or 4
>> years
>> > (no one received a majority)
>> >
>> > 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large vacancies,
>> and
>> > our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as at-large)
>> >
>> > 5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our bylaws say the
>> JC
>> > serves until the final adjournment of the next convention rather than
>> > when the next JC is elected)
>> >
>> > I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
>> >
>> > I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations in #1, #2,
>> #3,
>> > and #4 be the same people so those with different interpretations
>> don't
>> > think we have 4 different JCs. I believe this will add to the
>> > legitimacy of the JC.
>> Mr. Chair and Ms. Secretary,
>> Please relay the following information to the Libertarian National
>> Committee. I write both on behalf of the 2016-2018 Judicial Committee
>> and on behalf of the 2018-2020 Judicial Committee.
>> First (to harmonize #3 with #1), the Judicial Committee from the
>>
>> 2016-2018 term (which consisted of Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick,
>> Alicia Dearn, Bill Hall, Gary E. Johnson, Rob Latham, and Chuck Moulton
>> with Chuck Moulton serving as chair) passed the following motion by
>> email ballot with a vote of 6-0-1:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I move that the following people be appointed to the Judicial Committee
>> to fill the 6 vacancies created upon the resignations of 6 members of
>> the Judicial Committee:
>> * D. Frank Robinson
>> * Darryl Perry
>> * Ruth Bennett
>> * Geoff Neale
>> * Jim Turney
>> * Tricia Sprankle
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> The following members of the old JC submitted letters of resignation
>> contingent on the motion passing:
>> * Alicia Dearn
>> * John Buttrick
>> * Bill Hall
>> * Rob Latham
>> * Michael Badnarik
>> Gary E. Johnson did not respond to emails, participate in the vote, or
>> submit a letter of resignation. By phone he told me that he is not on
>> the Judicial Committee. He also believes we have no JC this term.
>> Second (to harmonize #2 with #1), the Judicial Committee which was
>> arguably elected by plurality for the 2016-2018 term under the
>> interpretation that the top 5 (but not the top 7) were elected (which
>> consisted of D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry, Ruth
>> Bennett, and Geoff Neale with Chuck Moulton serving as interim chair)
>> passed the following motion by email ballot with a vote of 5-0-0:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I move that the following people be appointed to the Judicial Committee
>> to fill the 2 vacancies left on Judicial Committee (if such vacancies
>> exist):
>> * Jim Turney
>> * Tricia Sprankle
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> At this point we 7 (D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
>> Ruth
>> Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle) plan to elect a
>> committee chair and consider rules of appellate procedure to submit to
>> the Libertarian National Committee by the 90 day deadline in bylaw 8.3.
>> We realize that the JC election may still be a mess, but any further
>> resolution is out of our hands. Therefore, we will proceed as if we
>> were legitimately elected in order to meet bylaws deadlines.
>> Chuck Moulton
>> Interim Chair, 2018-2020 LP Judicial Committee
>> Chair, 2016-2018
>> LP Judicial Committee
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org. <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org <+LPedia at LP.org>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>> 2. mailto:chair at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:secretary at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
>> 5. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
>> 6. mailto:Darryl at darrylwperry.com
>> 7. mailto:bennettruthaz at gmail.com
>> 8. mailto:liber8or at austin.rr.com
>> 9. mailto:LP at jimturney.com
>> 10. mailto:tricia at spranklelaw.com
>> 11. mailto:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
>> 12. mailto:WHall at wnj.com
>> 13. mailto:jabuttrick at gmail.com
>> 14. mailto:freeutahns at gmail.com
>> 15. mailto:scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
>> 16. mailto:sedition at aol.com
>> 17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> <+LPedia at LP.org>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
-------------- next part --------------
How is it leading them? It would present them with all their options
and could invite them to come up with some of their own.
And while I know you object to my position on leading, you can only
speak for yourself that it definitely did not happen. Erin Adams who
is the chair of the Oklahoma LP said that was certainly the way they
felt, and it was certainly the way the LPCO felt.
And the proof is in the pudding - if they were not simply trusting Nick
we would not be in this position right now because THEY would have
thought through this.
-Caryn Ann
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:03 AM, [1]john.phillips at lp.org
<[2]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
Which is what we theoretically have now. Same 2 choices. So yes, same
result. As for the rest, we were selected to REPRESENT THEM. But
honestly that point is moot at this time.
I maintain my one objection/modification regarding credentialed
delegates, if that is present I will support this.
Though compelled to point out I already said I would, and if this
option of 1 email ballot, instead of multiple rounds that were, had
been presented at the first, I would have supported it then.
