[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jul 19 10:17:37 EDT 2018


Most people don't realize that Sam.  And perhaps we should put out a
donation jar.

When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no issue
with that.  I want us to be professional.  Why?  Because it is effective.
I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional as well as
somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics."  That is a shallow view of
that.  Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't serving a
purpose is just being ineffective.

Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
environment.  If that statement is controversial to any reader, we don't
live in the same world with the same colour sky.

Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it more
expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great deal.  We
shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and more
disruptive to lives than necessary.

We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and I
guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting.  I guess I do that at
3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights.  And that is
an uber to the supermarket.  And leave it behind....

As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
*party.*  Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded.  Are we willing
to put kind-hearted party members through that?  So for this situations, I
think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy.  That's
probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other expenditures.
(though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to the
current policy)

There is also a very definite loss to business.  How so?  Having the
meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least gather
there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out together
and more team-building that helps business gets done then.  This travel to
some off site location and then us scattered in our various hotels isolates
us from each other.

This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish.  The *cost* is
actually higher.

The unintended consequences are large.

-Caryn Ann

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> John,
>
> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.  Typically we use a
> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a certain
> number of hotel rooms used by participants.  You
> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset that cost.
>
> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
> expense for travel and lodging.  I doubt most dues paying
> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4 months
> for those doing the party's business.
>
> Live Free,
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-07-19 08:16, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some I
>>    had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every one else
>>    knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
>>    Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the side of
>>    no out of respect for those.
>>    I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
>>    perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset that
>>    cost.
>>    John Phillips
>>    Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>    Cell [1]217-412-5973
>>
>>    ------ Original message------
>>    From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>    Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
>>    To: Richard Longstreth;
>>    Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
>>    Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
>>    September Meeting Location
>> Thank you for considering my points.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And there are liability concerns.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal.  "But what about those
>>>> Friday
>>>> night parties?"  A party is a totally different context and is
>>>> OPTIONAL.  I
>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is zero
>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours
>>>> at
>>>> most.     And each time so far, it has been someone I know.  There may
>>>> be a
>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>>>>
>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's house.
>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
>>>> snack for fear of being too messy.  And if someone just wants to leave,
>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
>>>> show
>>>> of it and get an uber.  And what about executive session?  We ban
>>>> guests to
>>>> the back yard?  Stand in line for the toilet?
>>>>
>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
>>>> about them.  My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off.  My frustration is that this a
>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated by
>>>> him like nothing.  He knows my frustration at this.
>>>>
>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere.  I understand
>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
>>>> atmospheres.  You can't please everyone.  Ever.  But I don't think
>>>> keeping
>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none
>>>> of
>>>> us will have.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> [3] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this.  It is highly
>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances.  *WE ARE
>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> [4]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5]1819565649
>>>>>
>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
>>>>> doesn't understand them.  I told him this so this criticism is no
>>>>> surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> [6] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.  A business
>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.  Women, in
>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
>>>>>> know --
>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members.  I am referring to members
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> of that.  I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
>>>>>> husband I
>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable.  And it is uncomfortable for business.  You
>>>>>> never know what can come up.  And sometimes things get heated.  Where
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you storm off to?  The back yard?  I have never stormed off but it has
>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely not.  What if someone gets ill?  There are a WHOLE lot of
>>>>>> unforseens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
>>>>>> for these reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> [7] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
>>>>>>>    questions answered and a ballot declared.  I would ask that if you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>    quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>    I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
>>>>>>> prior to
>>>>>>>    having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>>>>>>>    determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>>>>>>    I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>    email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>    also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>    before asking more.
>>>>>>>    Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because
>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>>    Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>    this question.
>>>>>>>    Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>    looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>>>>>>>    Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>>>>>>>    average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>    Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>>>>>>> stay
>>>>>>>    in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>    find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>>>>>>>    temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>>>>>>    The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>    will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>    from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>    else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>    not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>>>    before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>>    at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
>>>>>>> sardines
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>    save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>>>>>>    Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>    <[1[8]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>      September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>      monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>>>>>>>      thunderstorms or humidity.
>>>>>>>      Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>      room
>>>>>>>      rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>>>>>>>      ---
>>>>>>>      Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>      Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>      On [9]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>      > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
>>>>>>> average?
>>>>>>>      >    Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>>      >    <[1][2[10]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >    How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>>>>>>>      nearest
>>>>>>>      > hotel?
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>>>>>>      Lnc-business
>>>>>>>      >    <[2][3[11]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >         Motion: In order to save the general membership
>>>>>>> funds, I
>>>>>>>      move
>>>>>>>      > to
>>>>>>>      >      set
>>>>>>>      >         the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>      Donna
>>>>>>>      >      Hancock.
>>>>>>>      >         ===
>>>>>>>      >         Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>      they
>>>>>>>      >      have
>>>>>>>      >         the space available, at no charge, to host our
>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>>      The
>>>>>>>      >      meeting
>>>>>>>      >         location has not currently been set and I am unaware
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>      where
>>>>>>>      > we
>>>>>>>      >      are at
>>>>>>>      >         as far as determining a location. After asking the
>>>>>>>      question
>>>>>>>      > last
>>>>>>>      >      week
>>>>>>>      >         and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>      >      location
>>>>>>>      >         ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>>>>>>>      everyone
>>>>>>>      > to
>>>>>>>      >         review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>>>>>>>      includes
>>>>>>>      >      comments
>>>>>>>      >         from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>>>>>>      >         Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>>      >         Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>>      >         --
