[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Thu Jul 19 11:16:17 EDT 2018
At this point I would say the case is made to not take advantage of the offer at this time.
I will not be taking away from Starchild's valid concerns about cost, cheaper options are usually worth at least looking at.
I will also not take away from everyone's valid concerns about the other issues.
The wisest statement here was about penny wise, pound foolish. There is a cost/benefit analysis to everything.
Which is why I asked for an actual cost. I expect that the actual cost is somewhere in the middle of the options I have been presented. This is not an argument for this particular instance, in my mind that is already settled as a resounding no. It is merely an attempt to address valid questions brought by our membership, and not just Starchild, about expenditures and if there is an option for cheaper.
I spent more than 2 decades in the hospitality industry, and "free" use of a room is not really free, just like anything else that is claimed to be free. For example at the recent convention the price of food and drinks was astronomical compared to what was readily available locally. So looking at that cost/benefit is a valid concern.
I understand the frustration of dealing with questions you feel have already been dealt with, but SEVERAL of us are new here and have not taken part. So please keep that in mind, and let's all (including me admittedly) try to keep a more civil tone. At least on list.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-businessDate: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 9:17 AMTo: Libertarian National Committee list;Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location
Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out a
donation jar.
When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no issue
with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is effective.
I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional as well as
somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics." That is a shallow view of
that. Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't serving a
purpose is just being ineffective.
Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we don't
live in the same world with the same colour sky.
Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it more
expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great deal. We
shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and more
disruptive to lives than necessary.
We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and I
guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do that at
3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights. And that is
an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
*party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we willing
to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this situations, I
think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy. That's
probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other expenditures.
(though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to the
current policy)
There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having the
meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least gather
there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out together
and more team-building that helps business gets done then. This travel to
some off site location and then us scattered in our various hotels isolates
us from each other.
This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost* is
actually higher.
The unintended consequences are large.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> John,
>
> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically we use a
> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a certain
> number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset that cost.
>
> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4 months
> for those doing the party's business.
>
> Live Free,
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-07-19 08:16, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some I
>> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every one else
>> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
>> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the side of
>> no out of respect for those.
>> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
>> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset that
>> cost.
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
>> To: Richard Longstreth;
>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
>> September Meeting Location
>> Thank you for considering my points.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And there are liability concerns.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
>>>> Friday
>>>> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
>>>> OPTIONAL. I
>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is zero
>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours
>>>> at
>>>> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There may
>>>> be a
>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>>>>
>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's house.
>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
>>>> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to leave,
>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
>>>> show
>>>> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban
>>>> guests to
>>>> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
>>>>
>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
>>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this a
>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated by
>>>> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>>>>
>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
>>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
>>>> keeping
>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none
>>>> of
>>>> us will have.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> [3] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE ARE
>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> [4]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5]1819565649
>>>>>
>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
>>>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
>>>>> surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> [6] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A business
>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women, in
>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
>>>>>> know --
>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to members
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
>>>>>> husband I
>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business. You
>>>>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated. Where
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it has
>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
>>>>>> unforseens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
>>>>>> for these reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> [7] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
>>>>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
>>>>>>> prior to
>>>>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>>>>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>>>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>> before asking more.
>>>>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because
>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>> this question.
>>>>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>>>>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>>>>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>>>>>>> stay
>>>>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>>>>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>>>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
>>>>>>> sardines
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>>>>>>> <[1[8]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>>>>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>>>>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> On [9]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
>>>>>>> average?
>>>>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>> > <[1][2[10]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>>>>>>> nearest
>>>>>>> > hotel?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>> > <[2][3[11]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership
>>>>>>> funds, I
>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > set
>>>>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> > Hancock.
>>>>>>> > ===
>>>>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> > have
>>>>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our
>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> > meeting
>>>>>>> > location has not currently been set and I am unaware
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>> > are at
>>>>>>> > as far as determining a location. After asking the
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>> > last
>>>>>>> > week
>>>>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > location
>>>>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> > comments
>>>>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
>>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>> UT,
>>>>>>> > WA,
>>>>>>> > WY)
>>>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> > [1][3][4[12]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> > [5][13]931.538.9300
>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[4][6[14]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[7[15]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:[8[16]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> > 3. mailto:[9[17]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> > 4. mailto:[10[18]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>>>>>>> WY)
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> [11[19]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> [20]931.538.9300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. mailto[21]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> 2. mailto[22]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>> 3. mailto[23]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> 4. mailto[24]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 5. tel:[25](931) 538-9300
>>>>>>> 6. mailto[26]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 7. mailto[27]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>> 8. mailto[28]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> 9. mailto[29]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 10. mailto[30]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 11. mailto[31]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ann.
>>
>>> [33] Harlos at LP.org or[34] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
>>>>>
>>>> nn.
>>
>>> [37] Harlos at LP.org or[38] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> [40]Caryn.An
>>>>
>>> n.
