[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Jul 19 12:07:56 EDT 2018
Well that is true as well.
I can’t even imagine my back after lounging on a lawn for an hour.
That’s a whole other issue. I have to worry about seating due to spinal
stenosis. Hotel conference room seating is pretty uniform.
I love Starchild to death and agree on 90% of things. But definitely not
on this or having conventions in a field.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:48 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
> I disagree! Obviously the consequences for old people are much more
> severe than women!
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-07-19 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I just saw Starchild's original email to Ernest. This meeting is
> > proposed to be held on the patio. No tables. We would have to rent
> > all that.
> > And then he opined, well, we should just be willing to all sit on
> > the
> > lawn (no chairs) under a shady tree.
> > After having put up with this nonsense for hours and hours and years
> > and years, it is so old.
> > I don't think I was uncivil to him. It is symptomatic though of a
> > culture we have that has unconfronted and unintended huge negatives
> > for
> > women.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM, [1]john.phillips at lp.org
> > <[2]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > At this point I would say the case is made to not take advantage of
> > the
> > offer at this time.
> > I will not be taking away from Starchild's valid concerns about
> > cost,
> > cheaper options are usually worth at least looking at.
> > I will also not take away from everyone's valid concerns about the
> > other issues.
> > The wisest statement here was about penny wise, pound foolish.
> > There
> > is a cost/benefit analysis to everything.
> > Which is why I asked for an actual cost. I expect that the actual
> > cost
> > is somewhere in the middle of the options I have been presented.
> > This
> > is not an argument for this particular instance, in my mind that is
> > already settled as a resounding no. It is merely an attempt to
> > address
> > valid questions brought by our membership, and not just Starchild,
> > about expenditures and if there is an option for cheaper.
> > I spent more than 2 decades in the hospitality industry, and "free"
> > use
> > of a room is not really free, just like anything else that is
> > claimed
> > to be free. For example at the recent convention the price of food
> > and
> > drinks was astronomical compared to what was readily available
> > locally. So looking at that cost/benefit is a valid concern.
> > I understand the frustration of dealing with questions you feel have
> > already been dealt with, but SEVERAL of us are new here and have not
> > taken part. So please keep that in mind, and let's all (including
> > me
> > admittedly) try to keep a more civil tone. At least on list.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [3]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 9:17 AM
> > To: Libertarian National Committee list;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
> > September Meeting Location
> > Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out a
> > donation jar.
> >
> > When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some obsessive
> > desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have no
> > issue
> > with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
> > effective.
> > I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional as
> > well as
> > somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics." That is a shallow view
> > of
> > that. Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't serving a
> > purpose is just being ineffective.
> >
> > Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
> > environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we
> > don't
> > live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> >
> > Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it
> > more
> > expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great deal. We
> > shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and more
> > disruptive to lives than necessary.
> >
> > We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc, and
> > I
> > guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do that
> > at
> > 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights. And
> > that is
> > an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> >
> > As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
> > *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts of
> > things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we
> > willing
> > to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
> > situations, I
> > think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy.
> > That's
> > probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other
> > expenditures.
> > (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to the
> > current policy)
> >
> > There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having the
> > meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least
> > gather
> > there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
> > together
> > and more team-building that helps business gets done then. This travel
> > to
> > some off site location and then us scattered in our various hotels
> > isolates
> > us from each other.
> >
> > This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost* is
> > actually higher.
> >
> > The unintended consequences are large.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <[4]
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically we
> >> use a
> >> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> >> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a certain
> >> number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> >> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset that
> >> cost.
> >>
> >> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their own
> >> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> >> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every 3-4
> >> months
> >> for those doing the party's business.
> >>
> >> Live Free,
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> [5]317-850-0726 Cell
> >>
> >> On [6]2018-07-19 08:16, [7]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered, some I
> >>> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every one
> >>> else
> >>> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> >>> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the
> >>> side of
> >>> no out of respect for those.
> >>> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space, and
> >>> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset
> >>> that
> >>> cost.
> >>> John Phillips
> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> Cell [1][8]217-412-5973
> >>>
> >>> ------ Original message------
> >>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> >>> To: Richard Longstreth;
> >>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
> >>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
> >>> September Meeting Location
> >>> Thank you for considering my points.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> >>> [9] richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
> >>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
> >>>> reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> And there are liability concerns.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
> >>>>> Friday
> >>>>> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
> >>>>> OPTIONAL. I
> >>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is
> >>>>> zero
> >>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of
> >>>>> hours
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There
> >>>>> may
> >>>>> be a
> >>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
> >>>>> house.
> >>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
> >>>>> wanting to
> >>>>> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to
> >>>>> leave,
> >>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a
> >>>>> big
> >>>>> show
> >>>>> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban
> >>>>> guests to
> >>>>> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
> >>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that
> >>>>> this a
> >>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
> >>>>> treated by
> >>>>> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> >>>>> understand
> >>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> >>>>> traditional
> >>>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
> >>>>> keeping
> >>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so
> >>>>> outrageous,
> >>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know
> >>>>> none
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> us will have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>> [3][10] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
> >>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE
> >>>>>> ARE
> >>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [4][11]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> >>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][12]1819565649
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
> >>>>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
> >>>>>> surprise.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>>> [6][13] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I vote no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
> >>>>>>> business
> >>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> >>>>>>> Women, in
> >>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> know --
> >>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
> >>>>>>> members
> >>>>>>> outside
> >>>>>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
> >>>>>>> husband I
> >>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
> >>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
> >>>>>>> Where
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but
> >>>>>>> it has
> >>>>>>> happened.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> unforseens.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's
> >>>>>>> homes
> >>>>>>> for these reasons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>> [7][14] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
> >>>>>>> getting the
> >>>>>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that
> >>>>>>>> if you
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
> >>>>>>>> answers.
> >>>>>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any
> >>>>>>>> idea
> >>>>>>>> prior to
> >>>>>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
> >>>>>>>> proper
> >>>>>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> >>>>>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
> >>>>>>>> reading
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> >>>>>>>> requirements. I
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
> >>>>>>>> response
> >>>>>>>> before asking more.
