[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Thu Jul 19 18:12:52 EDT 2018
Craig and I are on the same page.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Craig Bowden via Lnc-businessDate: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 11:40 AMTo: LNC-Business List;Cc: Craig Bowden;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the September Meeting Location
Just to chime in with my two cents on the location issue:
1. I do appreciate the outside the box thinking. We do need to have some
of that in what we do. No question there.
2. Starchild is an awesome activist and one of the strongest voices in
our movement
3. The offer was very gracious by our members.
4. We should always look at ways to save money to give our membership
the most bang for its buck.
That being said, there are valid concerns. On top of some issues that
have already been brought up, I will add that as a veteran of the Iraq
war, being outside in 90+ degree weather (especially in a desert
landscape) would not go over very well with one of the issues I have.
Hot weather is a trigger for me with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Add
in a possibility for a tense situation, as can happen with some
meetings, and it is a risk for things like panic attacks.
As much as I hate to bring up any sort of collectivist type arguments,
in cases like this we do need to look at what the majority of
individuals consider appropriate on this committee.
So far, what I am hearing from most people who have given their two
cents:
1. Medical issues that warrant an actual meeting space
2. Professionalism issues of wanting to be seen as an organization ready
to take on two powerful entities
3. Safety concerns
4. Liability issues
I trust Mr. Sarwark and Mr. Kraus to find an affordable option for us.
With the added benefit of membership living in the area, I am sure there
will be no shortage of willingness to help in coordinating rides to
offset costs.
Regards,
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-07-19 10:07, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Well that is true as well.
> I can’t even imagine my back after lounging on a lawn for an hour.
> That’s a whole other issue. I have to worry about seating due to
> spinal stenosis. Hotel conference room seating is pretty uniform.
> I love Starchild to death and agree on 90% of things. But
> definitely
> not on this or having conventions in a field.
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:48 AM Sam Goldstein
> <[1]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I disagree! Obviously the consequences for old people are much
> more
> severe than women!
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
> On 2018-07-19 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I just saw Starchild's original email to Ernest. This meeting
> is
> > proposed to be held on the patio. No tables. We would have
> to
> rent
> > all that.
> > And then he opined, well, we should just be willing to all
> sit
> on
> > the
> > lawn (no chairs) under a shady tree.
> > After having put up with this nonsense for hours and hours
> and
> years
> > and years, it is so old.
> > I don't think I was uncivil to him. It is symptomatic though
> of a
> > culture we have that has unconfronted and unintended huge
> negatives
> > for
> > women.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM, [1][2]john.phillips at lp.org
> > <[2][3]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > At this point I would say the case is made to not take
> advantage of
> > the
> > offer at this time.
> > I will not be taking away from Starchild's valid concerns
> about
> > cost,
> > cheaper options are usually worth at least looking at.
> > I will also not take away from everyone's valid concerns
> about
> the
> > other issues.
> > The wisest statement here was about penny wise, pound
> foolish.
> > There
> > is a cost/benefit analysis to everything.
> > Which is why I asked for an actual cost. I expect that the
> actual
> > cost
> > is somewhere in the middle of the options I have been
> presented.
> > This
> > is not an argument for this particular instance, in my mind
> that is
> > already settled as a resounding no. It is merely an attempt
> to
> > address
> > valid questions brought by our membership, and not just
> Starchild,
> > about expenditures and if there is an option for cheaper.
> > I spent more than 2 decades in the hospitality industry, and
> "free"
> > use
> > of a room is not really free, just like anything else that is
> > claimed
> > to be free. For example at the recent convention the price
> of
> food
> > and
> > drinks was astronomical compared to what was readily
> available
> > locally. So looking at that cost/benefit is a valid concern.
> > I understand the frustration of dealing with questions you
> feel
> have
> > already been dealt with, but SEVERAL of us are new here and
> have not
> > taken part. So please keep that in mind, and let's all
> (including
> > me
> > admittedly) try to keep a more civil tone. At least on list.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [3]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 9:17 AM
> > To: Libertarian National Committee list;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set
> the
> > September Meeting Location
> > Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put
> out
> a
> > donation jar.
> >
> > When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
> obsessive
> > desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I
> have
> no
> > issue
> > with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
> > effective.
> > I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional
> as
> > well as
> > somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics." That is a
> shallow
> view
> > of
> > that. Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't
> serving
> a
> > purpose is just being ineffective.
> >
> > Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
> > environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader,
> we
> > don't
> > live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> >
> > Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes
> it
> > more
> > expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
> deal. We
> > shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and
> more
> > disruptive to lives than necessary.
