[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-12: INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF AT-LARGE VOTE RESULTS
Joe Bishop-Henchman
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
Wed Jul 18 08:48:18 EDT 2018
Or Hewitt
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2018-07-18 08:44, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> I don't see a vote recorded for Lark/Hogarth.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-07-18 08:09, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Reminder that the deadline on this is tomorrow as per the ballot
>> announcement but that there is a challenge to the end time so be
>> sure
>> to vote tonight by midnight if you want to be absolutely sure your
>> vote
>> is counted.
>> I don't have votes recorded for the following: Bilyeu/Adams, Lyons,
>> Mattson, Sarwark
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think we should use whichever time zone the secretary feels
>> is
>> optimal for her convenience. To me, it seems like you'd want
>> to
>> do it
>> all on Mountain Time so that when you put a mail ballot out
>> you
>> don't
>> have to take the extra step of asking what day it is in
>> another
>> time
>> zone. Just add 7 days to whatever date it is for you when you
>> send
>> it. But whatever time zone you pick as the start point, that
>> same time
>> zone must be used as the end point.
>> The two reasonable interpretations of the 7-day period are:
>> 1) 7 days * 24 hours = 168 hours - so it would end exactly
>> 168
>> hours
>> later to the second, and we'd all have to pay attention to the
>> time of
>> day on each email ballot to make sure our votes are cast on
>> time
>> 2) 7 calendar days, in the sense that something that happens
>> at
>> any
>> time on Wednesday is only one day after Tuesday. We've used
>> this
>> approach so we could have a consistent ending time of 11:59:59
>> on
>> the
>> 7th day, and we don't have to remember different ending times
>> for
>> each
>> mail ballot.
>> For this email ballot to start at 11:53 Pacific on June 11,
>> and
>> end at
>> 11:59:59 Pacific on June 19, that means it is open for 8
>> periods
>> of 24
>> hours plus 7 minutes, though the bylaws prescribe a 7-day
>> voting
>> period.
>> Ending instead at 11:59:59 on June 18 means it is open for 7
>> days
>> and 7
>> minutes.
>> Any vote that is cast on the 8th day should not be counted,
>> per
>> LP
>> Bylaws which prescribe a 7-day vote. I don't see a good
>> argument
>> that
>> a 7-day time frame runs longer than 8 days. I urge my fellow
>> LNC
>> members to vote by the 18th so as to avoid it being questioned
>> whether
>> or not it should be counted.
>> -Alicia
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business
>> <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Not sure a Bylaws change is required Joe- this has been
>> custom
>> and I’m
>> willing to hear your custom.
>> If this is going to be issue. I’m just going to do
>> everything by
>> mountain time or eastern time.
>> But we sure do find a way to major on the minors.
>> This vote end date I am leaving the same pending a
>> correction by
>> the
>> Chiair but members should take note.
>> Future ones I’ll take care of at a different time of day
>> or
>> switch the
>> custom to something more convenient to me. My job is
>> eastern
>> time so
>> that is what I would likely choose and everyone seems
>> very
>> familiar
>> with that as a standard.
>> One thing I’m not going to do is argue about it.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:36 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>
>> <[1][2][3]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>> Not on this point precisely, but I do have a suggestion in
>> this
>> regard
>> that would not require a Bylaws change. Rather than making
>> the
>> due
>> date
>> at midnight PT as is current custom, instead it being noon
>> PT
>> or
>> 5pm
>> PT.
>> We in DC certainly love our midnight deadlines on
>> government
>> shutdowns
>> and budget deals and whatnot but it does result in
>> unnecessary
>> late
>> nights.
>> When I was chair of Bylaws, I had a couple occasions of
>> being
>> up
>> until
>> 3am (midnight PT) to immediately begin votes on submitted
>> proposals
>> or
>> to process results, particularly on series of related
>> e-mail
>> ballots
>> (amendments to a proposal, or motions to reconsider) near
>> our
>> final
>> deadline where we couldn't lose a day. I know we have some
>> night
>> owls
>> but I might prefer if we didn't technically transact
>> business
>> in
>> the
>> middle of the night.