> >>>>>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
> >>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> Mr
> >>>>>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
> >>>>>>>> asking
> >>>>>>>> this question.
> >>>>>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> aren't
> >>>>>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better
> >>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
> >>>>>>>> average
> >>>>>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
> >>>>>>>> typically
> >>>>>>>> stay
> >>>>>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
> >>>>>>>> attempt
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> >>>>>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> LNC
> >>>>>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> >>>>>>>> Whether
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
> >>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> >>>>>>>> thousands,
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
> >>>>>>>> consideration
> >>>>>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a
> >>>>>>>> free
> >>>>>>>> offer
> >>>>>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
> >>>>>>>> sardines
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> >>>>>>>> Richard
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> <[1[8][15]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record
> >>>>>>>> high
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
> >>>>>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> room
> >>>>>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> On [9][16]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
> >>>>>>>> average?
> >>>>>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
> >>>>>>>> proposal...
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >>>>>>>> > <[1][2[10][17]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> nearest
> >>>>>>>> > hotel?
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
> >>>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> > <[2][3[11][18]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership
> >>>>>>>> funds, I
> >>>>>>>> move
> >>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>> > set
> >>>>>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home of
> >>>>>>>> Ernest
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> Donna
> >>>>>>>> > Hancock.
> >>>>>>>> > ===
> >>>>>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has
> >>>>>>>> indicated
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> > have
> >>>>>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our
> >>>>>>>> meeting.
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> > meeting
> >>>>>>>> > location has not currently been set and I am
> >>>>>>>> unaware
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>> > we
> >>>>>>>> > are at
> >>>>>>>> > as far as determining a location. After asking
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> question
> >>>>>>>> > last
> >>>>>>>> > week
> >>>>>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving
> >>>>>>>> to set
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> > location
> >>>>>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would
> >>>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>>> everyone
> >>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> includes
> >>>>>>>> > comments
> >>>>>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
> >>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative
> >>>>>>>> > --
> >>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM,
> >>>>>>>> OR,
> >>>>>>>> HI,
> >>>>>>>> UT,
> >>>>>>>> > WA,
> >>>>>>>> > WY)
> >>>>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> > [1][3][4[12][19]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > [5][13][20]931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>> > References
> >>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[4][6[14][21]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > References
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[7[15][22]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:[8[16][23]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 3. mailto:[9[17][24]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 4. mailto:[10[18][25]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
> >>>>>>>> WA,
> >>>>>>>> WY)
> >>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> [11[19][26]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> [20][27]931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1. mailto[21][28]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 2. mailto[22][29]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 3. mailto[23][30]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 4. mailto[24][31]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 5. tel:[25][32](931) 538-9300
> >>>>>>>> 6. mailto[26][33]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 7. mailto[27][34]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 8. mailto[28][35]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 9. mailto[29][36]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 10. mailto[30][37]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 11. mailto[31][38]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ann.
> >>>
> >>>> [33][39] Harlos at LP.org or[34][40] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35][41]
> >>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> nn.
> >>>
> >>>> [37][42] Harlos at LP.org or[38][43] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39][44]
> >>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>>>> [40][45]Caryn.An
> >>>>>
> >>>> n.
> >>>
> >>>> [41][46] Harlos at LP.org or[42][47] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43][48] LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> [44][49] richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>> [45][50]931.538.9300
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> [46][51]Caryn.Ann.[
> >>> 47]
> >>> [52] Harlos at LP.org or[48][53] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49][54] LPedia at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> *We defend your rights*
> >>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for considering my points.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
> >>> <[1[50][55]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered
> >>> that
> >>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
> >>> those
> >>> reasons.
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[2[51][56]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And there are liability concerns.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
> >>> Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
> >>> is
> >>> OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I know
> >>> well,
> >>> there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short term,
> >>> a
> >>> couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has been
> >>> someone
> >>> I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> >>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
> >>> house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of
> >>> us
> >>> wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
> >>> wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one
> >>> has
> >>> to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about
> >>> executive
> >>> session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for the
> >>> toilet?
> >>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of
> >>> this is
> >>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored
> >>> by
> >>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that
> >>> this
> >>> a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
> >>> treated
> >>> by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> >>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> >>> understand
> >>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> >>> traditional
> >>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
> >>> keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is so
> >>> outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that
> >>> ladies
> >>> who know none of us will have.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[3[52][57]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> >>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
> >>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am
> >>> very
> >>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. WE
> >>> ARE
> >>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
> >>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >>>
> >>> [4][53][58]
> https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> >>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54][59]1819565649
> >>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
> >>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
> >>> surprise.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[5[55][60]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I vote no.
> >>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
> >>> business
> >>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> >>> Women, in
> >>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do
> >>> not
> >>> know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am referring
> >>> to
> >>> members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
> >>> unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's house
> >>> that
> >>> he doesn't know.
> >>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
> >>> You
> >>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
> >>> Where
> >>> do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but
> >>> it
> >>> has happened.
> >>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot
> >>> of
> >>> unforseens.
> >>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's
> >>> homes
> >>> for these reasons.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> <[6[56][61]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
> >>> getting
> >>> the
> >>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that
> >>> if
> >>> you have
> >>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
> >>> answers.
> >>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any
> >>> idea
> >>> prior to
> >>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
> >>> proper
> >>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> >>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
> >>> reading the
> >>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> >>> requirements.
> >>> I have
> >>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
> >>> response
> >>> before asking more.
> >>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
> >>> because Mr
> >>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
> >>> asking
> >>> this question.
> >>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided
> >>> you
> >>> aren't
> >>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough
> >>> the
> >>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better
> >>> than
> >>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
> >>> average
> >>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
> >>> typically
> >>> stay
> >>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
> >>> attempt to
> >>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due
> >>> to
> >>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> >>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many
> >>> on
> >>> the LNC
> >>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> >>> Whether
> >>> that is
> >>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
> >>> something
> >>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> >>> thousands,
> >>> by
> >>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
> >>> consideration
> >>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a
> >>> free
> >>> offer
> >>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
> >>> sardines to
> >>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> >>> Richard
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
> >>> <[1][7[57][62]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees. Record
> >>> high
> >>> for
> >>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the end
> >>> of
> >>> the
> >>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely to
> >>> have
> >>> thunderstorms or humidity.