>>
>>> [41] Harlos at LP.org or[42] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [44] richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [45]931.538.9300
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> [46]Caryn.Ann.[
>> 47]
>> Harlos at LP.org or[48] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49] LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>> Thank you for considering my points.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
>> <[1[50]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
>> reasons.
>>
>> Richard
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2[51]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> And there are liability concerns.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
>> Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
>> OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
>> there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
>> couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has been someone
>> I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
>> house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
>> wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
>> wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has
>> to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about executive
>> session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for the
>> toilet?
>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this
>> a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
>> by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
>> keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
>> outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
>> who know none of us will have.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[3[52]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. WE ARE
>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>> [4][53]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54]1819565649
>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
>> surprise.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[5[55]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I vote no.
>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A business
>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women, in
>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
>> know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
>> members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
>> unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house that
>> he doesn't know.
>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business. You
>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated. Where
>> do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it
>> has happened.
>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
>> unforseens.
>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
>> for these reasons.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>> <[6[56]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
>> the
>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if
>> you have
>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>> answers.
>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
>> prior to
>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
>> reading the
>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements.
>> I have
>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
>> response
>> before asking more.
>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
>> because Mr
>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
>> asking
>> this question.
>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>> aren't
>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
>> average
>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>> stay
>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
>> attempt to
>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
>> the LNC
>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
>> that is
>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
>> something
>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
>> by
>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>> consideration
>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>> offer
>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
>> sardines to
>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>> Richard
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>> <[1][7[57]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
>> for
>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
>> the
>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
>> the
>> room
>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>> ---
>> Tim Hagan
>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> On [58]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
>> average?
>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>> > <[1][2][8[59]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>> nearest
>> > hotel?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> Lnc-business
>>
>> > <[2][3][9[60]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
>> move
>> > to
>> > set
>> > the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
>> Donna
>> > Hancock.
>> > ===
>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>> that
>> they
>> > have
>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
>> The
>> > meeting
>> > location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
>> where
>> > we
>> > are at
>> > as far as determining a location. After asking the
>> question
>> > last
>> > week
>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>> the
>> > location
>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>> everyone
>> > to
>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>> includes
>> > comments
>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative
>> > --
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
>> UT,
>> > WA,
>> > WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> > [1][3][4][10[61]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > [5][62]931.538.9300
>> > References
>> > 1. mailto:[4][6][11[63]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:[7][12[64]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> > 2. mailto:[8][13[65]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 3. mailto:[9][14[66]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 4. mailto:[10][15[67]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> --
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [11][16[68]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> [69]931.538.9300
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[17[70]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[18[71]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[19[72]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[20[73]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 5. tel:[74](931) 538-9300
>> 6. mailto:[21[75]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 7. mailto:[22[76]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 8. mailto:[23[77]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. mailto:[24[78]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 10. mailto:[25[79]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 11. mailto:[26[80]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [27][81]Caryn.Ann.[82] Harlos at LP.org or[83] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [28][85]Caryn.Ann.[86] Harlos at LP.org or[87] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [29][89]Caryn.Ann.[90] Harlos at LP.org or[91] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [30[93]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> [94]931.538.9300
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [31][95]Caryn.Ann.[96] Harlos at LP.org or[97] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto[99]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 2. mailto[100]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto[101]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 4. [102]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-
>> site-of-2000-l
>> ibertarian-conv-1819565649
>> 5. mailto[103]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 6. mailto[104]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 7. mailto[105]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto[106]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 9. mailto[107]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 10. mailto[108]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 11. mailto[109]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 12. mailto[110]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 13. mailto[111]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. mailto[112]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 15. mailto[113]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 16. mailto[114]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 17. mailto[115]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 18. mailto[116]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 19. mailto[117]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 20. mailto[118]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 21. mailto[119]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 22. mailto[120]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 23. mailto[121]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 24. mailto[122]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 25. mailto[123]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 26. mailto[124]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 27. mailto[125]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 28. mailto[126]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 29. mailto[127]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 30. mailto[128]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 31. mailto[129]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. tel:217-412-5973
>> 2. mailto:
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 3. mailto: caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 4. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> 5. tel:1819565649
>> 6. mailto: caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 7. mailto: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. tel:2018-07-18 20
>> 10. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 11. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 12. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 13. tel:931.538.9300
>> 14. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 15. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 16. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 17. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 18. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 19. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 20. tel:931.538.9300
>> 21. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 22. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 23. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 24. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 25. tel:(931) 538-9300
>> 26. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 27. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 28. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 29. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 30. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 31. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 32. http://Caryn.An/
>> 33. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 34. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 35. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 36. http://Caryn.An/
>> 37. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 38. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 39. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 40. http://Caryn.An/
>> 41. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 42. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 43. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 44. mailto: richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 45. tel:931.538.9300
>> 46. http://Caryn.An/
>> 47. mailto:
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> 48. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 49. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 50. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 51. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 52. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 53. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> 54. tel:1819565649
>> 55. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 56. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 57. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 58. tel:2018-07-18 20
>> 59. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 60. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 61. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 62. tel:931.538.9300
>> 63. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 64. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 65. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 66. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 67. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 68. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 69. tel:931.538.9300
>> 70. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 71. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 72. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 73. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 74. tel:(931) 538-9300
>> 6
>> 75. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 76. mailto:]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 77. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 78. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 79. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 80. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 81. http://Caryn.An/
>> 82. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 83. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 84. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 85. http://Caryn.An/
>> 86. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 87. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 88. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 89. http://Caryn.An/
>> 90. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 91. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 92. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 93. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 94. tel:931.538.9300
>> 95. http://Caryn.An/
>> 96. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>> 97. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>> 98. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>> 99. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 100. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 101. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 102.