> >
> > We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers
> etc, and
> > I
> > guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do
> that
> > at
> > 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights.
> And
> > that is
> > an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> >
> > As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for
> the
> > *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those
> sorts of
> > things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are
> we
> > willing
> > to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
> > situations, I
> > think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy.
> > That's
> > probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other
> > expenditures.
> > (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to
> the
> > current policy)
> >
> > There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having
> the
> > meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at
> least
> > gather
> > there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
> > together
> > and more team-building that helps business gets done then. This
> travel
> > to
> > some off site location and then us scattered in our various
> hotels
> > isolates
> > us from each other.
> >
> > This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The
> *cost*
> is
> > actually higher.
> >
> > The unintended consequences are large.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
> <[4]
> > [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.
> Typically
> we
> >> use a
> >> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> >> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
> certain
> >> number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> >> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to
> offset
> that
> >> cost.
> >>
> >> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their
> own
> >> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> >> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every
> 3-4
> >> months
> >> for those doing the party's business.
> >>
> >> Live Free,
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> [5]317-850-0726 Cell
> >>
> >> On [6]2018-07-19 08:16, [7]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered,
> some I
> >>> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that
> every one
> >>> else
> >>> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> >>> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on
> the
> >>> side of
> >>> no out of respect for those.
> >>> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a
> space,
> and
> >>> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help
> offset
> >>> that
> >>> cost.
> >>> John Phillips
> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> Cell [1][8]217-412-5973
> >>>
> >>> ------ Original message------
> >>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> >>> To: Richard Longstreth;
> >>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
> >>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to
> set
> the
> >>> September Meeting Location
> >>> Thank you for considering my points.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> >>> [9] [5]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
> considered
> that
> >>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
> those
> >>>> reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> And there are liability concerns.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
> those
> >>>>> Friday
> >>>>> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
> is
> >>>>> OPTIONAL. I
> >>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
> there is
> >>>>> zero
> >>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
> couple
> of
> >>>>> hours
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know.
> There
> >>>>> may
> >>>>> be a
> >>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
> someone's
> >>>>> house.
> >>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
> >>>>> wanting to
> >>>>> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
> wants
> to
> >>>>> leave,
> >>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to
> make
> a
> >>>>> big
> >>>>> show
> >>>>> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session?
> We
> ban
> >>>>> guests to
> >>>>> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
> of
> this
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
> ignored by
> >>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
> that
> >>>>> this a
> >>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it
> is
> >>>>> treated by
> >>>>> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> >>>>> understand
> >>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> >>>>> traditional
> >>>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
> think
> >>>>> keeping
> >>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so
> >>>>> outrageous,
> >>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who
> know
> >>>>> none
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> us will have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>> [3][10] [6]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
> highly
> >>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I
> personally
> am
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
> circumstances. *WE
> >>>>>> ARE
> >>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>
> [4][11][7]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
> e-
> >>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][12]1819565649
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
> when he
> >>>>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
> is no
> >>>>>> surprise.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>>> [6][13] [8]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I vote no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
> A
> >>>>>>> business
> >>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable
> with.
> >>>>>>> Women, in
> >>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone
> they
> do
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> know --
> >>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring
> to
> >>>>>>> members
> >>>>>>> outside
> >>>>>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied
> and
> my
> >>>>>>> husband I
> >>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
> business.
> >>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
> heated.
> >>>>>>> Where
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed
> off
> but
> >>>>>>> it has
> >>>>>>> happened.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
> WHOLE lot
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> unforseens.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
> people's
> >>>>>>> homes
> >>>>>>> for these reasons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>> [7][14] [9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
> >>>>>>> getting the
> >>>>>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
> that
> >>>>>>>> if you
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may
> get the
> >>>>>>>> answers.
> >>>>>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or
> any
> >>>>>>>> idea
> >>>>>>>> prior to
> >>>>>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make
> a
> >>>>>>>> proper
> >>>>>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> >>>>>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly
> answered
> by
> >>>>>>>> reading
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> >>>>>>>> requirements. I
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will
> await
> his
> >>>>>>>> response
> >>>>>>>> before asking more.
> >>>>>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry
> and
> >>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> Mr
> >>>>>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I
> will be
> >>>>>>>> asking
> >>>>>>>> this question.
> >>>>>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
> provided
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> aren't
> >>>>>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
> throughough
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
> better
> >>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the
> state.
> The
> >>>>>>>> average
> >>>>>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point.
> I
> >>>>>>>> typically
> >>>>>>>> stay
> >>>>>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I
> will
> >>>>>>>> attempt
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> find out the specific area and advise further.