>>>>>>>      >         Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>>      >         Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
>>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>>      UT,
>>>>>>>      > WA,
>>>>>>>      >      WY)
>>>>>>>      >         Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>      >         [1][3][4[12]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>      >         [5][13]931.538.9300
>>>>>>>      >      References
>>>>>>>      >         1. mailto:[4][6[14]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      > References
>>>>>>>      >
>>>>>>>      >    1. mailto:[7[15]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>      >    2. mailto:[8[16]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>      >    3. mailto:[9[17]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>      >    4. mailto:[10[18]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>>    Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>>>>>>> WY)
>>>>>>>    Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>    [11[19]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>    [20]931.538.9300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    1. mailto[21]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>    2. mailto[22]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>    3. mailto[23]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>    4. mailto[24]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>    5. tel:[25](931) 538-9300
>>>>>>>    6. mailto[26]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>    7. mailto[27]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>    8. mailto[28]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>    9. mailto[29]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>   10. mailto[30]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>   11. mailto[31]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ann.
>>
>>> [33] Harlos at LP.org  or[34] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
>>>>>
>>>> nn.
>>
>>> [37] Harlos at LP.org  or[38] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> [40]Caryn.An
>>>>
>>> n.
>>
>>> [41] Harlos at LP.org  or[42] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [44] richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [45]931.538.9300
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> [46]Caryn.Ann.[
>> 47]
>> Harlos at LP.org  or[48] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49] LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>    Thank you for considering my points.
>>    -Caryn Ann
>>
>>    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
>>    <[1[50]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>      Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
>>      viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
>>      reasons.
>>
>>    Richard
>>    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    <[2[51]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>    And there are liability concerns.
>>    -Caryn Ann
>>    And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal.  "But what about those
>>    Friday night parties?"  A party is a totally different context and is
>>    OPTIONAL.  I go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
>>    there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
>>    couple of hours at most.     And each time so far, it has been someone
>>    I know.  There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>>    Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
>>    house.  Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
>>    wanting to snack for fear of being too messy.  And if someone just
>>    wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has
>>    to make a big show of it and get an uber.  And what about executive
>>    session?  We ban guests to the back yard?  Stand in line for the
>>    toilet?
>>    It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
>>    about them.  My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
>>    Starchild for years and just brushed off.  My frustration is that this
>>    a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
>>    by him like nothing.  He knows my frustration at this.
>>    Business for most people requires a business atmosphere.  I understand
>>    that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
>>    atmospheres.  You can't please everyone.  Ever.  But I don't think
>>    keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
>>    outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
>>    who know none of us will have.
>>
>>    -Caryn Ann
>>
>>    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    <[3[52]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>    Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>    I have fought with Starchild for two years on this.  It is highly
>>    prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>>    uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances.  WE ARE
>>    THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
>>    Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>    [4][53]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>>    of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54]1819565649
>>    Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
>>    doesn't understand them.  I told him this so this criticism is no
>>    surprise.
>>    -Caryn Ann
>>
>>    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    <[5[55]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>    I vote no.
>>    I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.  A business
>>    meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.  Women, in
>>    general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
>>    know -- I am not referring to committee members.  I am referring to
>>    members outside of that.  I *would never* travel elsewhere
>>    unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house that
>>    he doesn't know.
>>    It is very uncomfortable.  And it is uncomfortable for business.  You
>>    never know what can come up.  And sometimes things get heated.  Where
>>    do you storm off to?  The back yard?  I have never stormed off but it
>>    has happened.
>>    Absolutely not.  What if someone gets ill?  There are a WHOLE lot of
>>    unforseens.
>>    Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
>>    for these reasons.
>>    -Caryn Ann
>>
>>    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>    <[6[56]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>         Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
>>      the
>>         questions answered and a ballot declared.  I would ask that if
>>      you have
>>         quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>>      answers.
>>         I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
>>      prior to
>>         having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>>         determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>         I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
>>      reading the
>>         email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements.
>>      I have
>>         also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
>>      response
>>         before asking more.
>>         Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
>>      because Mr
>>         Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
>>      asking
>>         this question.
>>         Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>>      aren't
>>         looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>>         Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>>         average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
>>      average
>>         Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>>      stay
>>         in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
>>      attempt to
>>         find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>>         temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>         The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
>>      the LNC
>>         will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
>>      that is
>>         from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
>>      something
>>         else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
>>      by
>>         not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>>      consideration
>>         before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>>      offer
>>         at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
>>      sardines to
>>         save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>         Richard
>>         On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>>         <[1][7[57]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>           Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
>>      for
>>           September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
>>      the
>>           monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>>           thunderstorms or humidity.
>>           Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
>>      the
>>           room
>>           rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>>           ---
>>           Tim Hagan
>>           Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>           On [58]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>>           > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
>>      average?
>>           >    Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>>           >
>>           >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>           >    <[1][2][8[59]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>           >
>>           >    How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>>           nearest
>>           > hotel?
>>           >
>>           >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>           Lnc-business
>>
>>         >    <[2][3][9[60]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >         Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
>>         move
>>         > to
>>         >      set
>>         >         the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
>>         Donna
>>         >      Hancock.
>>         >         ===
>>         >         Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>>    that
>>         they
>>         >      have
>>         >         the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
>>         The
>>         >      meeting
>>         >         location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
>>         where
>>         > we
>>         >      are at
>>         >         as far as determining a location. After asking the
>>         question
>>         > last
>>         >      week
>>         >         and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>>    the
>>         >      location
>>         >         ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>>         everyone
>>         > to
>>         >         review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>>         includes
>>         >      comments