>> https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-1819565649
>> 103. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 104. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 105. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 106. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 107. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 108. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 109. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 110. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 111. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 112. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 113. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 114. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 115. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 116. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 117. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 118. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 119. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 120. mailto::whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 121. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 122. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 123. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 124. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 125. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 126. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 127. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 128. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 129. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out a
donation jar.
When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no
issue with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
effective. I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck respectability
politics." That is a shallow view of that. Being a contrarian for the
sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being ineffective.
Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we
don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it
more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
deal. We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is
and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and
I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do that
at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights. And
that is an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
*party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we
willing to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term liability
policy. That's probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the
other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider
could be added to the current policy)
There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having the
meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least
gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
together and more team-building that helps business gets done then.
This travel to some off site location and then us scattered in our
various hotels isolates us from each other.
This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost* is
actually higher.
The unintended consequences are large.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
John,
There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically we
use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
certain number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset
that cost.
We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4
months for those doing the party's business.
Live Free,
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-19 08:16, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some
I
had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every
one else
knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the
side of
no out of respect for those.
I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset
that
cost.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
To: Richard Longstreth;
Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
September Meeting Location
Thank you for considering my points.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
[2]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
reasons.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:
And there are liability concerns.
-Caryn Ann
And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
Friday
night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
OPTIONAL. I
go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is
zero
chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours
at
most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There may
be a
time where I don't go to the Friday party.
Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
house.
Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to leave,
rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
show
of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban
guests to
the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this
a
real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
by
him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
keeping
a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none
of
us will have.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
[3] [3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE
ARE
THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
Let's not make this look reasonable.
[4][4]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5]1819565649
Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
surprise.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
[6] [5]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
business
meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women,
in
general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
know --
I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to members
outside
of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
husband I
would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
You
never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
Where do
you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it
has
happened.
Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
unforseens.
Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
for these reasons.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business <
[7] [6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if you
have
quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
answers.
I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
prior to
having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by reading
the
email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
have
also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
response
before asking more.
Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because
Mr
Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be asking
this question.
Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
aren't
looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The average
Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
stay
in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt
to
find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on the
LNC
will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether that
is
from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or something
else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands, by
not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
consideration
before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
offer
at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like sardines
to
save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
<[1[8]][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
for
September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
the
monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
thunderstorms or humidity.
Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
the
room
rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On [9]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
> Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
average?
> Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> <[1][2[10]][8]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>
> How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
nearest
> hotel?
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2][3[11]][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
move
> to
> set
> the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
Donna
> Hancock.
> ===
> Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
that
they
> have
> the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
The
> meeting
> location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
where
> we
> are at
> as far as determining a location. After asking the
question
> last
> week
> and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
the
> location
> ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
everyone
> to
> review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
includes
> comments
> from Ernie, the homeowner.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1][3][4[12]][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [5][13]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[4][6[14]][11]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7[15]][12]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8[16]][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9[17]][14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10[18]][15]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[11[19]][16]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[20]931.538.9300
References
1. mailto[21]:[17]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto[22]:[18]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
3. mailto[23]:[19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto[24]:[20]richard.longstreth at lp.org
5. tel:[25](931) 538-9300
6. mailto[26]:[21]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto[27]:[22]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
8. mailto[28]:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto[29]:[24]richard.longstreth at lp.org
10. mailto[30]:[25]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto[31]:[26]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[32]Caryn.
Ann.
[33] Harlos at LP.org or[34] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[36]Caryn.A
nn.
[37] Harlos at LP.org or[38] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[40]Caryn.An
n.
[41] Harlos at LP.org or[42] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[44] [27]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[45]931.538.9300
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[46]Caryn.Ann.[
47]
Harlos at LP.org or[48] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
Thank you for considering my points.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
<[1[50]][28]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered
that
viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
those
reasons.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2[51]][29]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
And there are liability concerns.
-Caryn Ann
And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
is
OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I know
well,
there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has been
someone
I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one
has
to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about executive
session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for the
toilet?
It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this
is
about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that
this
a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
treated
by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
understand
that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
who know none of us will have.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[3[52]][30]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am
very
uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. WE
ARE
THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
Let's not make this look reasonable.
[4][53][31]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-
as-site-
of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54]1819565649
Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
surprise.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[5[55]][32]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
business
meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
Women, in
general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do
not
know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am referring
to
members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house
that
he doesn't know.
It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
You
never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
Where
do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off
but it
has happened.
Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot
of
unforseens.
Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's
homes
for these reasons.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
<[6[56]][33]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
the
questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if
you have
quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
answers.
I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
prior to
having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
reading the
email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
requirements.
I have
also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
response
before asking more.
Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
because Mr
Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
asking
this question.
Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
aren't
looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough
the
Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better
than
average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
average
Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
typically
stay
in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
attempt to
find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
the LNC
will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
that is
from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
something
else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
thousands,
by
not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
consideration
before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a
free
offer
at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
sardines to
save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
<[1][7[57]][34]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record
high
for
September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end
of
the
monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to
have
thunderstorms or humidity.
Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What
are
the
room
rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On [58]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
wrote:
> Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
average?
> Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
proposal...
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> <[1][2][8[59]][35]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>
> How far is this place from the airport? How far from
the
nearest
> hotel?
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2][3][9[60]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Motion: In order to save the general membership
funds, I
move
> to
> set
> the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest
and
Donna
> Hancock.
> ===
> Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
that
they
> have
> the space available, at no charge, to host our
meeting.
The
> meeting
> location has not currently been set and I am unaware
of
where
> we
> are at
> as far as determining a location. After asking the
question
> last
> week
> and getting no official answer, I am now moving to
set
the
> location
> ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
everyone
> to
> review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
includes
> comments
> from Ernie, the homeowner.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
HI,
UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1][3][4][10[61]][37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [5][62]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[4][6][11[63]][38]richard.l
ongstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7][12[64]][39]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8][13[65]][40]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9][14[66]][41]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10][15[67]][42]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[11][16[68]][43]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[69]931.538.9300
References
1. mailto:[17[70]][44]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[18[71]][45]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
3. mailto:[19[72]][46]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[20[73]][47]richard.longstreth at lp.org
5. tel:[74](931) 538-9300
6. mailto:[21[75]][48]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto:[22[76]][49]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
8. mailto:[23[77]][50]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[24[78]][51]richard.longstreth at lp.org
10. mailto:[25[79]][52]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto:[26[80]][53]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [27][81]Caryn.Ann.[82] Harlos at LP.org or[83] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [28][85]Caryn.Ann.[86] Harlos at LP.org or[87] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [29][89]Caryn.Ann.[90] Harlos at LP.org or[91] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[30[93]][54]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[94]931.538.9300
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [31][95]Caryn.Ann.[96] Harlos at LP.org or[97] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto[99]:[55]richard.longstreth at lp.org
2. mailto[100]:[56]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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123. mailto::[167]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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125. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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129. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [170]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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76. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
77. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
78. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
79. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
80. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
81. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
82. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
83. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
84. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
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86. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
87. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
88. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
89. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
90. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
91. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
92. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
93. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
94. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
95. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
96. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
97. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
98. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
99. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
100. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
101. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
102. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
103. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
104. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
105. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
106. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
107. http://Caryn.An/
108. http://Caryn.An/
109. http://Caryn.An/
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111. http://Caryn.An/
112. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
113. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
114. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
115. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
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118. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
119. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
120. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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122. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
123. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
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126. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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129. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
130. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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132. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
133. mailto:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
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137. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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149. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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170. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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At this point I would say the case is made to not take advantage of the
offer at this time.
I will not be taking away from Starchild's valid concerns about cost,
cheaper options are usually worth at least looking at.
I will also not take away from everyone's valid concerns about the
other issues.
The wisest statement here was about penny wise, pound foolish. There
is a cost/benefit analysis to everything.
Which is why I asked for an actual cost. I expect that the actual cost
is somewhere in the middle of the options I have been presented. This
is not an argument for this particular instance, in my mind that is
already settled as a resounding no. It is merely an attempt to address
valid questions brought by our membership, and not just Starchild,
about expenditures and if there is an option for cheaper.
I spent more than 2 decades in the hospitality industry, and "free" use
of a room is not really free, just like anything else that is claimed
to be free. For example at the recent convention the price of food and
drinks was astronomical compared to what was readily available
locally. So looking at that cost/benefit is a valid concern.
I understand the frustration of dealing with questions you feel have
already been dealt with, but SEVERAL of us are new here and have not
taken part. So please keep that in mind, and let's all (including me
admittedly) try to keep a more civil tone. At least on list.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Libertarian National Committee list;
Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
September Meeting Location
Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out a
donation jar.
When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no issue
with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is effective.
I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional as well as
somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics." That is a shallow view of
that. Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't serving a
purpose is just being ineffective.
Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we don't
live in the same world with the same colour sky.
Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it more
expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great deal. We
shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and more
disruptive to lives than necessary.
We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and I
guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do that at
3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights. And that is
an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
*party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we willing
to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this situations, I
think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy. That's
probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other expenditures.
(though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to the
current policy)
There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having the
meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least gather
there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out together
and more team-building that helps business gets done then. This travel to
some off site location and then us scattered in our various hotels isolates
us from each other.
This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost* is
actually higher.
The unintended consequences are large.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <[2]
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> John,
>
> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically we use a
> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a certain
> number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset that cost.