>> JBH
>> On 2018-07-13 23:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>> > I always understood it to be given the benefit of the
>> doubt
>> on
>> both
>> > ends per your email to the list in 2016 to interpret
>> things
>> the
>> most
>> > generous way possible. That is my interpretation and
>> I
>> ask
>> the
>> > Chair’s
>> > advice on this.
>> > I have been calculating the beginning date as Mountain
>> and
>> end
>> as
>> > Pacific to give the most generous interpretation.
>> This
>> only
>> comes
>> > into
>> > play in the two hour window around midnight which
>> though
>> is a
>> > typical
>> > work time for me.
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM Alicia Mattson via
>> Lnc-business
>>
>> > <[1][2][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Okay, this is a time zone issue, but shouldn't
>> this
>> email
>> > ballot
>> > end on
>> > July 18 instead of July 19?
>> > If the end date is for the Pacific time zone,
>> shouldn't
>> the
>> > start
>> > date
>> > also be considered as the Pacific time zone?
>> When
>> this
>> was
>> > sent,
>> > it
>> > was July 12 in Colorado, but it was still July 11
>> in
>> Pacific
>> > time...
>> > Then 7 days would make it end a second before
>> midnight
>> on
>> July
>> > 18
>> > instead. With it starting on July 11 Pacific but
>> ending
>> on
>> > July
>> > 19
>> > Pacific, we're spanning 8 days rather than 7
>> days.
>> > -Alicia
>> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann
>> Harlos
>> via
>> > Lnc-business
>>
>> > <[1][2][3][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes
>> are
>> due
>> to
>> the
>> > LNC-Business
>> > list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm
>> Pacific
>> time.
>> > Co-Sponsors:
>> > Bowden,
>> > Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
>> > Motion: Move that the LNC would have an
>> audit
>> of
>> the
>> At
>> > Large
>> > ballots
>> > done by two independent auditors appointed
>> by
>> the
>> Chair,
>> > ie
>> > someone not
>> > in the race. You can keep track of the
>> Secretary's
>> manual
>> > tally
>> > of
>>
>> > votes here:
>> [1][2][3][4][5][6]https://tinyurl.
>> com/lncvoting
>> > --
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian
>> National
>> Committee
>> > Secretary
>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>> Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> -
>> > LPedia at LP.org
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> > References
>> > 1. [3][4][5][6][7]https://tinyurl.
>> com/lncvoting
>> > 2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > References
>> > 1. mailto:[5][6][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 2. [6][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 3. [7][8][9][10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
>> Committee
>> Secretary
>> > - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:[9][10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 2. mailto:[10][11][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 3. [11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 4. [12][13][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 5. mailto:[13][14][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 6. [14][15][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 7. [15][16][17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> > 8. mailto:[16]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> > 9. mailto:[17]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> JBH
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> [18][17][18]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> [19][18][19]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> - [20]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[19][20]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[20][21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[21][22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. [22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 5. [23][24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 6. mailto:[24][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. [25][26]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 8. [26][27]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 9. mailto:[27][28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 10. mailto:[28][29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 11. [29][30]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 12. [30][31]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 13. mailto:[31][32]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 15. [33][34]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 16. mailto:[34]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 17. mailto:[35]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 18. mailto:[36][35]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 19. [37][36]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 20. mailto:[38]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[38]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. [41]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 6. [42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 7. mailto:[43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>> 10. mailto:[46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>> 17. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 18. [54]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 19. mailto:[55]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 20. mailto:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 21. mailto:[57]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 22. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 23. [59]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 24. mailto:[60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 25. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 26. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 27. mailto:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 28. mailto:[64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 29. [65]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 30. [66]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 31. mailto:[67]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 32. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 33. [69]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 34. mailto:[70]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 35. mailto:[71]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 36. mailto:[72]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 37. [73]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 38. mailto:[74]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [75]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 3. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. https://tinyurl/
>> 7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>> 11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>> 17. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 18. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 19. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 20. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 22. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>> 24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>> 75. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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