I also feel compelled to point out that if people thought what Nick did
was "leading" the delegates, this is as much or more so. Not a problem
with me because I disagreed with that statement from the time I heard
it, but it needed to be said.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [3]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos
Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 10:36 AM
To: [4]john.phillips at lp.org;
Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Judicial Committee motions
It *may* not result in the same thing - the delegates could choose no
JC. *Who* makes the decision makes all the difference in the world,
not *what* the decision is.
-Caryn Ann
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:10 AM, [5]john.phillips at lp.org
<[6]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
So basically exactly the same thing, same result as we would have had?
Which was what was basically already suggested to us by the precious
JC. You just want it to be email ballot of delegates instead of the
LNC?
Ok. If that will get this done, lets get it done. My patience, and
that of the delegates in my region, for jumping through hoops on this
when it could have already been done with exactly the same results is
wearing thin.
HOWEVER, If we are going to be so meticulous about it , then it should
only be those delegates still credentialed at the close. People who
left early already knew they were giving up their votes and should not
magically get a new vote.
Considering the last section - they are going to proceed as if they
were elected already - lets get this done and move the hell on.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [7]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:21 AM
To: Libertarian National Committee list;
Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
Subject:[Lnc-business] Fwd: Judicial Committee motions
Please see the below communication from Chuck Moulton.
Which brings to mind another way to handle. Since the maybe JC did this
outside of our direction - if we refer ratification of this to the
delegates my mail - majority vote- we have as legitimate of JC that we are
going to get.
-Caryn Ann
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Chuck Moulton
Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:41 AM
Subject: Judicial Committee motions
To: Nick Sarwark , Caryn Ann Harlos
CC: D Frank Robinson , Chuck Moulton <[8]
chuck at moulton.org>, Darryl Perry , Ruth Bennett <[9]
bennettruthaz at gmail.com>, Geoff Neale , Jim Turney <[10]
LP at jimturney.com>, Tricia Sprankle , Alicia Dearn <[11]
aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com>, William Hall , John Buttrick <[12]
jabuttrick at gmail.com>, Rob Latham , Michael Badnarik <[13]
scholar at constitutionpreservation.org>, Gary Johnson
Chuck Moulton wrote (7/6/2018 at 4:31 pm):
> Because no one received a majority vote with approval voting, there is a
> controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was properly elected.
>
> Without getting into details of the relative merits of each
> interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
>
> 1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality (the motion to
> suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our rules say the
> JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
>
> 2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the motion
> referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected by plurality)
>
> 3. The JC from the previous term continues serving another 2 or 4 years
> (no one received a majority)
>
> 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large vacancies, and
> our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as at-large)
>
> 5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our bylaws say the JC
> serves until the final adjournment of the next convention rather than
> when the next JC is elected)
>
> I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
>
> I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations in #1, #2, #3,
> and #4 be the same people so those with different interpretations don't
> think we have 4 different JCs. I believe this will add to the
> legitimacy of the JC.
Mr. Chair and Ms. Secretary,
Please relay the following information to the Libertarian National
Committee. I write both on behalf of the [14]2016-2018 Judicial Committee
and on behalf of the [15]2018-2020 Judicial Committee.
First (to harmonize #3 with #1), the Judicial Committee from the
[16]2016-2018 term (which consisted of Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick,
Alicia Dearn, Bill Hall, Gary E. Johnson, Rob Latham, and Chuck Moulton
with Chuck Moulton serving as chair) passed the following motion by
email ballot with a vote of 6-0-1: ------------------------------
---------------------------------------- I move that the following
people be appointed to the Judicial Committee to fill the 6 vacancies
created upon the resignations of 6 members of the Judicial Committee: *
D. Frank Robinson * Darryl Perry * Ruth Bennett * Geoff Neale * Jim
Turney * Tricia Sprankle ------------------------------
---------------------------------------- The following members of the
old JC submitted letters of resignation contingent on the motion
passing: * Alicia Dearn * John Buttrick * Bill Hall * Rob Latham *
Michael Badnarik Gary E. Johnson did not respond to emails, participate
in the vote, or submit a letter of resignation. By phone he told me
that he is not on the Judicial Committee. He also believes we have no
JC this term. Second (to harmonize #2 with #1), the Judicial Committee
which was arguably elected by plurality for the [17]2016-2018 term
under the interpretation that the top 5 (but not the top 7) were
elected (which consisted of D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
Perry, Ruth Bennett, and Geoff Neale with Chuck Moulton serving as
interim chair) passed the following motion by email ballot with a vote
of 5-0-0: ------------------------------------------------------------
---------- I move that the following people be appointed to the
Judicial Committee to fill the 2 vacancies left on Judicial Committee
(if such vacancies exist): * Jim Turney * Tricia Sprankle
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At this point we 7 (D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle) plan to
elect a committee chair and consider rules of appellate procedure to
submit to the Libertarian National Committee by the 90 day deadline in
bylaw 8.3. We realize that the JC election may still be a mess, but any
further resolution is out of our hands. Therefore, we will proceed as
if we were legitimately elected in order to meet bylaws deadlines.