> >>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting? What
> >>> are
> >>> the
> >>> room
> >>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking distance?
> >>> ---
> >>> Tim Hagan
> >>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> On [58][63]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
> >>> Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100 on
> >>> average?
> >>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
> >>> proposal...
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >>> > <[1][2][8[59][64]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far from
> >>> the
> >>> nearest
> >>> > hotel?
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>>
> >>> > <[2][3][9[60][65]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Motion: In order to save the general membership
> >>> funds, I
> >>> move
> >>> > to
> >>> > set
> >>> > the September Meeting location at the home of
> >>> Ernest and
> >>> Donna
> >>> > Hancock.
> >>> > ===
> >>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has
> >>> indicated
> >>> that
> >>> they
> >>> > have
> >>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our
> >>> meeting.
> >>> The
> >>> > meeting
> >>> > location has not currently been set and I am
> >>> unaware of
> >>> where
> >>> > we
> >>> > are at
> >>> > as far as determining a location. After asking the
> >>> question
> >>> > last
> >>> > week
> >>> > and getting no official answer, I am now moving to
> >>> set
> >>> the
> >>> > location
> >>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would
> >>> encourage
> >>> everyone
> >>> > to
> >>> > review the email Starchild sent to us yesterday
> >>> which
> >>> includes
> >>> > comments
> >>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative
> >>> > --
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM,
> >>> OR, HI,
> >>> UT,
> >>> > WA,
> >>> > WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>
> >>> > [1][3][4][10[61][66]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > [5][62][67]931.538.9300
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1.
> >>> mailto:[4][6][11[63][68]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >
> >>> > References
> >>> >
> >>> > 1. mailto:[7][12[64][69]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> > 2. mailto:[8][13[65][70]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 3. mailto:[9][14[66][71]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 4. mailto:[10][15[67][72]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> --
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
> >>> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [11][16[68][73]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [69][74]931.538.9300
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. mailto:[17[70][75]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 2. mailto:[18[71][76]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto:[19[72][77]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 4. mailto:[20[73][78]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 5. tel:[74][79](931) 538-9300
> >>> 6. mailto:[21[75][80]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto:[22[76][81]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto:[23[77][82]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 9. mailto:[24[78][83]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 10. mailto:[25[79][84]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto:[26[80][85]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >>> - [27][81][86]Caryn.Ann.[82][87] Harlos at LP.org or[83][88]
> >>> Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84][89]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >>> - [28][85][90]Caryn.Ann.[86][91] Harlos at LP.org or[87][92]
> >>> Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88][93]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >>> - [29][89][94]Caryn.Ann.[90][95] Harlos at LP.org or[91][96]
> >>> Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92][97]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [30[93][98]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [94][99]931.538.9300
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> >>> - [31][95][100]Caryn.Ann.[96][101] Harlos at LP.org or[97][102]
> >>> Secretary at LP.
> > org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98][103]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. mailto[99][104]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 2. mailto[100][105]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto[101][106]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 4.
> >>> [102][107]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-
> >>> site-of-2000-l
> >>> ibertarian-conv-[108]1819565649
> >>> 5. mailto[103][109]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 6. mailto[104][110]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto[105][111]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto[106][112]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 9. mailto[107][113]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 10. mailto[108][114]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto[109][115]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 12. mailto[110][116]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 13. mailto[111][117]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 14. mailto[112][118]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 15. mailto[113][119]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 16. mailto[114][120]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 17. mailto[115][121]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 18. mailto[116][122]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 19. mailto[117][123]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 20. mailto[118][124]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 21. mailto[119][125]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 22. mailto[120][126]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 23. mailto[121][127]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 24. mailto[122][128]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 25. mailto[123][129]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 26. mailto[124][130]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 27. mailto[125][131]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 28. mailto[126][132]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 29. mailto[127][133]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 30. mailto[128][134]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 31. mailto[129][135]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. tel:[136]217-412-5973
> >>> 2. mailto:
> >>> [137] richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto:[138] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 4.
> >>> [139]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> >>> 5. tel:[140]1819565649
> >>> 6. mailto:[141] caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto:[142] lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto:[143]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 9. tel:[144]2018-07-18 20
> >>> 10. mailto:[145]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto:[146]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 12. mailto:[147]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 13. tel:[148]931.538.9300
> >>> 14. mailto:[149]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 15. mailto:[150]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 16. mailto:[151]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 17. mailto:[152]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 18. mailto:[153]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 19. mailto:[154]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 20. tel:[155]931.538.9300
> >>> 21. mailto:[156]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 22. mailto:[157]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 23. mailto:[158]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 24. mailto:[159]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 25. tel:[160](931) 538-9300
> >>> 26. mailto:[161]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 27. mailto:[162]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 28. mailto:[163]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 29. mailto:[164]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 30. mailto:[165]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 31. mailto:[166]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 32. [167]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 33. mailto:[168] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 34. mailto:[169] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 35. mailto:[170] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 36. [171]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 37. mailto:[172] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 38. mailto:[173] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 39. mailto:[174] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 40. [175]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 41. mailto:[176] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 42. mailto:[177] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 43. mailto:[178] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 44. mailto:[179] richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 45. tel:[180]931.538.9300
> >>> 46. [181]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 47. mailto:
> >>> [182] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 48. mailto:[183] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 49. mailto:[184] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 50. mailto:[185]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 51. mailto:[186]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 52. mailto:[187]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 53.