> Remember,
> due
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> >>>>>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note
> that
> many
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> LNC
> >>>>>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> >>>>>>>> Whether
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel
> or
> >>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> >>>>>>>> thousands,
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least
> a
> >>>>>>>> consideration
> >>>>>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting
> on a
> >>>>>>>> free
> >>>>>>>> offer
> >>>>>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it
> like
> >>>>>>>> sardines
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> >>>>>>>> Richard
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via
> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> <[1[8][15]][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees.
> Record
> >>>>>>>> high
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is
> the
> end
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less
> likely
> to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
> >>>>>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting?
> What
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> room
> >>>>>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking
> distance?
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> On [9][16]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in
> September...75-100
> on
> >>>>>>>> average?
> >>>>>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
> >>>>>>>> proposal...
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >>>>>>>> > <[1][2[10][17]][11]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far
> from
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> nearest
> >>>>>>>> > hotel?
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard
> Longstreth
> via
> >>>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> > <[2][3[11][18]][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general
> membership
> >>>>>>>> funds, I
> >>>>>>>> move
> >>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>> > set
> >>>>>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home
> of
> >>>>>>>> Ernest
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> Donna
> >>>>>>>> > Hancock.
> >>>>>>>> > ===
> >>>>>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area
> has
> >>>>>>>> indicated
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> > have
> >>>>>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host
> our
> >>>>>>>> meeting.
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> > meeting
> >>>>>>>> > location has not currently been set and I
> am
> >>>>>>>> unaware
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>> > we
> >>>>>>>> > are at
> >>>>>>>> > as far as determining a location. After
> asking
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> question
> >>>>>>>> > last
> >>>>>>>> > week
> >>>>>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now
> moving
> >>>>>>>> to set
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> > location
> >>>>>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I
> would
> >>>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>>> everyone
> >>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us
> yesterday
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> includes
> >>>>>>>> > comments
> >>>>>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
> >>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative
> >>>>>>>> > --
> >>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS,
> MT,
> NM,
> >>>>>>>> OR,
> >>>>>>>> HI,
> >>>>>>>> UT,
> >>>>>>>> > WA,
> >>>>>>>> > WY)
> >>>>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> >
> [1][3][4[12][19]][13]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > [5][13][20]931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>> > References
> >>>>>>>> > 1.
> mailto:[4][6[14][21]][14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > References
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[7[15][22]][15]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:[8[16][23]][16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 3.
> mailto:[9[17][24]][17]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 4.
> mailto:[10[18][25]][18]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> HI,
> UT,
> >>>>>>>> WA,
> >>>>>>>> WY)
> >>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> [11[19][26]][19]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> [20][27]931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1. mailto[21][28]:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 2. mailto[22][29]:[21]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 3. mailto[23][30]:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 4. mailto[24][31]:[23]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 5. tel:[25][32](931) 538-9300
> >>>>>>>> 6. mailto[26][33]:[24]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 7. mailto[27][34]:[25]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 8. mailto[28][35]:[26]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 9. mailto[29][36]:[27]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 10. mailto[30][37]:[28]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 11. mailto[31][38]:[29]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary -
> >>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ann.
> >>>
> >>>> [33][39] Harlos at LP.org or[34][40] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35][41]
> >>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary -
> >>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> nn.
> >>>
> >>>> [37][42] Harlos at LP.org or[38][43] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39][44]
> >>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> -
> >>>>> [40][45]Caryn.An
> >>>>>
> >>>> n.
> >>>
> >>>> [41][46] Harlos at LP.org or[42][47] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43][48]
> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
> WA, WY)
> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> [44][49] [30]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>> [45][50]931.538.9300
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> -
> >>> [46][51]Caryn.Ann.[
> >>> 47]
> >>> [52] Harlos at LP.org or[48][53] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49][54]
> LPedia at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> *We defend your rights*
> >>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for considering my points.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
> >>> <[1[50][55]][31]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
> considered
> >>> that
> >>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this
> for
> >>> those
> >>> reasons.
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[2[51][56]][32]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And there are liability concerns.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what
> about
> those
> >>> Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different
> context and
> >>> is
> >>> OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that
> I
> know
> >>> well,
> >>> there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very
> short
> term,
> >>> a
> >>> couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has
> been
> >>> someone
> >>> I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday
> party.
> >>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
> someone's
> >>> house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and
> none of
> >>> us
> >>> wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if
> someone
> just
> >>> wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the
> door, one
> >>> has
> >>> to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about
> >>> executive
> >>> session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line
> for
> the
> >>> toilet?