Chuck Moulton Interim Chair, [18]2018-2020 LP Judicial Committee Chair,
[19]2016-2018
LP Judicial Committee -- -- *In Liberty,* *Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[20]Caryn.Ann.[21] Harlos at LP.org or[22] Secretary at LP.org. Chair, LP
Historical Preservation Committee -[23] LPedia at LP.org A haiku to the
Statement of Principles: *We defend your rights* *And oppose the use of
force* *Taxation is theft* Please see the below communication from
Chuck Moulton. Which brings to mind another way to handle. Since the
maybe JC did this outside of our direction - if we refer ratification
of this to the delegates my mail - majority vote- we have as legitimate
of JC that we are going to get. -Caryn Ann ---------- Forwarded message
--------- From: Chuck Moulton <[1[24]]chuck at moulton.org> Date: Mon, Jul
16, 2018 at 7:41 AM Subject: Judicial Committee motions To: Nick
Sarwark <[2[25]]chair at lp.org>, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[3[26]]secretary at lp.org> CC: D Frank Robinson
<[4[27]]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com>, Chuck Moulton
<[5[28]]chuck at moulton.org>, Darryl Perry
<[6[29]]Darryl at darrylwperry.com>, Ruth Bennett
<[7[30]]bennettruthaz at gmail.com>, Geoff Neale
<[8[31]]liber8or at austin.rr.com>, Jim Turney <[9[32]]LP at jimturney.com>,
Tricia Sprankle <[10[33]]tricia at spranklelaw.com>, Alicia Dearn
<[11[34]]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com>, William Hall
<[12[35]]WHall at wnj.com>, John Buttrick <[13[36]]jabuttrick at gmail.com>,
Rob Latham <[14[37]]freeutahns at gmail.com>, Michael Badnarik
<[15[38]]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org>, Gary Johnson
<[16[39]]sedition at aol.com> Chuck Moulton wrote (7/6/2018 at 4:31 pm): >
Because no one received a majority vote with approval voting, there is
a > controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was properly
elected. > > Without getting into details of the relative merits of
each > interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list: > > 1. The
convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality (the motion to >
suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our rules say the
> JC uses the same method of election as at-large). > > 2. The
convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the motion > referenced
above explicitly said the top 5 would be elected by plurality) > > 3.
The JC from the previous term continues serving another 2 or 4 years >
(no one received a majority) > > 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC
can fill at-large vacancies, and > our rules say the JC is elected by
the same method as at-large) > > 5. We have no JC (no one received a
majority and our bylaws say the JC > serves until the final adjournment
of the next convention rather than > when the next JC is elected) > > I
can't do anything about interpretation #5. > > I am trying my best to
at least make the interpretations in #1, #2, #3, > and #4 be the same
people so those with different interpretations don't > think we have 4
different JCs. I believe this will add to the > legitimacy of the JC.
Mr. Chair and Ms. Secretary, Please relay the following information to
the Libertarian National Committee. I write both on behalf of the
[40]2016-2018 Judicial Committee and on behalf of the [41]2018-2020
Judicial Committee. First (to harmonize #3 with #1), the Judicial
Committee from the
[42]2016-2018 term (which consisted of Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick,
Alicia Dearn, Bill Hall, Gary E. Johnson, Rob Latham, and Chuck Moulton
with Chuck Moulton serving as chair) passed the following motion by
email ballot with a vote of 6-0-1: ------------------------------
---------------------------------------- I move that the following
people be appointed to the Judicial Committee to fill the 6 vacancies
created upon the resignations of 6 members of the Judicial Committee: *
D. Frank Robinson * Darryl Perry * Ruth Bennett * Geoff Neale * Jim
Turney * Tricia Sprankle ------------------------------
---------------------------------------- The following members of the
old JC submitted letters of resignation contingent on the motion
passing: * Alicia Dearn * John Buttrick * Bill Hall * Rob Latham *
Michael Badnarik Gary E. Johnson did not respond to emails, participate
in the vote, or submit a letter of resignation. By phone he told me
that he is not on the Judicial Committee. He also believes we have no
JC this term. Second (to harmonize #2 with #1), the Judicial Committee
which was arguably elected by plurality for the [43]2016-2018 term
under the interpretation that the top 5 (but not the top 7) were
elected (which consisted of D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
Perry, Ruth Bennett, and Geoff Neale with Chuck Moulton serving as
interim chair) passed the following motion by email ballot with a vote
of 5-0-0: ------------------------------------------------------------
---------- I move that the following people be appointed to the
Judicial Committee to fill the 2 vacancies left on Judicial Committee
(if such vacancies exist): * Jim Turney * Tricia Sprankle
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At this point we 7 (D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl Perry,
Ruth Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle) plan to
elect a committee chair and consider rules of appellate procedure to
submit to the Libertarian National Committee by the 90 day deadline in
bylaw 8.3. We realize that the JC election may still be a mess, but any
further resolution is out of our hands. Therefore, we will proceed as
if we were legitimately elected in order to meet bylaws deadlines.
