[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-12: INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF AT-LARGE VOTE RESULTS

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Wed Jul 18 08:44:51 EDT 2018


I don't see a vote recorded for Lark/Hogarth.

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Elizabeth Van Horn


On 2018-07-18 08:09, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Reminder that the deadline on this is tomorrow as per the ballot
>    announcement but that there is a challenge to the end time so be 
> sure
>    to vote tonight by midnight if you want to be absolutely sure your 
> vote
>    is counted.
>    I don't have votes recorded for the following: Bilyeu/Adams, Lyons,
>    Mattson, Sarwark
> 
>    On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>         I think we should use whichever time zone the secretary feels 
> is
>         optimal for her convenience.  To me, it seems like you'd want 
> to
>      do it
>         all on Mountain Time so that when you put a mail ballot out you
>      don't
>         have to take the extra step of asking what day it is in another
>      time
>         zone.  Just add 7 days to whatever date it is for you when you
>      send
>         it.  But whatever time zone you pick as the start point, that
>      same time
>         zone must be used as the end point.
>         The two reasonable interpretations of the 7-day period are:
>         1)  7 days * 24 hours = 168 hours - so it would end exactly 168
>      hours
>         later to the second, and we'd all have to pay attention to the
>      time of
>         day on each email ballot to make sure our votes are cast on 
> time
>         2)  7 calendar days, in the sense that something that happens 
> at
>      any
>         time on Wednesday is only one day after Tuesday.  We've used 
> this
>         approach so we could have a consistent ending time of 11:59:59 
> on
>      the
>         7th day, and we don't have to remember different ending times 
> for
>      each
>         mail ballot.
>         For this email ballot to start at 11:53 Pacific on June 11, and
>      end at
>         11:59:59 Pacific on June 19, that means it is open for 8 
> periods
>      of 24
>         hours plus 7 minutes, though the bylaws prescribe a 7-day 
> voting
>         period.
>         Ending instead at 11:59:59 on June 18 means it is open for 7 
> days
>      and 7
>         minutes.
>         Any vote that is cast on the 8th day should not be counted, per
>      LP
>         Bylaws which prescribe a 7-day vote.  I don't see a good 
> argument
>      that
>         a 7-day time frame runs longer than 8 days.  I urge my fellow 
> LNC
>         members to vote by the 18th so as to avoid it being questioned
>      whether
>         or not it should be counted.
>         -Alicia
>         On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>      Lnc-business
>         <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>              Not sure a Bylaws change is required Joe- this has been
>      custom
>           and I’m
>              willing to hear your custom.
>              If this is going to be issue. I’m just going to do
>      everything by
>              mountain time or eastern time.
>              But we sure do find a way to major on the minors.
>              This vote end date I am leaving the same pending a
>      correction by
>           the
>              Chiair but members should take note.
>              Future ones I’ll take care of at a different time of day 
> or
>           switch the
>              custom to something more convenient to me.  My job is
>      eastern
>           time so
>              that is what I would likely choose and everyone seems very
>           familiar
>              with that as a standard.
>              One thing I’m not going to do is argue about it.
>              -Caryn Ann
>            On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:36 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman
> 
>          <[1][2][3]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>            Not on this point precisely, but I do have a suggestion in 
> this
>            regard
>            that would not require a Bylaws change. Rather than making 
> the
>    due
>            date
>            at midnight PT as is current custom, instead it being noon 
> PT
>    or
>       5pm
>            PT.
>            We in DC certainly love our midnight deadlines on government
>            shutdowns
>            and budget deals and whatnot but it does result in 
> unnecessary
>       late
>            nights.
>            When I was chair of Bylaws, I had a couple occasions of 
> being
>    up
>            until
>            3am (midnight PT) to immediately begin votes on submitted
>       proposals
>            or
>            to process results, particularly on series of related e-mail
>       ballots
>            (amendments to a proposal, or motions to reconsider) near 
> our
>       final
>            deadline where we couldn't lose a day. I know we have some
>    night
>            owls
>            but I might prefer if we didn't technically transact 
> business
>    in
>       the
>            middle of the night.
>            JBH
>            On 2018-07-13 23:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business 
> wrote:
>            > I always understood it to be given the benefit of the 
> doubt
>    on
>            both
>            >    ends per your email to the list in 2016 to interpret
>    things
>       the
>            most
>            >    generous way possible.  That is my interpretation and I
>    ask
>       the
>            > Chair’s
>            >    advice on this.
>            >    I have been calculating the beginning date as Mountain 
> and
>       end
>            as
>            >    Pacific to give the most generous interpretation.  This
>    only
>            comes
>            > into
>            >    play in the two hour window around midnight which 
> though
>    is a
>            > typical
>            >    work time for me.
>            >    -Caryn Ann
>            >    On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM Alicia Mattson via
>       Lnc-business
> 
>            >    <[1][2][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>            >
>            >         Okay, this is a time zone issue, but shouldn't 
> this
>       email
>            > ballot
>            >      end on
>            >         July 18 instead of July 19?
>            >         If the end date is for the Pacific time zone,
>    shouldn't
>            the
>            > start
>            >      date
>            >         also be considered as the Pacific time zone?  When
>    this
>            was
>            > sent,
>            >      it
>            >         was July 12 in Colorado, but it was still July 11 
> in
>            Pacific
>            >      time...
>            >         Then 7 days would make it end a second before
>    midnight
>       on
>            July
>            > 18
>            >         instead.  With it starting on July 11 Pacific but
>    ending
>            on
>            > July
>            >      19
>            >         Pacific, we're spanning 8 days rather than 7 days.
>            >         -Alicia
>            >         On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>    via
>            >      Lnc-business
> 
>              >         <[1][2][3][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>              >              We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes 
> are
>    due
>         to
>              the
>              >           LNC-Business
>              >              list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
>         time.
>              >      Co-Sponsors:
>              >           Bowden,
>              >              Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
>              >              Motion: Move that the LNC would have an 
> audit
>    of
>         the
>              At
>              >      Large
>              >           ballots
>              >              done by two independent auditors appointed 
> by
>         the
>              Chair,
>              > ie
>              >           someone not
>              >              in the race.  You can keep track of the
>         Secretary's
>              manual
>              >      tally
>              >           of
> 
>                >              votes here:
>      [1][2][3][4][5][6]https://tinyurl.
>           com/lncvoting
>                >              --
>                >              --
>                >              In Liberty,
>                >              Caryn Ann Harlos
>                >              Libertarian Party and Libertarian 
> National
>           Committee
>                >      Secretary
>                >              - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>           Secretary at LP.org.
>                >              Chair, LP Historical Preservation 
> Committee
>      -
>                > LPedia at LP.org
>                >              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>                >              We defend your rights
>                >              And oppose the use of force
>                >              Taxation is theft
>                >           References
>                >              1. [3][4][5][6][7]https://tinyurl.
>      com/lncvoting
>                >              2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>                >      References
>                >         1. mailto:[5][6][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                >         2. [6][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >         3. [7][8][9][10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >         4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>                >