>>         >         from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>         >         Richard Longstreth
>>         >         Region 1 Representative
>>         >         --
>>         >         Richard Longstreth
>>         >         Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
>>         UT,
>>         > WA,
>>         >      WY)
>>         >         Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>           >         [1][3][4][10[61]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>           >         [5][62]931.538.9300
>>           >      References
>>           >         1. mailto:[4][6][11[63]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>           >
>>           > References
>>           >
>>           >    1. mailto:[7][12[64]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>           >    2. mailto:[8][13[65]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>           >    3. mailto:[9][14[66]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>           >    4. mailto:[10][15[67]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>         --
>>         Richard Longstreth
>>         Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>>      WY)
>>         Libertarian National Committee
>>         [11][16[68]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>         [69]931.538.9300
>>      References
>>
>>       1. mailto:[17[70]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>       2. mailto:[18[71]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>       3. mailto:[19[72]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>       4. mailto:[20[73]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>       5. tel:[74](931) 538-9300
>>       6. mailto:[21[75]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>       7. mailto:[22[76]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>       8. mailto:[23[77]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>       9. mailto:[24[78]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>      10. mailto:[25[79]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>      11. mailto:[26[80]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>    - [27][81]Caryn.Ann.[82] Harlos at LP.org or[83] Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84] LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>    - [28][85]Caryn.Ann.[86] Harlos at LP.org or[87] Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88] LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>    - [29][89]Caryn.Ann.[90] Harlos at LP.org or[91] Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92] LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>>      --
>>
>>    Richard Longstreth
>>    Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>>    Libertarian National Committee
>>    [30[93]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>    [94]931.538.9300
>>
>>    --
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>    - [31][95]Caryn.Ann.[96] Harlos at LP.org or[97] Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98] LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. mailto[99]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>    2. mailto[100]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>    3. mailto[101]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>    4. [102]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-
>> site-of-2000-l
>> ibertarian-conv-1819565649
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>>    6. mailto[104]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    7. mailto[105]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    8. mailto[106]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>    9. mailto[107]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   10. mailto[108]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   11. mailto[109]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   12. mailto[110]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   13. mailto[111]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   14. mailto[112]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   15. mailto[113]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   16. mailto[114]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   17. mailto[115]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   18. mailto[116]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   19. mailto[117]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   20. mailto[118]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   21. mailto[119]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   22. mailto[120]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   23. mailto[121]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   24. mailto[122]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   25. mailto[123]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   26. mailto[124]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   27. mailto[125]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   28. mailto[126]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   29. mailto[127]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>   30. mailto[128]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   31. mailto[129]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. tel:217-412-5973
>>    2. mailto:
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>    3. mailto: caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>    4. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>>    5. tel:1819565649
>>    6. mailto: caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>    7. mailto: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    8. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>    9. tel:2018-07-18 20
>>   10. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   11. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   12. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   13. tel:931.538.9300
>>   14. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   15. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   16. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   17. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   18. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   19. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   20. tel:931.538.9300
>>   21. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   22. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   23. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   24. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   25. tel:(931) 538-9300
>>   26. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   27. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>   28. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   29. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   30. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   31. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   32. http://Caryn.An/
>>   33. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   34. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>>   35. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>>   36. http://Caryn.An/
>>   37. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   38. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>>   39. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>>   40. http://Caryn.An/
>>   41. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   42. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>>   43. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>>   44. mailto: richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   45. tel:931.538.9300
>>   46. http://Caryn.An/
>>   47. mailto:
>> Harlos at LP.org
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>>   52. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>   53. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>>   54. tel:1819565649
>>   55. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>   56. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   57. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>   58. tel:2018-07-18 20
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>>   61. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   62. tel:931.538.9300
>>   63. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>>   66. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   67. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   68. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   69. tel:931.538.9300
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>>   71. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
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>>   73. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   74. tel:(931) 538-9300
>>       6
>>   75. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>>   79. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   80. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>   81. http://Caryn.An/
>>   82. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   83. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>>   84. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>>   85. http://Caryn.An/
>>   86. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   87. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>>   88. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>>   89. http://Caryn.An/
>>   90. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   91. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
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>>   94. tel:931.538.9300
>>   95. http://Caryn.An/
>>   96. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>>   97. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>>   98. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>>   99. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  100. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>  101. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>  102.
>> https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-1819565649
>>  103. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>  104. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>  105. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>  107. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>  108. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  109. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>>  112. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  113. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  114. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>>  117. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>  118. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  119. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  120. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>  121. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>  122. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  123. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  124. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  125. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>  126. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>  127. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>  128. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>  129. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>


