[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location
Richard Longstreth
richard.longstreth at lp.org
Thu Jul 19 01:39:43 EDT 2018
Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those reasons.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:
> And there are liability concerns.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those Friday
> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is OPTIONAL. I
> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is zero
> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours at
> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There may be a
> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>
> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's house.
> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to leave,
> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big show
> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban guests to
> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
>
> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this a
> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated by
> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>
> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think keeping
> a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none of
> us will have.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>
>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE ARE
>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
>>
>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>
>>
>> https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-of-2000-libertarian-conv-1819565649
>>
>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he doesn't
>> understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no surprise.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I vote no.
>>>
>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A business
>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women, in
>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not know --
>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to members outside
>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my husband I
>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
>>>
>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business. You
>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated. Where do
>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it has
>>> happened.
>>>
>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
>>> unforseens.
>>>
>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes for
>>> these reasons.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if you
>>>> have
>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>>>> answers.
>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea prior
>>>> to
>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by reading
>>>> the
>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
>>>> have
>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his response
>>>> before asking more.
>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because Mr
>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be asking
>>>> this question.
>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>>>> aren't
>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The average
>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>>>> stay
>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt to
>>>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on the
>>>> LNC
>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether that
>>>> is
>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or something
>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands, by
>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a consideration
>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>>>> offer
>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like sardines
>>>> to
>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>>>> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high for
>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of the
>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are the
>>>> room
>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>>>> ---
>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> On 2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on average?
>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>> > <[1][2]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>>>> nearest
>>>> > hotel?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>>> Lnc-business
>>>> > <[2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
>>>> move
>>>> > to
>>>> > set
>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
>>>> Donna
>>>> > Hancock.
>>>> > ===
>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>>>> that
>>>> they
>>>> > have
>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
>>>> The
>>>> > meeting
>>>> > location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
>>>> where
>>>> > we
>>>> > are at
>>>> > as far as determining a location. After asking the
>>>> question
>>>> > last
>>>> > week
>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>>>> the
>>>> > location
>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>>>> everyone
>>>> > to
>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>>>> includes
>>>> > comments
>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>> > Region 1 Representative
>>>> > --
>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
>>>> UT,
>>>> > WA,
>>>> > WY)
>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>> > [1][3][4]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> > [5]931.538.9300
>>>> > References
>>>> > 1. mailto:[4][6]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> >
>>>> > References
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. mailto:[7]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> > 2. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> > 3. mailto:[9]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> > 4. mailto:[10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> [11]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 2. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 4. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 5. tel:(931) 538-9300
>>>> 6. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 7. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>> 8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> 9. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 10. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 11. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
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Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
reasons.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
And there are liability concerns.
-Caryn Ann
And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has been someone
I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has
to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about executive
session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for the
toilet?
It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this
a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
who know none of us will have.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. WE ARE
THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
Let's not make this look reasonable.
[3]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-of-2000-
libertarian-conv-1819565649
Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
surprise.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A business
meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women, in
general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house that
he doesn't know.
It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business. You
never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated. Where
do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it
has happened.
Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
unforseens.
Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
for these reasons.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
<[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
the
questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if
you have
quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
answers.
I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
prior to
having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
reading the
email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements.
I have
also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
response
before asking more.
Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
because Mr
Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
asking
this question.
Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
aren't
looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
average
Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
stay
in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
attempt to
find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
the LNC
will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
that is
from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
something
else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
by
not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
consideration
before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
offer
at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
sardines to
save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
<[1][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
for
September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
the
monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
thunderstorms or humidity.
Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
the
room
rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
> Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
average?
> Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> <[1][2][7]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>
> How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
nearest
> hotel?
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2][3][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
move
> to
> set
> the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
Donna
> Hancock.
> ===
> Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
that
they
> have
> the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
The
> meeting
> location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
where
> we
> are at
> as far as determining a location. After asking the
question
> last
> week
> and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
the
> location
> ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
everyone
> to
> review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
includes
> comments
> from Ernie, the homeowner.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1][3][4][9]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [5]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[4][6][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7][11]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9][13]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10][14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[11][15]richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
References
1. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[17]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
3. mailto:[18]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[19]richard.longstreth at lp.org
5. tel:(931) 538-9300
6. mailto:[20]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto:[21]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
8. mailto:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[23]richard.longstreth at lp.org
10. mailto:[24]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto:[25]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [26]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [27]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[29]richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
References
1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-of-2000-libertarian-conv-1819565649
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
10. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
14. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
15. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
18. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
19. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
20. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
21. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
22. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
23. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
24. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
25. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
27. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
28. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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