[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-12: INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF AT-LARGE VOTE RESULTS

Joe Bishop-Henchman joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
Wed Jul 18 08:48:18 EDT 2018


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JBH

------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2018-07-18 08:44, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> I don't see a vote recorded for Lark/Hogarth.
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> 
> 
> On 2018-07-18 08:09, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Reminder that the deadline on this is tomorrow as per the ballot
>>    announcement but that there is a challenge to the end time so be 
>> sure
>>    to vote tonight by midnight if you want to be absolutely sure your 
>> vote
>>    is counted.
>>    I don't have votes recorded for the following: Bilyeu/Adams, Lyons,
>>    Mattson, Sarwark
>> 
>>    On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>         I think we should use whichever time zone the secretary feels 
>> is
>>         optimal for her convenience.  To me, it seems like you'd want 
>> to
>>      do it
>>         all on Mountain Time so that when you put a mail ballot out 
>> you
>>      don't
>>         have to take the extra step of asking what day it is in 
>> another
>>      time
>>         zone.  Just add 7 days to whatever date it is for you when you
>>      send
>>         it.  But whatever time zone you pick as the start point, that
>>      same time
>>         zone must be used as the end point.
>>         The two reasonable interpretations of the 7-day period are:
>>         1)  7 days * 24 hours = 168 hours - so it would end exactly 
>> 168
>>      hours
>>         later to the second, and we'd all have to pay attention to the
>>      time of
>>         day on each email ballot to make sure our votes are cast on 
>> time
>>         2)  7 calendar days, in the sense that something that happens 
>> at
>>      any
>>         time on Wednesday is only one day after Tuesday.  We've used 
>> this
>>         approach so we could have a consistent ending time of 11:59:59 
>> on
>>      the
>>         7th day, and we don't have to remember different ending times 
>> for
>>      each
>>         mail ballot.
>>         For this email ballot to start at 11:53 Pacific on June 11, 
>> and
>>      end at
>>         11:59:59 Pacific on June 19, that means it is open for 8 
>> periods
>>      of 24
>>         hours plus 7 minutes, though the bylaws prescribe a 7-day 
>> voting
>>         period.
>>         Ending instead at 11:59:59 on June 18 means it is open for 7 
>> days
>>      and 7
>>         minutes.
>>         Any vote that is cast on the 8th day should not be counted, 
>> per
>>      LP
>>         Bylaws which prescribe a 7-day vote.  I don't see a good 
>> argument
>>      that
>>         a 7-day time frame runs longer than 8 days.  I urge my fellow 
>> LNC
>>         members to vote by the 18th so as to avoid it being questioned
>>      whether
>>         or not it should be counted.
>>         -Alicia
>>         On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>      Lnc-business
>>         <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>              Not sure a Bylaws change is required Joe- this has been
>>      custom
>>           and I’m
>>              willing to hear your custom.
>>              If this is going to be issue. I’m just going to do
>>      everything by
>>              mountain time or eastern time.
>>              But we sure do find a way to major on the minors.
>>              This vote end date I am leaving the same pending a
>>      correction by
>>           the
>>              Chiair but members should take note.
>>              Future ones I’ll take care of at a different time of day 
>> or
>>           switch the
>>              custom to something more convenient to me.  My job is
>>      eastern
>>           time so
>>              that is what I would likely choose and everyone seems 
>> very
>>           familiar
>>              with that as a standard.
>>              One thing I’m not going to do is argue about it.
>>              -Caryn Ann
>>            On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:36 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> 
>>          <[1][2][3]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>            Not on this point precisely, but I do have a suggestion in 
>> this
>>            regard
>>            that would not require a Bylaws change. Rather than making 
>> the
>>    due
>>            date
>>            at midnight PT as is current custom, instead it being noon 
>> PT
>>    or
>>       5pm
>>            PT.
>>            We in DC certainly love our midnight deadlines on 
>> government
>>            shutdowns
>>            and budget deals and whatnot but it does result in 
>> unnecessary
>>       late
>>            nights.
>>            When I was chair of Bylaws, I had a couple occasions of 
>> being
>>    up
>>            until
>>            3am (midnight PT) to immediately begin votes on submitted
>>       proposals
>>            or
>>            to process results, particularly on series of related 
>> e-mail
>>       ballots
>>            (amendments to a proposal, or motions to reconsider) near 
>> our
>>       final
>>            deadline where we couldn't lose a day. I know we have some
>>    night
>>            owls
>>            but I might prefer if we didn't technically transact 
>> business
>>    in
>>       the
>>            middle of the night.
>>            JBH
>>            On 2018-07-13 23:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business 
>> wrote:
>>            > I always understood it to be given the benefit of the 
>> doubt
>>    on
>>            both
>>            >    ends per your email to the list in 2016 to interpret
>>    things
>>       the
>>            most
>>            >    generous way possible.  That is my interpretation and 
>> I
>>    ask
>>       the
>>            > Chair’s
>>            >    advice on this.
>>            >    I have been calculating the beginning date as Mountain 
>> and
>>       end
>>            as
>>            >    Pacific to give the most generous interpretation.  
>> This
>>    only
>>            comes
>>            > into
>>            >    play in the two hour window around midnight which 
>> though
>>    is a
>>            > typical
>>            >    work time for me.
>>            >    -Caryn Ann
>>            >    On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM Alicia Mattson via
>>       Lnc-business
>> 
>>            >    <[1][2][3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>            >
>>            >         Okay, this is a time zone issue, but shouldn't 
>> this
>>       email
>>            > ballot
>>            >      end on
>>            >         July 18 instead of July 19?
>>            >         If the end date is for the Pacific time zone,
>>    shouldn't
>>            the
>>            > start
>>            >      date
>>            >         also be considered as the Pacific time zone?  
>> When
>>    this
>>            was
>>            > sent,
>>            >      it
>>            >         was July 12 in Colorado, but it was still July 11 
>> in
>>            Pacific
>>            >      time...
>>            >         Then 7 days would make it end a second before
>>    midnight
>>       on
>>            July
>>            > 18
>>            >         instead.  With it starting on July 11 Pacific but
>>    ending
>>            on
>>            > July
>>            >      19
>>            >         Pacific, we're spanning 8 days rather than 7 
>> days.
>>            >         -Alicia
>>            >         On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann 
>> Harlos
>>    via
>>            >      Lnc-business
>> 
>>              >         <[1][2][3][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>              >              We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes 
>> are
>>    due
>>         to
>>              the
>>              >           LNC-Business
>>              >              list by July 19, 2018 at 11:59:59pm 
>> Pacific
>>         time.
>>              >      Co-Sponsors:
>>              >           Bowden,
>>              >              Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
>>              >              Motion: Move that the LNC would have an 
>> audit
>>    of
>>         the
>>              At
>>              >      Large
>>              >           ballots
>>              >              done by two independent auditors appointed 
>> by
>>         the
>>              Chair,
>>              > ie
>>              >           someone not
>>              >              in the race.  You can keep track of the
>>         Secretary's
>>              manual
>>              >      tally
>>              >           of
>> 
>>                >              votes here:
>>      [1][2][3][4][5][6]https://tinyurl.
>>           com/lncvoting
>>                >              --
>>                >              --
>>                >              In Liberty,
>>                >              Caryn Ann Harlos
>>                >              Libertarian Party and Libertarian 
>> National
>>           Committee
>>                >      Secretary
>>                >              - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
>>           Secretary at LP.org.
>>                >              Chair, LP Historical Preservation 
>> Committee
>>      -
>>                > LPedia at LP.org
>>                >              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>                >              We defend your rights
>>                >              And oppose the use of force
>>                >              Taxation is theft
>>                >           References
>>                >              1. [3][4][5][6][7]https://tinyurl.
>>      com/lncvoting
>>                >              2. mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>                >      References
>>                >         1. mailto:[5][6][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>                >         2. [6][7][8][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>                >         3. [7][8][9][10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>                >         4. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>                >