-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   Most people don't realize that Sam.  And perhaps we should put out a
   donation jar.
   When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
   desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no
   issue with that.  I want us to be professional.  Why?  Because it is
   effective.  I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
   anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck respectability
   politics."  That is a shallow view of that.  Being a contrarian for the
   sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being ineffective.
   Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
   environment.  If that statement is controversial to any reader, we
   don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
   Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it
   more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
   deal.  We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is
   and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
   We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and
   I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting.  I guess I do that
   at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights.  And
   that is an uber to the supermarket.  And leave it behind....
   As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
   *party.*  Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
   things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded.  Are we
   willing to put kind-hearted party members through that?  So for this
   situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term liability
   policy.  That's probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the
   other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider
   could be added to the current policy)
   There is also a very definite loss to business.  How so?  Having the
   meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least
   gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
   together and more team-building that helps business gets done then.
   This travel to some off site location and then us scattered in our
   various hotels isolates us from each other.
   This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish.  The *cost* is
   actually higher.
   The unintended consequences are large.
   -Caryn Ann

   On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

     John,
     There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.  Typically we
     use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
     the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
     certain number of hotel rooms used by participants.  You
     can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset
     that cost.
     We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
     expense for travel and lodging.  I doubt most dues paying
     members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4
     months for those doing the party's business.
     Live Free,
     ---
     Sam Goldstein
     Libertarian National Committee
     317-850-0726 Cell
     On 2018-07-19 08:16, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:

     Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some
     I
        had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every
     one else
        knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
        Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the
     side of
        no out of respect for those.
        I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
        perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset
     that
        cost.
        John Phillips
        Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
        Cell [1]217-412-5973
        ------ Original message------
        From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
        Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
        To: Richard Longstreth;
        Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
        Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
        September Meeting Location
     Thank you for considering my points.
     -Caryn Ann
     On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
     [2]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:

   Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
   viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
   reasons.
   Richard
   On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
   wrote:

   And there are liability concerns.
   -Caryn Ann
   And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal.  "But what about those
   Friday
   night parties?"  A party is a totally different context and is
   OPTIONAL.  I
   go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is
   zero
   chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours
   at
   most.     And each time so far, it has been someone I know.  There may
   be a
   time where I don't go to the Friday party.
   Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
   house.
   Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
   snack for fear of being too messy.  And if someone just wants to leave,
   rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
   show
   of it and get an uber.  And what about executive session?  We ban
   guests to
   the back yard?  Stand in line for the toilet?
   It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
   about them.  My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
   Starchild for years and just brushed off.  My frustration is that this
   a
   real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
   by
   him like nothing.  He knows my frustration at this.
   Business for most people requires a business atmosphere.  I understand
   that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
   atmospheres.  You can't please everyone.  Ever.  But I don't think
   keeping
   a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
   particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none
   of
   us will have.
   -Caryn Ann
   On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <

     [3] [3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

     Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
     I have fought with Starchild for two years on this.  It is highly
     prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
     uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances.  *WE
     ARE
     THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
     Let's not make this look reasonable.
     [4][4]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
     of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5]1819565649
     Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
     doesn't understand them.  I told him this so this criticism is no
     surprise.
     -Caryn Ann
     On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
     [6] [5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

     I vote no.
     I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.  A
     business
     meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.  Women,
     in
     general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
     know --
     I am not referring to committee members.  I am referring to members
     outside
     of that.  I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
     husband I
     would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
     It is very uncomfortable.  And it is uncomfortable for business.
     You
     never know what can come up.  And sometimes things get heated.
     Where do
     you storm off to?  The back yard?  I have never stormed off but it
     has
     happened.
     Absolutely not.  What if someone gets ill?  There are a WHOLE lot of
     unforseens.
     Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
     for these reasons.
     -Caryn Ann
     On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
     Lnc-business <
     [7] [6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

      Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
      questions answered and a ballot declared.  I would ask that if you
   have
      quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
   answers.
      I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
   prior to
      having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
      determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
      I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by reading
   the
      email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
   have
      also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
   response
      before asking more.
      Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because
   Mr
      Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be asking
      this question.
      Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
   aren't
      looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
      Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
      average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The average
      Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
   stay
      in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt
   to
      find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
      temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
      The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on the
   LNC
      will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether that
   is
      from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or something
      else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands, by
      not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
   consideration
      before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
   offer
      at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like sardines
   to
      save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
      Richard
      On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business

        <[1[8]][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
          Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
     for
          September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
     the
          monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
          thunderstorms or humidity.
          Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
     the
          room
          rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
          ---
          Tim Hagan
          Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
          On [9]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
          > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
     average?
          >    Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
          >
          >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
          >    <[1][2[10]][8]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
          >
          >    How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
          nearest
          > hotel?
          >
          >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
          Lnc-business

        >    <[2][3[11]][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
        >
        >         Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
        move
        > to
        >      set
        >         the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
        Donna
        >      Hancock.
        >         ===
        >         Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
   that
        they
        >      have
        >         the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
        The
        >      meeting
        >         location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
        where
        > we
        >      are at
        >         as far as determining a location. After asking the
        question
        > last
        >      week
        >         and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
   the
        >      location
        >         ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
        everyone
        > to
        >         review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
        includes
        >      comments
        >         from Ernie, the homeowner.
        >         Richard Longstreth
        >         Region 1 Representative
        >         --
        >         Richard Longstreth
        >         Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
        UT,
        > WA,
        >      WY)
        >         Libertarian National Committee