>                >    --
>                >
>                >    --
>                >    In Liberty,
>                >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>                >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National 
> Committee
>           Secretary
>                >    - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>                >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>           LPedia at LP.org
>                >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>                >    We defend your rights
>                >    And oppose the use of force
>                >    Taxation is theft
>                >
>                > References
>                >
>                >    1. mailto:[9][10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                >    2. mailto:[10][11][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                >    3. [11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >    4. [12][13][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >    5. mailto:[13][14][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>                >    6. [14][15][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >    7. [15][16][17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >    8. mailto:[16]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>                >    9. mailto:[17]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>                --
>                JBH
>                ------------
>                Joe Bishop-Henchman
>                LNC Member (At-Large)
>                [18][17][18]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>                [19][18][19]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>              --
>              --
>              In Liberty,
>              Caryn Ann Harlos
>              Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>      Secretary
>              - [20]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>              Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - 
> LPedia at LP.org
>              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>              We defend your rights
>              And oppose the use of force
>              Taxation is theft
>           References
>              1. mailto:[19][20]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>              2. mailto:[20][21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              3. mailto:[21][22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              4. [22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>              5. [23][24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>              6. mailto:[24][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              7. [25][26]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>              8. [26][27]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>              9. mailto:[27][28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             10. mailto:[28][29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             11. [29][30]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>             12. [30][31]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>             13. mailto:[31][32]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>             14. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>             15. [33][34]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>             16. mailto:[34]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>             17. mailto:[35]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>             18. mailto:[36][35]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>             19. [37][36]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>             20. mailto:[38]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>      References
>         1. mailto:[37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         2. mailto:[38]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>         3. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         4. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         5. [41]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         6. [42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         7. mailto:[43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         8. [44]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         9. [45]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        10. mailto:[46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        11. mailto:[47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        12. [48]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        13. [49]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        14. mailto:[50]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        15. [51]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        16. [52]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        17. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>        18. [54]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>        19. mailto:[55]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>        20. mailto:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        21. mailto:[57]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        22. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        23. [59]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        24. mailto:[60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        25. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        26. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        27. mailto:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        28. mailto:[64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        29. [65]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        30. [66]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        31. mailto:[67]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        32. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        33. [69]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        34. mailto:[70]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>        35. mailto:[71]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>        36. mailto:[72]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>        37. [73]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>        38. mailto:[74]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 
>    --
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [75]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>    4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    6. https://tinyurl/
>    7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   10. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   17. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   18. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   19. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   20. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   22. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   26. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   27. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   29. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   30. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   31. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   32. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   34. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   35. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   36. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   37. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   38. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   39. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   41. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   43. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   44. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   45. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   46. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   47. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   48. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   49. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   50. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   51. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   52. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   54. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   55. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   56. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   57. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   59. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>   61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   63. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   64. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   65. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   66. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   67. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   69. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   70. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   71. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   72. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   73. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   74. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   75. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org



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