>
> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4 months
> for those doing the party's business.
>
> Live Free,
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> [3]317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On [4]2018-07-19 08:16, [5]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>
>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some I
>> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every one else
>> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
>> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the side of
>> no out of respect for those.
>> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
>> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset that
>> cost.
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell [1][6]217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
>> To: Richard Longstreth;
>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
>> September Meeting Location
>> Thank you for considering my points.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
>>[7] richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And there are liability concerns.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
>>>> Friday
>>>> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
>>>> OPTIONAL. I
>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is zero
>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours
>>>> at
>>>> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There may
>>>> be a
>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>>>>
>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's house.
>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
>>>> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to leave,
>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
>>>> show
>>>> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban
>>>> guests to
>>>> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
>>>>
>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
>>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this a
>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated by
>>>> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>>>>
>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
>>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
>>>> keeping
>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none
>>>> of
>>>> us will have.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> [3][8] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE ARE
>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> [4][9]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][10]1819565649
>>>>>
>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
>>>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
>>>>> surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> [6][11] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A business
>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women, in
>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
>>>>>> know --
>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to members
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
>>>>>> husband I
>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business. You
>>>>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated. Where
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it has
>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
>>>>>> unforseens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
>>>>>> for these reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> [7][12] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
>>>>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
>>>>>>> prior to
>>>>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>>>>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>>>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>> before asking more.
>>>>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because
>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>> this question.
>>>>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>>>>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>>>>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>>>>>>> stay
>>>>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>>>>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>>>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
>>>>>>> sardines
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>>>>>>> <[1[8][13]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>>>>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>>>>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> On [9][14]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
>>>>>>> average?
>>>>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>> > <[1][2[10][15]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>>>>>>> nearest
>>>>>>> > hotel?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>> > <[2][3[11][16]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership
>>>>>>> funds, I
>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > set
>>>>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> > Hancock.
>>>>>>> > ===
>>>>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> > have
>>>>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our
>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> > meeting
>>>>>>> > location has not currently been set and I am unaware
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>> > are at
>>>>>>> > as far as determining a location. After asking the
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>> > last
>>>>>>> > week
>>>>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > location
>>>>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> > comments
>>>>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
>>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>> UT,
>>>>>>> > WA,
>>>>>>> > WY)
>>>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> > [1][3][4[12][17]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> > [5][13][18]931.538.9300
>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[4][6[14][19]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[7[15][20]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:[8[16][21]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> > 3. mailto:[9[17][22]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> > 4. mailto:[10[18][23]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>>>>>>> WY)
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> [11[19][24]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> [20][25]931.538.9300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. mailto[21][26]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> 2. mailto[22][27]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>> 3. mailto[23][28]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> 4. mailto[24][29]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 5. tel:[25][30](931) 538-9300
>>>>>>> 6. mailto[26][31]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 7. mailto[27][32]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>> 8. mailto[28][33]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> 9. mailto[29][34]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 10. mailto[30][35]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>> 11. mailto[31][36]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ann.
>>
>>> [33][37] Harlos at LP.org or[34][38] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35][39] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
>>>>>
>>>> nn.
>>
>>> [37][40] Harlos at LP.org or[38][41] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39][42] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> [40][43]Caryn.An
>>>>
>>> n.
>>
>>> [41][44] Harlos at LP.org or[42][45] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43][46] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [44][47] richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [45][48]931.538.9300
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> [46][49]Caryn.Ann.[
>> 47]
>>[50] Harlos at LP.org or[48][51] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49][52] LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>> Thank you for considering my points.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
>> <[1[50][53]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
>> reasons.
>>
>> Richard
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2[51][54]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> And there are liability concerns.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
>> Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
>> OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
>> there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
>> couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has been someone
>> I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
>> house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
>> wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
>> wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has
>> to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about executive
>> session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for the
>> toilet?
>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this
>> a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
>> by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
>> keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
>> outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
>> who know none of us will have.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[3[52][55]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. WE ARE
>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>> [4][53][56]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54][57]1819565649
>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
>> surprise.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[5[55][58]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I vote no.
>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A business
>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women, in
>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
>> know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
>> members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
>> unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house that
>> he doesn't know.
>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business. You
>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated. Where
>> do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it
>> has happened.
>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
>> unforseens.
>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
>> for these reasons.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>> <[6[56][59]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
>> the
>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if
>> you have
>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
>> answers.
>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
>> prior to
>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
>> reading the
>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements.
>> I have
>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
>> response
>> before asking more.
>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
>> because Mr
>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
>> asking
>> this question.
>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
>> aren't
>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
>> average
>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
>> stay
>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
>> attempt to
>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
>> the LNC
>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
>> that is
>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
>> something
>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
>> by
>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>> consideration
>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
>> offer
>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
>> sardines to
>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>> Richard
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>> <[1][7[57][60]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
>> for
>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
>> the
>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
>> the
>> room
>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
>> ---
>> Tim Hagan
>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> On [58][61]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
>> average?