> >>> [188]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> >>> 54. tel:[189]1819565649
> >>> 55. mailto:[190]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 56. mailto:[191]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 57. mailto:[192]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 58. tel:[193]2018-07-18 20
> >>> 59. mailto:[194]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 60. mailto:[195]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 61. mailto:[196]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 62. tel:[197]931.538.9300
> >>> 63. mailto:[198]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 64. mailto:[199]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 65. mailto:[200]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 66. mailto:[201]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 67. mailto:[202]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 68. mailto:[203]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 69. tel:[204]931.538.9300
> >>> 70. mailto:[205]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 71. mailto:[206]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 72. mailto:[207]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 73. mailto:[208]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 74. tel:[209](931) 538-9300
> >>> 6
> >>> 75. mailto:[210]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 76. mailto:[211]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 77. mailto:[212]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 78. mailto:[213]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 79. mailto:[214]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 80. mailto:[215]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 81. [216]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 82. mailto:[217] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 83. mailto:[218] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 84. mailto:[219] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 85. [220]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 86. mailto:[221] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 87. mailto:[222] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 88. mailto:[223] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 89. [224]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 90. mailto:[225] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 91. mailto:[226] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 92. mailto:[227] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 93. mailto:[228]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 94. tel:[229]931.538.9300
> >>> 95. [230]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 96. mailto:[231] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 97. mailto:[232] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 98. mailto:[233] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 99. mailto:[234]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 100. mailto:[235]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 101. mailto:[236]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 102.
> >>> [237]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> >>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[238]1819565649
> >>> 103. mailto:[239]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 104. mailto:[240]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 105. mailto:[241]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 106. mailto:[242]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 107. mailto:[243]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 108. mailto:[244]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 109. mailto:[245]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 110. mailto:[246]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 111. mailto:[247]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 112. mailto:[248]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 113. mailto:[249]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 114. mailto:[250]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 115. mailto:[251]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 116. mailto:[252]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 117. mailto:[253]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 118. mailto:[254]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 119. mailto:[255]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 120. mailto:[256]:whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 121. mailto:[257]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 122. mailto:[258]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 123. mailto:[259]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 124. mailto:[260]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 125. mailto:[261]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 126. mailto:[262]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 127. mailto:[263]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 128. mailto:[264]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 129. mailto:[265]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > *In Liberty,*
> > *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > [266]Caryn.Ann.
> > [267]
> > Harlos at LP.org or[268] Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[269] LPedia at LP.org
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > *We defend your rights*
> > *And oppose the use of force*
> > *Taxation is theft*
> >
> > Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out a
> > donation jar.
> > When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
> > obsessive
> > desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have
> > no
> > issue with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
> > effective. I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
> > anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck respectability
> > politics." That is a shallow view of that. Being a contrarian for
> > the
> > sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being
> > ineffective.
> > Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
> > environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we
> > don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> > Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes it
> > more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
> > deal. We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is
> > and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
> > We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers etc,
> > and
> > I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do
> > that
> > at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights.
> > And
> > that is an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> > As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
> > *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those sorts
> > of
> > things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we
> > willing to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
> > situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term
> > liability
> > policy. That's probably about $150 - at least we get food out of
> > the
> > other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider
> > could be added to the current policy)
> > There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having the
> > meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least
> > gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go
> > out
> > together and more team-building that helps business gets done then.
> > This travel to some off site location and then us scattered in our
> > various hotels isolates us from each other.
> > This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost* is
> > actually higher.
> > The unintended consequences are large.
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
> > <[1[270]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically
> > we
> > use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> > the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
> > certain number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> > can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset
> > that cost.
> > We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their
> > own
> > expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> > members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every
> > 3-4
> > months for those doing the party's business.
> > Live Free,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > [271]317-850-0726 Cell
> > On [272]2018-07-19 08:16, [273]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> >
> > Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered,
> > some
> > I
> > had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that every
> > one else
> > knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> > Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on the
> > side of
> > no out of respect for those.
> > I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space,
> > and
> > perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help offset
> > that
> > cost.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [1][274]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> > To: Richard Longstreth;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set
> > the
> > September Meeting Location
> > Thank you for considering my points.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> > [2[275]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered that
> > viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for those
> > reasons.
> > Richard
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> > wrote:
> >
> > And there are liability concerns.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about those
> > Friday
> > night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
> > OPTIONAL. I
> > go there were several members of the LNC that I know well, there is
> > zero
> > chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple of
> > hours
> > at
> > most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know. There
> > may
> > be a
> > time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> > Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in someone's
> > house.
> > Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us wanting
> > to
> > snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants to
> > leave,
> > rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make a big
> > show
> > of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We ban
> > guests to
> > the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> > It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of this
> > is
> > about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone ignored by
> > Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is that
> > this
> > a
> > real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
> > treated
> > by
> > him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> > Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> > understand
> > that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in traditional
> > atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't think
> > keeping
> > a custom of business in a business conference room is so outrageous,
> > particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who know
> > none
> > of
> > us will have.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >
> > [3] [3[276]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> > I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is highly
> > prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally am
> > very
> > uncomfortable with a business meeting in these circumstances. *WE
> > ARE
> > THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> > Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >
> > [4][4][277]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> > of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][278]1819565649
> > Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others when he
> > doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism is no
> > surprise.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > [6] [5[279]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I vote no.
> > I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
> > business
> > meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> > Women,
> > in
> > general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they do
> > not
> > know --
> > I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
> > members
> > outside
> > of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and my
> > husband I
> > would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> > It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for business.
> > You
> > never know what can come up. And sometimes things get heated.
> > Where do
> > you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off but it
> > has
> > happened.
> > Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE lot
> > of
> > unforseens.
> > Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at people's
> > homes
> > for these reasons.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> > Lnc-business <
> > [7] [6[280]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to getting
> > the
> > questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that if
> > you
> > have
> > quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get the
> > answers.
> > I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any idea
> > prior to
> > having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a proper
> > determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> > I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
> > reading
> > the
> > email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our requirements.
> > I
> > have
> > also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
> > response
> > before asking more.
> > Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
> > because
> > Mr
> > Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
> > asking
> > this question.
> > Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided you
> > aren't
> > looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one throughough the
> > Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better than
> > average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
> > average
> > Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I typically
> > stay
> > in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
> > attempt
> > to
> > find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due to
> > temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> > The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many on
> > the
> > LNC
> > will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway. Whether
> > that
> > is
> > from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
> > something
> > else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not thousands,
> > by
> > not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
> > consideration
> > before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a free
> > offer
> > at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
> > sardines
> > to
> > save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> > Richard
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
> >
> > <[1[8]][7[281]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
--
--
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
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Well that is true as well.