>>                >    --
>>                >
>>                >    --
>>                >    In Liberty,
>>                >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>                >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National 
>> Committee
>>           Secretary
>>                >    - [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>                >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>           LPedia at LP.org
>>                >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>                >    We defend your rights
>>                >    And oppose the use of force
>>                >    Taxation is theft
>>                >
>>                > References
>>                >
>>                >    1. mailto:[9][10][11]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>                >    2. mailto:[10][11][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>                >    3. [11][12][13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>                >    4. [12][13][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>                >    5. mailto:[13][14][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>                >    6. [14][15][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>                >    7. [15][16][17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>                >    8. mailto:[16]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>                >    9. mailto:[17]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>                --
>>                JBH
>>                ------------
>>                Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>                LNC Member (At-Large)
>>                [18][17][18]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>                [19][18][19]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>              --
>>              --
>>              In Liberty,
>>              Caryn Ann Harlos
>>              Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>      Secretary
>>              - [20]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>              Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - 
>> LPedia at LP.org
>>              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>              We defend your rights
>>              And oppose the use of force
>>              Taxation is theft
>>           References
>>              1. mailto:[19][20]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>              2. mailto:[20][21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>              3. mailto:[21][22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>              4. [22][23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>              5. [23][24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>              6. mailto:[24][25]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>              7. [25][26]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>              8. [26][27]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>              9. mailto:[27][28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>             10. mailto:[28][29]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>             11. [29][30]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>             12. [30][31]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>             13. mailto:[31][32]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>             14. [32][33]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>             15. [33][34]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>             16. mailto:[34]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>             17. mailto:[35]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>             18. mailto:[36][35]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>             19. [37][36]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>             20. mailto:[38]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>      References
>>         1. mailto:[37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>         2. mailto:[38]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>         3. mailto:[39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>         4. mailto:[40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>         5. [41]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>         6. [42]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>         7. mailto:[43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>         8. [44]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>         9. [45]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        10. mailto:[46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        11. mailto:[47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        12. [48]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        13. [49]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        14. mailto:[50]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        15. [51]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        16. [52]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        17. mailto:[53]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>        18. [54]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>        19. mailto:[55]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>        20. mailto:[56]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        21. mailto:[57]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        22. [58]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        23. [59]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        24. mailto:[60]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        25. [61]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        26. [62]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        27. mailto:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        28. mailto:[64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        29. [65]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        30. [66]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        31. mailto:[67]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>        32. [68]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        33. [69]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>        34. mailto:[70]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>        35. mailto:[71]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>        36. mailto:[72]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>        37. [73]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>        38. mailto:[74]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>    - [75]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    3. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>    4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    6. https://tinyurl/
>>    7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>    8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   10. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   11. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   17. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   18. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   19. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>   20. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   22. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   25. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   26. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   27. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   29. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   30. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   31. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   32. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   33. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   34. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   35. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   36. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>   37. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   38. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   39. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   40. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   41. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   42. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   43. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   44. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   45. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   46. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   47. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   48. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   49. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>>   51. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   52. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   53. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   54. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>   55. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   56. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   57. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   58. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   59. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   60. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   61. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   62. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   63. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   64. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   65. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   66. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   67. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   68. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   69. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>   70. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   71. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   72. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>   73. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>   74. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   75. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org



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