>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>> > <[1][2][8[59][62]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
>> nearest
>> > hotel?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
>> Lnc-business
>>
>> > <[2][3][9[60][63]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
>> move
>> > to
>> > set
>> > the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
>> Donna
>> > Hancock.
>> > ===
>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
>> that
>> they
>> > have
>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
>> The
>> > meeting
>> > location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
>> where
>> > we
>> > are at
>> > as far as determining a location. After asking the
>> question
>> > last
>> > week
>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
>> the
>> > location
>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
>> everyone
>> > to
>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
>> includes
>> > comments
>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative
>> > --
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
>> UT,
>> > WA,
>> > WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> > [1][3][4][10[61][64]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > [5][62][65]931.538.9300
>> > References
>> > 1. mailto:[4][6][11[63][66]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:[7][12[64][67]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> > 2. mailto:[8][13[65][68]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 3. mailto:[9][14[66][69]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 4. mailto:[10][15[67][70]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> --
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>> WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [11][16[68][71]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> [69][72]931.538.9300
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[17[70][73]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[18[71][74]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[19[72][75]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto:[20[73][76]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 5. tel:[74][77](931) 538-9300
>> 6. mailto:[21[75][78]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 7. mailto:[22[76][79]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 8. mailto:[23[77][80]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. mailto:[24[78][81]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 10. mailto:[25[79][82]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 11. mailto:[26[80][83]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [27][81][84]Caryn.Ann.[82][85] Harlos at LP.org or[83][86] Secretary at LP.org
.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84][87] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [28][85][88]Caryn.Ann.[86][89] Harlos at LP.org or[87][90] Secretary at LP.org
.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88][91] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [29][89][92]Caryn.Ann.[90][93] Harlos at LP.org or[91][94] Secretary at LP.org
.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92][95] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [30[93][96]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> [94][97]931.538.9300
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [31][95][98]Caryn.Ann.[96][99] Harlos at LP.org or[97][100] Secretary at LP.or
g.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98][101] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto[99][102]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 2. mailto[100][103]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto[101][104]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 4. [102][105]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-
>> site-of-2000-l
>> ibertarian-conv-[106]1819565649
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>> 19. mailto[117][121]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 20. mailto[118][122]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 21. mailto[119][123]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 22. mailto[120][124]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 23. mailto[121][125]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 24. mailto[122][126]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 25. mailto[123][127]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 26. mailto[124][128]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 27. mailto[125][129]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 28. mailto[126][130]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 29. mailto[127][131]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 30. mailto[128][132]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 31. mailto[129][133]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. tel:[134]217-412-5973
>> 2. mailto:
>>[135] richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:[136] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 4. [137]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> 5. tel:[138]1819565649
>> 6. mailto:[139] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 7. mailto:[140] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto:[141]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. tel:[142]2018-07-18 20
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>> 11. mailto:[144]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 12. mailto:[145]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 13. tel:[146]931.538.9300
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>> 16. mailto:[149]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 17. mailto:[150]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 18. mailto:[151]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 19. mailto:[152]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 20. tel:[153]931.538.9300
>> 21. mailto:[154]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 22. mailto:[155]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 23. mailto:[156]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 24. mailto:[157]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 25. tel:[158](931) 538-9300
>> 26. mailto:[159]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 27. mailto:[160]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 28. mailto:[161]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 29. mailto:[162]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 30. mailto:[163]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 31. mailto:[164]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>>[180] Harlos at LP.org
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>> 87. mailto:[220] Secretary at LP.org.
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>> 94. tel:[227]931.538.9300
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>> 97. mailto:[230] Secretary at LP.org.
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>> 99. mailto:[232]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 100. mailto:[233]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 101. mailto:[234]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 102.
>> [235]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[236]1819565649
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>> 104. mailto:[238]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 105. mailto:[239]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 106. mailto:[240]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 107. mailto:[241]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 108. mailto:[242]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 109. mailto:[243]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 110. mailto:[244]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 111. mailto:[245]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 112. mailto:[246]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 113. mailto:[247]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 114. mailto:[248]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 115. mailto:[249]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 116. mailto:[250]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 117. mailto:[251]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 118. mailto:[252]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 119. mailto:[253]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 120. mailto:[254]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>> 121. mailto:[255]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 122. mailto:[256]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 123. mailto:[257]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 124. mailto:[258]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 125. mailto:[259]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 126. mailto:[260]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 127. mailto:[261]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 128. mailto:[262]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 129. mailto:[263]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [264]Caryn.Ann.
[265]
Harlos at LP.org or[266] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[267] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out a
donation jar.
When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no
issue with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
effective. I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck respectability
politics." That is a shallow view of that. Being a contrarian for the
sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being ineffective.
Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we
don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it
more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
deal. We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is
and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and
I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do that
at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights. And
that is an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
*party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we
willing to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term liability
policy. That's probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the
other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider
could be added to the current policy)
There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having the
meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least
gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
together and more team-building that helps business gets done then.
This travel to some off site location and then us scattered in our
various hotels isolates us from each other.
This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost* is
actually higher.