I can’t even imagine my back after lounging on a lawn for an hour.
That’s a whole other issue. I have to worry about seating due to
spinal stenosis. Hotel conference room seating is pretty uniform.
I love Starchild to death and agree on 90% of things. But definitely
not on this or having conventions in a field.
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:48 AM Sam Goldstein <[1]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
wrote:
I disagree! Obviously the consequences for old people are much more
severe than women!
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-07-19 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> I just saw Starchild's original email to Ernest. This meeting is
> proposed to be held on the patio. No tables. We would have to
rent
> all that.
> And then he opined, well, we should just be willing to all sit
on
> the
> lawn (no chairs) under a shady tree.
> After having put up with this nonsense for hours and hours and
years
> and years, it is so old.
> I don't think I was uncivil to him. It is symptomatic though
of a
> culture we have that has unconfronted and unintended huge
negatives
> for
> women.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM, [1][2]john.phillips at lp.org
> <[2][3]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>
> At this point I would say the case is made to not take
advantage of
> the
> offer at this time.
> I will not be taking away from Starchild's valid concerns about
> cost,
> cheaper options are usually worth at least looking at.
> I will also not take away from everyone's valid concerns about
the
> other issues.
> The wisest statement here was about penny wise, pound foolish.
> There
> is a cost/benefit analysis to everything.
> Which is why I asked for an actual cost. I expect that the
actual
> cost
> is somewhere in the middle of the options I have been
presented.
> This
> is not an argument for this particular instance, in my mind
that is
> already settled as a resounding no. It is merely an attempt to
> address
> valid questions brought by our membership, and not just
Starchild,
> about expenditures and if there is an option for cheaper.
> I spent more than 2 decades in the hospitality industry, and
"free"
> use
> of a room is not really free, just like anything else that is
> claimed
> to be free. For example at the recent convention the price of
food
> and
> drinks was astronomical compared to what was readily available
> locally. So looking at that cost/benefit is a valid concern.
> I understand the frustration of dealing with questions you feel
have
> already been dealt with, but SEVERAL of us are new here and
have not
> taken part. So please keep that in mind, and let's all
(including
> me
> admittedly) try to keep a more civil tone. At least on list.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [3]217-412-5973
> ------ Original message------
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 9:17 AM
> To: Libertarian National Committee list;
> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set
the
> September Meeting Location
> Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put out
a
> donation jar.
>
> When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
obsessive
> desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I have
no
> issue
> with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
> effective.
> I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional
as
> well as
> somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics." That is a shallow
view
> of
> that. Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't serving
a
> purpose is just being ineffective.
>
> Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
> environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader, we
> don't
> live in the same world with the same colour sky.
>
> Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes
it
> more
> expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
deal. We
> shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and
more
> disruptive to lives than necessary.
>
> We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers
etc, and
> I
> guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do
that
> at
> 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights.
And
> that is
> an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
>
> As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for the
> *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those
sorts of
> things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are we
> willing
> to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
> situations, I
> think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy.
> That's
> probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other
> expenditures.
> (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to
the
> current policy)
>
> There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having
the
> meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at least
> gather
> there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
> together
> and more team-building that helps business gets done then. This
travel
> to
> some off site location and then us scattered in our various hotels
> isolates
> us from each other.
>
> This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The *cost*
is
> actually higher.
>
> The unintended consequences are large.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<[4]
> [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting. Typically
we
>> use a
>> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
>> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
certain
>> number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
>> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to offset
that
>> cost.
>>
>> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their
own
>> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
>> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every
3-4
>> months
>> for those doing the party's business.
>>
>> Live Free,
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [5]317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On [6]2018-07-19 08:16, [7]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered,
some I
>>> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that
every one
>>> else
>>> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
>>> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on
the
>>> side of
>>> no out of respect for those.
>>> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a space,
and
>>> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help
offset
>>> that
>>> cost.
>>> John Phillips
>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> Cell [1][8]217-412-5973
>>>
>>> ------ Original message------
>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
>>> To: Richard Longstreth;
>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set
the
>>> September Meeting Location
>>> Thank you for considering my points.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
>>> [9] [5]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered
that
>>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
those
>>>> reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And there are liability concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
those
>>>>> Friday
>>>>> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
>>>>> OPTIONAL. I
>>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
there is
>>>>> zero
>>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple
of
>>>>> hours
>>>>> at
>>>>> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know.
There
>>>>> may
>>>>> be a
>>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
someone's
>>>>> house.
>>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
>>>>> wanting to
>>>>> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants
to
>>>>> leave,
>>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make
a
>>>>> big
>>>>> show
>>>>> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We
ban
>>>>> guests to
>>>>> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of
this
>>>>> is
>>>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
ignored by
>>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
that
>>>>> this a
>>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
>>>>> treated by
>>>>> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
>>>>> understand
>>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
>>>>> traditional
>>>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
think
>>>>> keeping
>>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so
>>>>> outrageous,
>>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who
know
>>>>> none
>>>>> of
>>>>> us will have.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> [3][10] [6]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
highly
>>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally
am
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
circumstances. *WE
>>>>>> ARE
>>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
[4][11][7]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
e-
>>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][12]1819565649
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
when he
>>>>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
is no
>>>>>> surprise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> [6][13] [8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
A
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
>>>>>>> Women, in
>>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they
do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> know --
>>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and
my
>>>>>>> husband I
>>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
business.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
heated.
>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off
but
>>>>>>> it has
>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
WHOLE lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> unforseens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
people's
>>>>>>> homes
>>>>>>> for these reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> [7][14] [9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
>>>>>>> getting the
>>>>>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
that
>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may
get the
>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or
any
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>> prior to
>>>>>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>>>>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered
by
>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
>>>>>>>> requirements. I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await
his
>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>> before asking more.
>>>>>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry
and
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I
will be
>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>> this question.