          >         [1][3][4[12]][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
          >         [5][13]931.538.9300
          >      References
          >         1. mailto:[4][6[14]][11]richard.longstreth at lp.org
          >
          > References
          >
          >    1. mailto:[7[15]][12]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
          >    2. mailto:[8[16]][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
          >    3. mailto:[9[17]][14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
          >    4. mailto:[10[18]][15]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        --
        Richard Longstreth
        Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
     WY)
        Libertarian National Committee
        [11[19]][16]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        [20]931.538.9300
     References
        1. mailto[21]:[17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        2. mailto[22]:[18]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
        3. mailto[23]:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        4. mailto[24]:[20]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        5. tel:[25](931) 538-9300
        6. mailto[26]:[21]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        7. mailto[27]:[22]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
        8. mailto[28]:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        9. mailto[29]:[24]richard.longstreth at lp.org
       10. mailto[30]:[25]richard.longstreth at lp.org
       11. mailto[31]:[26]richard.longstreth at lp.org

     --
     --
     *In Liberty,*
     *Caryn Ann Harlos*
     Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
     [32]Caryn.

     Ann.

     [33] Harlos at LP.org  or[34] Secretary at LP.org.
     Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35] LPedia at LP.org
     A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     *We defend your rights*
     *And oppose the use of force*
     *Taxation is theft*

     --
     --
     *In Liberty,*
     *Caryn Ann Harlos*
     Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
     [36]Caryn.A

     nn.

     [37] Harlos at LP.org  or[38] Secretary at LP.org.
     Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39] LPedia at LP.org
     A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     *We defend your rights*
     *And oppose the use of force*
     *Taxation is theft*

     --
     --
     *In Liberty,*
     *Caryn Ann Harlos*
     Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
     [40]Caryn.An

     n.

     [41] Harlos at LP.org  or[42] Secretary at LP.org.
     Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43] LPedia at LP.org
     A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     *We defend your rights*
     *And oppose the use of force*
     *Taxation is theft*

     --
     Richard Longstreth
     Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
     Libertarian National Committee
     [44] [27]richard.longstreth at lp.org
     [45]931.538.9300

     --
     --
     *In Liberty,*
     *Caryn Ann Harlos*
     Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
     [46]Caryn.Ann.[
     47]
     Harlos at LP.org  or[48] Secretary at LP.org.
     Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49] LPedia at LP.org
     A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
     *We defend your rights*
     *And oppose the use of force*
     *Taxation is theft*
        Thank you for considering my points.
        -Caryn Ann
        On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
        <[1[50]][28]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
          Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered
     that
          viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
     those
          reasons.
        Richard
        On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos

      <[2[51]][29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
      And there are liability concerns.
      -Caryn Ann
      And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal.  "But what about those
      Friday night parties?"  A party is a totally different context and
   is
      OPTIONAL.  I go there were several members of the LNC that I know
   well,
      there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
      couple of hours at most.     And each time so far, it has been
   someone
      I know.  There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
      Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
      house.  Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
      wanting to snack for fear of being too messy.  And if someone just
      wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one
   has
      to make a big show of it and get an uber.  And what about executive
      session?  We ban guests to the back yard?  Stand in line for the
      toilet?
      It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this
   is
      about them.  My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
      Starchild for years and just brushed off.  My frustration is that
   this
      a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
   treated
      by him like nothing.  He knows my frustration at this.
      Business for most people requires a business atmosphere.  I
   understand
      that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
      atmospheres.  You can't please everyone.  Ever.  But I don't think
      keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
      outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
      who know none of us will have.
      -Caryn Ann
      On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos

        <[3[52]][30]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
        Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
        I have fought with Starchild for two years on this.  It is highly
        prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am
     very
        uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances.  WE
     ARE
        THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
        Let's not make this look reasonable.
        [4][53][31]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-
     as-site-
        of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54]1819565649
        Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
        doesn't understand them.  I told him this so this criticism is no
        surprise.
        -Caryn Ann
        On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
        <[5[55]][32]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
        I vote no.
        I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.  A
     business
        meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
     Women, in
        general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do
     not
        know -- I am not referring to committee members.  I am referring
     to
        members outside of that.  I *would never* travel elsewhere
        unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house
     that
        he doesn't know.
        It is very uncomfortable.  And it is uncomfortable for business.
     You
        never know what can come up.  And sometimes things get heated.
     Where
        do you storm off to?  The back yard?  I have never stormed off
     but it
        has happened.
        Absolutely not.  What if someone gets ill?  There are a WHOLE lot
     of
        unforseens.
        Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's
     homes
        for these reasons.
        -Caryn Ann
        On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
     Lnc-business