> >>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
> of
> >>> this is
> >>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
> ignored
> >>> by
> >>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration
> is
> that
> >>> this
> >>> a real safety concern for female members of our Party and
> it
> is
> >>> treated
> >>> by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> >>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> >>> understand
> >>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> >>> traditional
> >>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I
> don't
> think
> >>> keeping a custom of business in a business conference room
> is
> so
> >>> outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns
> that
> >>> ladies
> >>> who know none of us will have.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[3[52][57]][33]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> >>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
> highly
> >>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I
> personally
> am
> >>> very
> >>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
> circumstances. WE
> >>> ARE
> >>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
> >>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >>>
> >>>
>
> [4][53][58][34]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-a
> s-site-
> >>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54][59]1819565649
> >>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
> when he
> >>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
> is no
> >>> surprise.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[5[55][60]][35]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I vote no.
> >>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
> A
> >>> business
> >>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> >>> Women, in
> >>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone
> they
> do
> >>> not
> >>> know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am
> referring
> >>> to
> >>> members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
> >>> unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's
> house
> >>> that
> >>> he doesn't know.
> >>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
> business.
> >>> You
> >>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
> heated.
> >>> Where
> >>> do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed
> off but
> >>> it
> >>> has happened.
> >>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
> WHOLE
> lot
> >>> of
> >>> unforseens.
> >>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
> people's
> >>> homes
> >>> for these reasons.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> <[6[56][61]][36]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior
> to
> >>> getting
> >>> the
> >>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
> that
> >>> if
> >>> you have
> >>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may
> get the
> >>> answers.
> >>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or
> any
> >>> idea
> >>> prior to
> >>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make
> a
> >>> proper
> >>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> >>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly
> answered
> by
> >>> reading the
> >>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> >>> requirements.
> >>> I have
> >>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will
> await
> his
> >>> response
> >>> before asking more.
> >>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry
> and
> >>> because Mr
> >>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I
> will be
> >>> asking
> >>> this question.
> >>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
> provided
> >>> you
> >>> aren't
> >>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
> throughough
> >>> the
> >>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
> better
> >>> than
> >>> average when compared to traveling outside of the
> state.
> The
> >>> average
> >>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point.
> I
> >>> typically
> >>> stay
> >>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I
> will
> >>> attempt to
> >>> find out the specific area and advise further.
> Remember,
> due
> >>> to
> >>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> >>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note
> that
> many
> >>> on
> >>> the LNC
> >>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> >>> Whether
> >>> that is
> >>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel
> or
> >>> something
> >>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> >>> thousands,
> >>> by
> >>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least
> a
> >>> consideration
> >>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting
> on a
> >>> free
> >>> offer
> >>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it
> like
> >>> sardines to
> >>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> >>> Richard
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via
> Lnc-business
> >>> <[1][7[57][62]][37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees.
> Record
> >>> high
> >>> for
> >>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is
> the
> end
> >>> of
> >>> the
> >>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less
> likely
> to
> >>> have
> >>> thunderstorms or humidity.
> >>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting?
> What
> >>> are
> >>> the
> >>> room
> >>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking
> distance?
> >>> ---
> >>> Tim Hagan
> >>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> On [58][63]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
> >>> Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in
> September...75-100
> on
> >>> average?
> >>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
> >>> proposal...
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >>> > <[1][2][8[59][64]][38]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far
> from
> >>> the
> >>> nearest
> >>> > hotel?
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard
> Longstreth
> via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>>
> >>> > <[2][3][9[60][65]][39]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Motion: In order to save the general
> membership
> >>> funds, I
> >>> move
> >>> > to
> >>> > set
> >>> > the September Meeting location at the home
> of
> >>> Ernest and
> >>> Donna
> >>> > Hancock.
> >>> > ===
> >>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has
> >>> indicated
> >>> that
> >>> they
> >>> > have
> >>> > the space available, at no charge, to host
> our
> >>> meeting.
> >>> The
> >>> > meeting
> >>> > location has not currently been set and I am
> >>> unaware of
> >>> where
> >>> > we
> >>> > are at
> >>> > as far as determining a location. After
> asking
> the
> >>> question
> >>> > last
> >>> > week
> >>> > and getting no official answer, I am now
> moving to
> >>> set
> >>> the
> >>> > location
> >>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would
> >>> encourage
> >>> everyone
> >>> > to
> >>> > review the email Starchild sent to us
> yesterday
> >>> which
> >>> includes
> >>> > comments
> >>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative
> >>> > --
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT,
> NM,
> >>> OR, HI,
> >>> UT,
> >>> > WA,
> >>> > WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>
> >>> >
> [1][3][4][10[61][66]][40]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > [5][62][67]931.538.9300
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1.