>>>>>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
provided
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
throughough
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
better
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state.
The
>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
>>>>>>>> typically
>>>>>>>> stay
>>>>>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I
will
>>>>>>>> attempt
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember,
due
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>>>>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that
many
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
>>>>>>>> Whether
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel
or
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
>>>>>>>> thousands,
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting
on a
>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it
like
>>>>>>>> sardines
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via
Lnc-business
>>>>>>>> <[1[8][15]][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees.
Record
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the
end
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely
to
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>>>>>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting?
What
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> room
>>>>>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking
distance?
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> On [9][16]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
Lnc-business
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100
on
>>>>>>>> average?
>>>>>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
>>>>>>>> proposal...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>>>>>>> > <[1][2[10][17]][11]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far
from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> nearest
>>>>>>>> > hotel?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth
via
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>> > <[2][3[11][18]][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general
membership
>>>>>>>> funds, I
>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> > set
>>>>>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home
of
>>>>>>>> Ernest
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> > Hancock.
>>>>>>>> > ===
>>>>>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has
>>>>>>>> indicated
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> > have
>>>>>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host
our
>>>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> > meeting
>>>>>>>> > location has not currently been set and I am
>>>>>>>> unaware
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>> > are at
>>>>>>>> > as far as determining a location. After
asking
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>> > last
>>>>>>>> > week
>>>>>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now
moving
>>>>>>>> to set
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> > location
>>>>>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would
>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us
yesterday
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>>> > comments
>>>>>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT,
NM,
>>>>>>>> OR,
>>>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>>>> UT,
>>>>>>>> > WA,
>>>>>>>> > WY)
>>>>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> >
[1][3][4[12][19]][13]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> > [5][13][20]931.538.9300
>>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>>> > 1.
mailto:[4][6[14][21]][14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > References
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[7[15][22]][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:[8[16][23]][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> > 3.
mailto:[9[17][24]][17]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> > 4.
mailto:[10[18][25]][18]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
>>>>>>>> WA,
>>>>>>>> WY)
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> [11[19][26]][19]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> [20][27]931.538.9300
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. mailto[21][28]:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> 2. mailto[22][29]:[21]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>> 3. mailto[23][30]:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> 4. mailto[24][31]:[23]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> 5. tel:[25][32](931) 538-9300
>>>>>>>> 6. mailto[26][33]:[24]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> 7. mailto[27][34]:[25]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>>>>>>> 8. mailto[28][35]:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> 9. mailto[29][36]:[27]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> 10. mailto[30][37]:[28]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>> 11. mailto[31][38]:[29]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
>>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann.
>>>
>>>> [33][39] Harlos at LP.org or[34][40] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35][41]
>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
>>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
>>>>>>
>>>>> nn.
>>>
>>>> [37][42] Harlos at LP.org or[38][43] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39][44]
>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
-
>>>>> [40][45]Caryn.An
>>>>>
>>>> n.
>>>
>>>> [41][46] Harlos at LP.org or[42][47] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43][48]
LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA, WY)
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> [44][49] [30]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> [45][50]931.538.9300
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> [46][51]Caryn.Ann.[
>>> 47]
>>> [52] Harlos at LP.org or[48][53] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49][54]
LPedia at LP.org
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>> Thank you for considering my points.
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
>>> <[1[50][55]][31]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
considered
>>> that
>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
>>> those
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <[2[51][56]][32]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> And there are liability concerns.
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
those
>>> Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different
context and
>>> is
>>> OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that I
know
>>> well,
>>> there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very short
term,
>>> a
>>> couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has
been
>>> someone
>>> I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday
party.
>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
someone's
>>> house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and
none of
>>> us
>>> wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone
just
>>> wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the
door, one
>>> has
>>> to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about
>>> executive
>>> session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line for
the
>>> toilet?
>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
of
>>> this is
>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
ignored
>>> by
>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
that
>>> this
>>> a real safety concern for female members of our Party and it
is
>>> treated
>>> by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
>>> understand
>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
>>> traditional
>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
think
>>> keeping a custom of business in a business conference room is
so
>>> outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns that
>>> ladies
>>> who know none of us will have.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <[3[52][57]][33]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
highly
>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally
am
>>> very
>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
circumstances. WE
>>> ARE
>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>>>
>>>
[4][53][58][34]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-a
s-site-
>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54][59]1819565649
>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
when he
>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
is no
>>> surprise.
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <[5[55][60]][35]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote no.
>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
>>> business
>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
>>> Women, in
>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they
do
>>> not
>>> know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am
referring
>>> to
>>> members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
>>> unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's
house
>>> that
>>> he doesn't know.
>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
business.
>>> You
>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
heated.
>>> Where
>>> do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed
off but
>>> it
>>> has happened.
>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE
lot
>>> of
>>> unforseens.
>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
people's
>>> homes
>>> for these reasons.
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
>>> Lnc-business
>>> <[6[56][61]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
>>> getting
>>> the
>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
that
>>> if
>>> you have
>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may
get the
>>> answers.
>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or
any
>>> idea
>>> prior to
>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
>>> proper
>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered
by
>>> reading the
>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
>>> requirements.
>>> I have
>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await
his
>>> response
>>> before asking more.
>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry
and
>>> because Mr
>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I
will be
>>> asking
>>> this question.
>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
provided
>>> you
>>> aren't
>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
throughough
>>> the
>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
better
>>> than
>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the state.
The
>>> average
>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
>>> typically
>>> stay
>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I
will
>>> attempt to
>>> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember,
due
>>> to
>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that
many
>>> on
>>> the LNC
>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
>>> Whether
>>> that is
>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel
or
>>> something
>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
>>> thousands,
>>> by
>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
>>> consideration
>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting
on a
>>> free
>>> offer
>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it
like
>>> sardines to
>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
>>> Richard
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via
Lnc-business
>>> <[1][7[57][62]][37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees.
Record
>>> high
>>> for
>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is the
end
>>> of
>>> the
>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less likely
to
>>> have
>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting?
What
>>> are
>>> the
>>> room
>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking
distance?