      <[6[56]][33]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
           Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
        the
           questions answered and a ballot declared.  I would ask that if
        you have
           quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
        answers.
           I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
        prior to
           having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
           determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
           I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
        reading the
           email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
   requirements.
        I have
           also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
        response
           before asking more.
           Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
        because Mr
           Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
        asking
           this question.
           Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
        aren't
           looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough
   the
           Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better
   than
           average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
        average
           Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
   typically
        stay
           in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
        attempt to
           find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
           temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
           The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
        the LNC
           will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
        that is
           from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
        something
           else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
   thousands,
        by
           not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
        consideration
           before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a
   free
        offer
           at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
        sardines to
           save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
           Richard
           On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business

             <[1][7[57]][34]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
               Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record
     high
          for
               September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end
     of
          the
               monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to
     have
               thunderstorms or humidity.
               Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What
     are
          the
               room
               rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
               ---
               Tim Hagan
               Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
               On [58]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
     wrote:
               > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
          average?
               >    Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
     proposal...
               >
               >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
               >    <[1][2][8[59]][35]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
               >
               >    How far is this place from the airport? How far from
     the
               nearest
               > hotel?
               >
               >    On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
               Lnc-business

           >    <[2][3][9[60]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
           >
           >         Motion: In order to save the general membership
   funds, I
           move
           > to
           >      set
           >         the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest
   and
           Donna
           >      Hancock.
           >         ===
           >         Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
      that
           they
           >      have
           >         the space available, at no charge, to host our
   meeting.
           The
           >      meeting
           >         location has not currently been set and I am unaware
   of
           where
           > we
           >      are at
           >         as far as determining a location. After asking the
           question
           > last
           >      week
           >         and getting no official answer, I am now moving to
   set
      the
           >      location
           >         ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
           everyone
           > to
           >         review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
           includes
           >      comments
           >         from Ernie, the homeowner.
           >         Richard Longstreth
           >         Region 1 Representative
           >         --
           >         Richard Longstreth
           >         Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
   HI,
           UT,
           > WA,
           >      WY)
           >         Libertarian National Committee

               >         [1][3][4][10[61]][37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
               >         [5][62]931.538.9300
               >      References
               >         1. mailto:[4][6][11[63]][38]richard.l
     ongstreth at lp.org
               >
               > References
               >
               >    1. mailto:[7][12[64]][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
               >    2. mailto:[8][13[65]][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
               >    3. mailto:[9][14[66]][41]richard.longstreth at lp.org
               >    4. mailto:[10][15[67]][42]richard.longstreth at lp.org
             --
             Richard Longstreth
             Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
     WA,
          WY)
             Libertarian National Committee
             [11][16[68]][43]richard.longstreth at lp.org
             [69]931.538.9300
          References
           1. mailto:[17[70]][44]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
           2. mailto:[18[71]][45]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
           3. mailto:[19[72]][46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
           4. mailto:[20[73]][47]richard.longstreth at lp.org
           5. tel:[74](931) 538-9300
           6. mailto:[21[75]][48]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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           8. mailto:[23[77]][50]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
           9. mailto:[24[78]][51]richard.longstreth at lp.org
          10. mailto:[25[79]][52]richard.longstreth at lp.org
          11. mailto:[26[80]][53]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [27][81]Caryn.Ann.[82] Harlos at LP.org or[83] Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84] LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [28][85]Caryn.Ann.[86] Harlos at LP.org or[87] Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88] LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [29][89]Caryn.Ann.[90] Harlos at LP.org or[91] Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92] LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
          --
        Richard Longstreth
        Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
     WY)
        Libertarian National Committee
        [30[93]][54]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        [94]931.538.9300
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [31][95]Caryn.Ann.[96] Harlos at LP.org or[97] Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98] LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
     References
        1. mailto[99]:[55]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        2. mailto[100]:[56]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
        3. mailto[101]:[57]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [170]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

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