The unintended consequences are large.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<[1[268]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
John,
There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically we
use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
certain number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset
that cost.
We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4
months for those doing the party's business.
Live Free,
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
[269]317-850-0726 Cell
On [270]2018-07-19 08:16, [271]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some
I
had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every
one else
knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the
side of
no out of respect for those.
I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset
that
cost.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1][272]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
To: Richard Longstreth;
Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
September Meeting Location
Thank you for considering my points.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
[2[273]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
reasons.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:
And there are liability concerns.
-Caryn Ann
And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
Friday
night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
OPTIONAL. I
go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is
zero
chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of hours
at
most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There may
be a
time where I don't go to the Friday party.
Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
house.
Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting to
snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to leave,
rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
show
of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban
guests to
the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this is
about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that this
a
real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is treated
by
him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I understand
that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
keeping
a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know none
of
us will have.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
[3] [3[274]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am very
uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE
ARE
THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
Let's not make this look reasonable.
[4][4][275]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][276]1819565649
Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
surprise.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
[6] [5[277]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
business
meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with. Women,
in
general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do not
know --
I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to members
outside
of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
husband I
would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
You
never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
Where do
you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it
has
happened.
Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot of
unforseens.
Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's homes
for these reasons.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business <
[7] [6[278]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting the
questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if you
have
quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
answers.
I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
prior to
having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by reading
the
email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements. I
have
also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
response
before asking more.
Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and because
Mr
Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be asking
this question.
Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
aren't
looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The average
Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
stay
in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will attempt
to
find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on the
LNC
will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether that
is
from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or something
else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands, by
not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
consideration
before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
offer
at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like sardines
to
save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
<[1[8]][7[279]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record high
for
September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end of
the
monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to have
thunderstorms or humidity.
Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What are
the
room
rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On [9][280]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
> Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
average?
> Something to consider for the outdoor meeting proposal...
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> <[1][2[10]][8[281]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>
> How far is this place from the airport? How far from the
nearest
> hotel?
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2][3[11]][9[282]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Motion: In order to save the general membership funds, I
move
> to
> set
> the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest and
Donna
> Hancock.
> ===
> Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
that
they
> have
> the space available, at no charge, to host our meeting.
The
> meeting
> location has not currently been set and I am unaware of
where
> we
> are at
> as far as determining a location. After asking the
question
> last
> week
> and getting no official answer, I am now moving to set
the
> location
> ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
everyone
> to
> review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
includes
> comments
> from Ernie, the homeowner.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1][3][4[12]][10[283]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [5][13][284]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[4][6[14]][11[285]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7[15]][12[286]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8[16]][13[287]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9[17]][14[288]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10[18]][15[289]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[11[19]][16[290]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[20][291]931.538.9300
References
1. mailto[21]:[17[292]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto[22]:[18[293]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
3. mailto[23]:[19[294]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto[24]:[20[295]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
5. tel:[25][296](931) 538-9300
6. mailto[26]:[21[297]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto[27]:[22[298]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
8. mailto[28]:[23[299]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto[29]:[24[300]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
10. mailto[30]:[25[301]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto[31]:[26[302]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[32]Caryn.
Ann.
[33][303] Harlos at LP.org or[34][304] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35][305] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[36]Caryn.A
nn.
[37][306] Harlos at LP.org or[38][307] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39][308] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[40][309]Caryn.An
n.
[41][310] Harlos at LP.org or[42][311] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43][312] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[44] [27[313]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[45][314]931.538.9300
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
[46][315]Caryn.Ann.[
47]
[316] Harlos at LP.org or[48][317] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49][318] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
Thank you for considering my points.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
<[1[50]][28[319]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered
that
viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
those
reasons.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2[51]][29[320]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
And there are liability concerns.
-Caryn Ann
And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
is
OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I know
well,
there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has been
someone
I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one
has
to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about executive
session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for the
toilet?
It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this
is
about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that
this
a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
treated
by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
understand
that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies
who know none of us will have.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[3[52]][30[321]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am
very
uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. WE
ARE
THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
Let's not make this look reasonable.
[4][53][31][322]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-
as-site-
of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54][323]1819565649
Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
surprise.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[5[55]][32[324]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
business
meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
Women, in
general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do
not
know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am referring
to
members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house
that
he doesn't know.
It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
You
never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
Where
do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off
but it
has happened.
Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot
of
unforseens.
Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's
homes
for these reasons.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
<[6[56]][33[325]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
the
questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if
you have
quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
answers.
I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
prior to
having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
reading the
email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
requirements.
I have
also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
response
before asking more.
Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
because Mr
Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
asking
this question.
Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
aren't
looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough
the
Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better
than
average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
average
Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
typically
stay
in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
attempt to
find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
the LNC
will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
that is
from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
something
else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
thousands,
by
not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
consideration
before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a
free
offer
at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
sardines to
save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
Richard
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
<[1][7[57]][34[326]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record
high
for
September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end
of
the
monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to
have
thunderstorms or humidity.
Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What
are
the
room
rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
---
Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On [58][327]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
wrote:
> Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
average?
> Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
proposal...
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> <[1][2][8[59]][35[328]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>
> How far is this place from the airport? How far from
the
nearest
> hotel?
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business
> <[2][3][9[60]][36[329]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Motion: In order to save the general membership
funds, I
move
> to
> set
> the September Meeting location at the home of Ernest
and
Donna
> Hancock.
> ===
> Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has indicated
that
they
> have
> the space available, at no charge, to host our
meeting.
The
> meeting
> location has not currently been set and I am unaware
of
where
> we
> are at
> as far as determining a location. After asking the
question
> last
> week
> and getting no official answer, I am now moving to
set
the
> location
> ahead of any official announcement. I would encourage
everyone
> to
> review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday which
includes
> comments
> from Ernie, the homeowner.
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
HI,
UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [1][3][4][10[61]][37[330]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [5][62][331]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[4][6][11[63]][38]richard.l
[332] ongstreth at lp.org
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[7][12[64]][39[333]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[8][13[65]][40[334]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[9][14[66]][41[335]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[10][15[67]][42[336]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[11][16[68]][43[337]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[69][338]931.538.9300
References
1. mailto:[17[70]][44[339]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[18[71]][45[340]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
3. mailto:[19[72]][46[341]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:[20[73]][47[342]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
5. tel:[74][343](931) 538-9300
6. mailto:[21[75]][48[344]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto:[22[76]][49[345]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
8. mailto:[23[77]][50[346]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[24[78]][51[347]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
10. mailto:[25[79]][52[348]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. mailto:[26[80]][53[349]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [27][81][350]Caryn.Ann.[82][351] Harlos at LP.org or[83][352] Secretary at L
P.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84][353] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [28][85][354]Caryn.Ann.[86][355] Harlos at LP.org or[87][356] Secretary at L
P.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88][357] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [29][89][358]Caryn.Ann.[90][359] Harlos at LP.org or[91][360] Secretary at L
P.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92][361] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[30[93]][54[362]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[94][363]931.538.9300
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [31][95][364]Caryn.Ann.[96][365] Harlos at LP.org or[97][366] Secretary at L
P.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98][367] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto[99]:[55[368]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
2. mailto[100]:[56[369]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto[101]:[57[370]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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29. mailto[127][397]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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62. tel:[461]931.538.9300
63. mailto:][122[462]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
64. mailto:][123[463]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
65. mailto:][124[464]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
66. mailto:][125[465]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
67. mailto:][126[466]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
68. mailto:][127[467]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
69. tel:[468]931.538.9300
70. mailto:][128[469]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
71. mailto:][129[470]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
72. mailto:][130[471]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
73. mailto:][131[472]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
74. tel:[473](931) 538-9300
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75. mailto:][132[474]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
76. mailto:][133[475]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
77. mailto:][134[476]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
78. mailto:][135[477]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
79. mailto:][136[478]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
80. mailto:][137[479]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
81. [138][480]http://Caryn.An/
82. mailto:[481] Harlos at LP.org
83. mailto:[482] Secretary at LP.org.
84. mailto:[483] LPedia at LP.org
85. [139][484]http://Caryn.An/
86. mailto:[485] Harlos at LP.org
87. mailto:[486] Secretary at LP.org.
88. mailto:[487] LPedia at LP.org
89. [140][488]http://Caryn.An/
90. mailto:[489] Harlos at LP.org
91. mailto:[490] Secretary at LP.org.
92. mailto:[491] LPedia at LP.org
93. mailto:][141[492]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
94. tel:[493]931.538.9300
95. [142][494]http://Caryn.An/
96. mailto:[495] Harlos at LP.org
97. mailto:[496] Secretary at LP.org.
98. mailto:[497] LPedia at LP.org
99. mailto::[143[498]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
100. mailto::[144[499]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
101. mailto::[145[500]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
102.
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of-2000-libertarian-conv-[502]1819565649
103. mailto::[147[503]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
104. mailto::[148[504]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
105. mailto::[149[505]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
106. mailto::[150[506]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
107. mailto::[151[507]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
108. mailto::[152[508]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
109. mailto::[153[509]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
110. mailto::[154[510]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
111. mailto::[155[511]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
112. mailto::[156[512]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
113. mailto::[157[513]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
114. mailto::[158[514]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
115. mailto::[159[515]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
116. mailto::[160[516]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
117. mailto::[161[517]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
118. mailto::[162[518]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
119. mailto::[163[519]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
120. mailto::[164[520]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
121. mailto::[165[521]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
122. mailto::[166[522]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
123. mailto::[167[523]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
124. mailto::[168[524]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
125. mailto:[525]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
126. mailto:[526]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
127. mailto:[527]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
128. mailto::[169[528]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
129. mailto:[529]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [170][530]Caryn.Ann.[531] Harlos at LP.org or[532] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[533] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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103. mailto[636]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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160. mailto[693]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
161. mailto[694]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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164. mailto[697]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
165. mailto[698]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
166. mailto[699]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
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169. mailto[702]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
170. mailto[703]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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