>>> ---
>>> Tim Hagan
>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>> On [58][63]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
>>> Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in September...75-100
on
>>> average?
>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
>>> proposal...
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
>>> > <[1][2][8[59][64]][38]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
wrote:
>>> >
>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far
from
>>> the
>>> nearest
>>> > hotel?
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard Longstreth
via
>>> Lnc-business
>>>
>>> > <[2][3][9[60][65]][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Motion: In order to save the general
membership
>>> funds, I
>>> move
>>> > to
>>> > set
>>> > the September Meeting location at the home of
>>> Ernest and
>>> Donna
>>> > Hancock.
>>> > ===
>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has
>>> indicated
>>> that
>>> they
>>> > have
>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host our
>>> meeting.
>>> The
>>> > meeting
>>> > location has not currently been set and I am
>>> unaware of
>>> where
>>> > we
>>> > are at
>>> > as far as determining a location. After asking
the
>>> question
>>> > last
>>> > week
>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now
moving to
>>> set
>>> the
>>> > location
>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would
>>> encourage
>>> everyone
>>> > to
>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us
yesterday
>>> which
>>> includes
>>> > comments
>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative
>>> > --
>>> > Richard Longstreth
>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT,
NM,
>>> OR, HI,
>>> UT,
>>> > WA,
>>> > WY)
>>> > Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> >
[1][3][4][10[61][66]][40]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > [5][62][67]931.538.9300
>>> > References
>>> > 1.
>>> mailto:[4][6][11[63][68]][41]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >
>>> > References
>>> >
>>> > 1.
mailto:[7][12[64][69]][42]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> > 2.
mailto:[8][13[65][70]][43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > 3.
mailto:[9][14[66][71]][44]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> > 4.
mailto:[10][15[67][72]][45]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> --
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
>>> WA,
>>> WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [11][16[68][73]][46]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [69][74]931.538.9300
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto:[17[70][75]][47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 2. mailto:[18[71][76]][48]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 3. mailto:[19[72][77]][49]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 4. mailto:[20[73][78]][50]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 5. tel:[74][79](931) 538-9300
>>> 6. mailto:[21[75][80]][51]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 7. mailto:[22[76][81]][52]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 8. mailto:[23[77][82]][53]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 9. mailto:[24[78][83]][54]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 10. mailto:[25[79][84]][55]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 11. mailto:[26[80][85]][56]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
>>> - [27][81][86]Caryn.Ann.[82][87] Harlos at LP.org or[83][88]
>>> Secretary at LP.org
> .
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84][89]
>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
>>> - [28][85][90]Caryn.Ann.[86][91] Harlos at LP.org or[87][92]
>>> Secretary at LP.org
> .
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88][93]
>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
>>> - [29][89][94]Caryn.Ann.[90][95] Harlos at LP.org or[91][96]
>>> Secretary at LP.org
> .
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92][97]
>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA,
>>> WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [30[93][98]][57]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [94][99]931.538.9300
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
>>> - [31][95][100]Caryn.Ann.[96][101] Harlos at LP.org or[97][102]
>>> Secretary at LP.
> org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98][103]
>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. mailto[99][104]:[58]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 2. mailto[100][105]:[59]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 3. mailto[101][106]:[60]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 4.
>>>
[102][107][61]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as
-
>>> site-of-2000-l
>>> ibertarian-conv-[108]1819565649
>>> 5. mailto[103][109]:[62]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 6. mailto[104][110]:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 7. mailto[105][111]:[64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 8. mailto[106][112]:[65]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 9. mailto[107][113]:[66]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 10. mailto[108][114]:[67]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 11. mailto[109][115]:[68]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 12. mailto[110][116]:[69]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 13. mailto[111][117]:[70]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 14. mailto[112][118]:[71]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 15. mailto[113][119]:[72]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 16. mailto[114][120]:[73]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 17. mailto[115][121]:[74]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 18. mailto[116][122]:[75]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 19. mailto[117][123]:[76]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 20. mailto[118][124]:[77]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 21. mailto[119][125]:[78]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 22. mailto[120][126]:[79]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 23. mailto[121][127]:[80]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 24. mailto[122][128]:[81]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 25. mailto[123][129]:[82]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 26. mailto[124][130]:[83]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 27. mailto[125][131]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 28. mailto[126][132]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 29. mailto[127][133]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> 30. mailto[128][134]:[84]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 31. mailto[129][135]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. tel:[136]217-412-5973
>>> 2. mailto:
>>> [137] [85]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 3. mailto:[138] [86]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 4.
>>>
[139][87]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site
-
>>> 5. tel:[140]1819565649
>>> 6. mailto:[141] [88]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 7. mailto:[142] [89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 8. mailto:[143]][90]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 9. tel:[144]2018-07-18 20
>>> 10. mailto:[145]][91]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 11. mailto:[146]][92]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 12. mailto:[147]][93]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 13. tel:[148]931.538.9300
>>> 14. mailto:[149]][94]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 15. mailto:[150]][95]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 16. mailto:[151]][96]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 17. mailto:[152]][97]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 18. mailto:[153]][98]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 19. mailto:[154]][99]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 20. tel:[155]931.538.9300
>>> 21. mailto:[156]:[100]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 22. mailto:[157]:[101]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 23. mailto:[158]:[102]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 24. mailto:[159]:[103]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 25. tel:[160](931) 538-9300
>>> 26. mailto:[161]:[104]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 27. mailto:[162]:[105]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 28. mailto:[163]:[106]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 29. mailto:[164]:[107]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 30. mailto:[165]:[108]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 31. mailto:[166]:[109]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 32. [167][110]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 33. mailto:[168] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 34. mailto:[169] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 35. mailto:[170] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 36. [171][111]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 37. mailto:[172] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 38. mailto:[173] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 39. mailto:[174] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 40. [175][112]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 41. mailto:[176] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 42. mailto:[177] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 43. mailto:[178] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 44. mailto:[179] [113]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 45. tel:[180]931.538.9300
>>> 46. [181][114]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 47. mailto:
>>> [182] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 48. mailto:[183] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 49. mailto:[184] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 50. mailto:[185]][115]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 51. mailto:[186]][116]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 52. mailto:[187]][117]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 53.
