[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-12: INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF AT-LARGE VOTE RESULTS
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Wed Jul 18 08:44:51 EDT 2018
I don't see a vote recorded for Lark/Hogarth.
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Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-07-18 08:09, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Reminder that the deadline on this is tomorrow as per the ballot
> announcement but that there is a challenge to the end time so be
> sure
> to vote tonight by midnight if you want to be absolutely sure your
> vote
> is counted.
> I don't have votes recorded for the following: Bilyeu/Adams, Lyons,
> Mattson, Sarwark
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I think we should use whichever time zone the secretary feels
> is
> optimal for her convenience. To me, it seems like you'd want
> to
> do it
> all on Mountain Time so that when you put a mail ballot out you
> don't
> have to take the extra step of asking what day it is in another
> time
> zone. Just add 7 days to whatever date it is for you when you
> send
> it. But whatever time zone you pick as the start point, that
> same time
> zone must be used as the end point.
> The two reasonable interpretations of the 7-day period are:
> 1) 7 days * 24 hours = 168 hours - so it would end exactly 168
> hours
> later to the second, and we'd all have to pay attention to the
> time of
> day on each email ballot to make sure our votes are cast on
> time
> 2) 7 calendar days, in the sense that something that happens
> at
> any
> time on Wednesday is only one day after Tuesday. We've used
> this
> approach so we could have a consistent ending time of 11:59:59
> on
> the
> 7th day, and we don't have to remember different ending times
> for
> each
> mail ballot.
> For this email ballot to start at 11:53 Pacific on June 11, and
> end at
> 11:59:59 Pacific on June 19, that means it is open for 8
> periods
> of 24
> hours plus 7 minutes, though the bylaws prescribe a 7-day
> voting
> period.
> Ending instead at 11:59:59 on June 18 means it is open for 7
> days
> and 7
> minutes.
> Any vote that is cast on the 8th day should not be counted, per
> LP
> Bylaws which prescribe a 7-day vote. I don't see a good
> argument
> that
> a 7-day time frame runs longer than 8 days. I urge my fellow
> LNC
> members to vote by the 18th so as to avoid it being questioned
> whether
> or not it should be counted.
> -Alicia
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Not sure a Bylaws change is required Joe- this has been
> custom
> and I’m
> willing to hear your custom.
> If this is going to be issue. I’m just going to do
> everything by
> mountain time or eastern time.
> But we sure do find a way to major on the minors.
> This vote end date I am leaving the same pending a
> correction by
> the
> Chiair but members should take note.
> Future ones I’ll take care of at a different time of day
> or
> switch the
> custom to something more convenient to me. My job is
> eastern
> time so
> that is what I would likely choose and everyone seems very
> familiar
> with that as a standard.
> One thing I’m not going to do is argue about it.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:36 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>
> <[1][2][3]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> Not on this point precisely, but I do have a suggestion in
> this
> regard
> that would not require a Bylaws change. Rather than making
> the
> due
> date
> at midnight PT as is current custom, instead it being noon
> PT
> or
> 5pm
> PT.
> We in DC certainly love our midnight deadlines on government
> shutdowns
> and budget deals and whatnot but it does result in
> unnecessary
> late
> nights.
> When I was chair of Bylaws, I had a couple occasions of
> being
> up
> until
> 3am (midnight PT) to immediately begin votes on submitted
> proposals
> or
> to process results, particularly on series of related e-mail
> ballots
> (amendments to a proposal, or motions to reconsider) near
> our
> final
> deadline where we couldn't lose a day. I know we have some
> night
> owls
> but I might prefer if we didn't technically transact
> business
> in
> the
> middle of the night.
> JBH
> On 2018-07-13 23:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> > I always understood it to be given the benefit of the
> doubt
> on
> both
> > ends per your email to the list in 2016 to interpret
> things
> the
> most
> > generous way possible. That is my interpretation and I
> ask
> the
> > Chair’s
> > advice on this.
> > I have been calculating the beginning date as Mountain
> and
> end
> as
> > Pacific to give the most generous interpretation. This
> only
> comes
> > into
> > play in the two hour window around midnight which
> though
> is a
> > typical
> > work time for me.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM Alicia Mattson via
> Lnc-business
>
> > <[1][2][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, this is a time zone issue, but shouldn't
> this
> email
> > ballot
> > end on
> > July 18 instead of July 19?
> > If the end date is for the Pacific time zone,
> shouldn't
> the
> > start
> > date
> > also be considered as the Pacific time zone? When
> this
> was
> > sent,
> > it
> > was July 12 in Colorado, but it was still July 11
> in
> Pacific
> > time...
> > Then 7 days would make it end a second before
> midnight
> on
> July
> > 18
> > instead. With it starting on July 11 Pacific but
> ending
> on
> > July
> > 19
> > Pacific, we're spanning 8 days rather than 7 days.
> > -Alicia
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> via
> > Lnc-business
>
> > <[1][2][3][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes
> are
> due
> to
> the
> > LNC-Business
> > list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
> time.
> > Co-Sponsors:
> > Bowden,
> > Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
> > Motion: Move that the LNC would have an
> audit
> of
> the
> At
> > Large
> > ballots
> > done by two independent auditors appointed
> by
> the
> Chair,
> > ie
> > someone not
> > in the race. You can keep track of the
> Secretary's
> manual
> > tally
> > of
>
> > votes here:
> [1][2][3][4][5][6]https://tinyurl.
> com/lncvoting
> > --
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian
> National
> Committee
> > Secretary
> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
> Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> Committee
> -
> > LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> > References
> > 1. [3][4][5][6][7]https://tinyurl.
> com/lncvoting
> > 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > References
> > 1. mailto:[5][6][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. [6][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 3. [7][8][9][10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
> Committee
> Secretary
> > - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[9][10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:[10][11][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 3. [11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 4. [12][13][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 5. mailto:[13][14][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 6. [14][15][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 7. [15][16][17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 8. mailto:[16]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 9. mailto:[17]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> --
> JBH
> ------------
> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> LNC Member (At-Large)
> [18][17][18]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> [19][18][19]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> - [20]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[19][20]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[20][21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[21][22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. [22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. [23][24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:[24][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 8. [26][27]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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> 16. mailto:[34]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 17. mailto:[35]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 18. mailto:[36][35]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 19. [37][36]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 20. mailto:[38]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[38]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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> 17. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 18. [54]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 19. mailto:[55]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 20. mailto:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 21. mailto:[57]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 22. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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> 24. mailto:[60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 25. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 26. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 27. mailto:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 28. mailto:[64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 29. [65]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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> 34. mailto:[70]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 35. mailto:[71]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 36. mailto:[72]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 37. [73]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 38. mailto:[74]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [75]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
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> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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