Chuck Moulton Interim Chair, [44]2018-2020 LP Judicial Committee Chair,
[45]2016-2018
LP Judicial Committee -- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian
Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[17][46]Caryn.Ann.[47] Harlos at LP.org or[48] Secretary at LP.org. Chair, LP
Historical Preservation Committee -[49] LPedia at LP.org A haiku to the
Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of
force Taxation is theft References 1. mailto[50]:chuck at moulton.org 2.
mailto[51]:chair at lp.org 3. mailto[52]:secretary at lp.org 4.
mailto[53]:dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com 5. mailto[54]:chuck at moulton.org 6.
mailto[55]:Darryl at darrylwperry.com 7.
mailto[56]:bennettruthaz at gmail.com 8. mailto[57]:liber8or at austin.rr.com
9. mailto[58]:LP at jimturney.com 10. mailto[59]:tricia at spranklelaw.com
11. mailto[60]:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com 12.
mailto[61]:WHall at wnj.com 13. mailto[62]:jabuttrick at gmail.com 14.
mailto[63]:freeutahns at gmail.com 15. mailto[64]:scholar at constitutionpre
servation.org 16. mailto[65]:sedition at aol.com 17.
mailto[66]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [67]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or[68] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[69] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [70]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
2. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
3. tel:217-412-5973
4. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
5. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
6. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
7. tel:217-412-5973
8. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
9. mailto:bennettruthaz at gmail.com
10. mailto:LP at jimturney.com
11. mailto:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
12. mailto:jabuttrick at gmail.com
13. mailto:scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
14. tel:2016-2018
15. tel:2018-2020
16. tel:2016-2018
17. tel:2016-2018
18. tel:2018-2020
19. tel:2016-2018
20. http://Caryn.An/
21. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto:+Secretary at LP.org.
23. mailto:+LPedia at LP.org
24. mailto:]chuck at moulton.org
25. mailto:]chair at lp.org
26. mailto:]secretary at lp.org
27. mailto:]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
28. mailto:]chuck at moulton.org
29. mailto:]Darryl at darrylwperry.com
30. mailto:]bennettruthaz at gmail.com
31. mailto:]liber8or at austin.rr.com
32. mailto:]LP at jimturney.com
33. mailto:]tricia at spranklelaw.com
34. mailto:]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
35. mailto:]WHall at wnj.com
36. mailto:]jabuttrick at gmail.com
37. mailto:]freeutahns at gmail.com
38. mailto:]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
39. mailto:]sedition at aol.com
40. tel:2016-2018
41. tel:2018-2020
42. tel:2016-2018
43. tel:2016-2018
44. tel:2018-2020
45. tel:2016-2018
46. http://Caryn.An/
47. mailto:+Harlos at LP.org
48. mailto:+Secretary at LP.org.
49. mailto:+LPedia at LP.org
50. mailto::chuck at moulton.org
51. mailto::chair at lp.org
52. mailto::secretary at lp.org
53. mailto::dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
54. mailto::chuck at moulton.org
55. mailto::Darryl at darrylwperry.com
56. mailto::bennettruthaz at gmail.com
57. mailto::liber8or at austin.rr.com
58. mailto::LP at jimturney.com
59. mailto::tricia at spranklelaw.com
60. mailto::aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
61. mailto::WHall at wnj.com
62. mailto::jabuttrick at gmail.com
63. mailto::freeutahns at gmail.com
64. mailto::scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
65. mailto::sedition at aol.com
66. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
67. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
68. mailto:+Secretary at LP.org.
69. mailto:+LPedia at LP.org
70. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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