>>>
[188][118]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
e-
>>> 54. tel:[189]1819565649
>>> 55. mailto:[190]][119]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>>> 56. mailto:[191]][120]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 57. mailto:[192]][121]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 58. tel:[193]2018-07-18 20
>>> 59. mailto:[194]][122]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 60. mailto:[195]][123]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 61. mailto:[196]][124]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 62. tel:[197]931.538.9300
>>> 63. mailto:[198]][125]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 64. mailto:[199]][126]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 65. mailto:[200]][127]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 66. mailto:[201]][128]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 67. mailto:[202]][129]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 68. mailto:[203]][130]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 69. tel:[204]931.538.9300
>>> 70. mailto:[205]][131]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 71. mailto:[206]][132]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 72. mailto:[207]][133]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 73. mailto:[208]][134]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 74. tel:[209](931) 538-9300
>>> 6
>>> 75. mailto:[210]][135]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 76. mailto:[211]][136]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
>>> 77. mailto:[212]][137]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 78. mailto:[213]][138]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 79. mailto:[214]][139]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 80. mailto:[215]][140]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 81. [216][141]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 82. mailto:[217] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 83. mailto:[218] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 84. mailto:[219] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 85. [220][142]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 86. mailto:[221] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 87. mailto:[222] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 88. mailto:[223] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 89. [224][143]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 90. mailto:[225] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 91. mailto:[226] Secretary at LP.org.
>>> 92. mailto:[227] LPedia at LP.org
>>> 93. mailto:[228]][144]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 94. tel:[229]931.538.9300
>>> 95. [230][145]http://Caryn.An/
>>> 96. mailto:[231] Harlos at LP.org
>>> 97. mailto:[232] Secretary at LP.org.
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>>> 100. mailto:[235]:[147]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
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>>> 107. mailto:[243]:[154]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> 108. mailto:[244]:[155]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>>> 124. mailto:[260]:[171]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> 125. mailto:[261]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [266]Caryn.Ann.
> [267]
> Harlos at LP.org or[268] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[269] LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put
out a
> donation jar.
> When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
> obsessive
> desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I
have
> no
> issue with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because
it is
> effective. I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
> anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck
respectability
> politics." That is a shallow view of that. Being a contrarian
for
> the
> sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being
> ineffective.
> Business meetings are effective when conducted in a
professional
> environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader,
we
> don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply
makes it
> more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a
great
> deal. We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it
already is
> and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
> We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers
etc,
> and
> I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I
do
> that
> at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest
flights.
> And
> that is an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for
the
> *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those
sorts
> of
> things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are
we
> willing to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for
this
> situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term
> liability
> policy. That's probably about $150 - at least we get food out
of
> the
> other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost
rider
> could be added to the current policy)
> There is also a very definite loss to business. How so?
Having the
> meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at
least
> gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us
to go
> out
> together and more team-building that helps business gets done
then.
> This travel to some off site location and then us scattered in
our
> various hotels isolates us from each other.
> This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The
*cost* is
> actually higher.
> The unintended consequences are large.
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
> <[1[270]][173]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> John,
> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.
Typically
> we
> use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no
cost to
> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
> certain number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to
offset
> that cost.
> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at
their
> own
> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal
every
> 3-4
> months for those doing the party's business.
> Live Free,
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> [271]317-850-0726 Cell
> On [272]2018-07-19 08:16, [273]john.phillips--- via
Lnc-business
> wrote:
>
> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had
considered,
> some
> I
> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that
every
> one else
> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on
the
> side of
> no out of respect for those.
> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a
space,
> and
> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help
offset
> that
> cost.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1][274]217-412-5973
> ------ Original message------
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> To: Richard Longstreth;
> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to
set
> the
> September Meeting Location
> Thank you for considering my points.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> [2[275]][174]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't considered
that
> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
those
> reasons.
> Richard
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> wrote:
>
> And there are liability concerns.
> -Caryn Ann
> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
those
> Friday
> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and is
> OPTIONAL. I
> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
there is
> zero
> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple
of
> hours
> at
> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know.
There
> may
> be a
> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
someone's
> house.
> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
wanting
> to
> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants
to
> leave,
> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to make
a big
> show
> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We
ban
> guests to
> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE of
this
> is
> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
ignored by
> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
that
> this
> a
> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
> treated
> by
> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> understand
> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
traditional
> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
think
> keeping
> a custom of business in a business conference room is so
outrageous,
> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who
know
> none
> of
> us will have.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>
> [3] [3[276]][175]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
highly
> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I personally
am
> very
> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
circumstances. *WE
> ARE
> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> Let's not make this look reasonable.
>
>
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as-site-
> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][278]1819565649
> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
when he
> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
is no
> surprise.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> [6] [5[279]][177]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I vote no.
> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why. A
> business
> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> Women,
> in
> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone they
do
> not
> know --
> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
> members
> outside
> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied and
my
> husband I
> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
business.
> You
> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
heated.
> Where do
> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off
but it
> has
> happened.
> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a WHOLE
lot
> of
> unforseens.
> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
people's
> homes
> for these reasons.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> Lnc-business <
> [7] [6[280]][178]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
getting
> the
> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask that
if
> you
> have
> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get
the
> answers.
> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any
idea
> prior to
> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
proper
> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered by
> reading
> the
> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
requirements.
> I
> have
> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await his
> response
> before asking more.
> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
> because
> Mr
> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will be
> asking
> this question.
> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and provided
you
> aren't
> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
throughough the
> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly better
than
> average when compared to traveling outside of the state. The
> average
> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
typically
> stay
> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
> attempt
> to
> find out the specific area and advise further. Remember, due
to
> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> The question of transport is fair, however, I note that many
on
> the
> LNC
> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
Whether
> that
> is
> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
> something
> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
thousands,
> by
> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
> consideration
> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on a
free
> offer
> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
> sardines
> to
> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> Richard
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
>
> <[1[8]][7[281]][179]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [180]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
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