> >>> mailto:[4][6][11[63][68]][41]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >
> >>> > References
> >>> >
> >>> > 1.
> mailto:[7][12[64][69]][42]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> > 2.
> mailto:[8][13[65][70]][43]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 3.
> mailto:[9][14[66][71]][44]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 4.
> mailto:[10][15[67][72]][45]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> --
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> HI,
> UT,
> >>> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [11][16[68][73]][46]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [69][74]931.538.9300
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. mailto:[17[70][75]][47]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 2. mailto:[18[71][76]][48]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto:[19[72][77]][49]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 4. mailto:[20[73][78]][50]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 5. tel:[74][79](931) 538-9300
> >>> 6. mailto:[21[75][80]][51]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto:[22[76][81]][52]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto:[23[77][82]][53]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 9. mailto:[24[78][83]][54]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 10. mailto:[25[79][84]][55]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto:[26[80][85]][56]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [27][81][86]Caryn.Ann.[82][87] Harlos at LP.org or[83][88]
> >>> Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84][89]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [28][85][90]Caryn.Ann.[86][91] Harlos at LP.org or[87][92]
> >>> Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88][93]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [29][89][94]Caryn.Ann.[90][95] Harlos at LP.org or[91][96]
> >>> Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92][97]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
> UT,
> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [30[93][98]][57]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [94][99]931.538.9300
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [31][95][100]Caryn.Ann.[96][101] Harlos at LP.org
> or[97][102]
> >>> Secretary at LP.
> > org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98][103]
> >>> LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. mailto[99][104]:[58]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 2. mailto[100][105]:[59]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto[101][106]:[60]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 4.
> >>>
>
> [102][107][61]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as
> -
> >>> site-of-2000-l
> >>> ibertarian-conv-[108]1819565649
> >>> 5. mailto[103][109]:[62]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 6. mailto[104][110]:[63]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto[105][111]:[64]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto[106][112]:[65]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 9. mailto[107][113]:[66]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 10. mailto[108][114]:[67]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto[109][115]:[68]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 12. mailto[110][116]:[69]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 13. mailto[111][117]:[70]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 14. mailto[112][118]:[71]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 15. mailto[113][119]:[72]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 16. mailto[114][120]:[73]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 17. mailto[115][121]:[74]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 18. mailto[116][122]:[75]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 19. mailto[117][123]:[76]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 20. mailto[118][124]:[77]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 21. mailto[119][125]:[78]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 22. mailto[120][126]:[79]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 23. mailto[121][127]:[80]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 24. mailto[122][128]:[81]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 25. mailto[123][129]:[82]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 26. mailto[124][130]:[83]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 27. mailto[125][131]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 28. mailto[126][132]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 29. mailto[127][133]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 30. mailto[128][134]:[84]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 31. mailto[129][135]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. tel:[136]217-412-5973
> >>> 2. mailto:
> >>> [137] [85]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto:[138] [86]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 4.
> >>>
>
> [139][87]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site
> -
> >>> 5. tel:[140]1819565649
> >>> 6. mailto:[141] [88]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto:[142] [89]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto:[143]][90]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 9. tel:[144]2018-07-18 20
> >>> 10. mailto:[145]][91]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto:[146]][92]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 12. mailto:[147]][93]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 13. tel:[148]931.538.9300
> >>> 14. mailto:[149]][94]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 15. mailto:[150]][95]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 16. mailto:[151]][96]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 17. mailto:[152]][97]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 18. mailto:[153]][98]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 19. mailto:[154]][99]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 20. tel:[155]931.538.9300
> >>> 21. mailto:[156]:[100]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 22. mailto:[157]:[101]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 23. mailto:[158]:[102]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 24. mailto:[159]:[103]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 25. tel:[160](931) 538-9300
> >>> 26. mailto:[161]:[104]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 27. mailto:[162]:[105]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 28. mailto:[163]:[106]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 29. mailto:[164]:[107]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 30. mailto:[165]:[108]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 31. mailto:[166]:[109]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 32. [167][110]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 33. mailto:[168] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 34. mailto:[169] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 35. mailto:[170] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 36. [171][111]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 37. mailto:[172] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 38. mailto:[173] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 39. mailto:[174] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 40. [175][112]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 41. mailto:[176] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 42. mailto:[177] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 43. mailto:[178] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 44. mailto:[179] [113]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 45. tel:[180]931.538.9300
> >>> 46. [181][114]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 47. mailto:
> >>> [182] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 48. mailto:[183] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 49. mailto:[184] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 50. mailto:[185]][115]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 51. mailto:[186]][116]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 52. mailto:[187]][117]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 53.
> >>>
>
> [188][118]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
> e-
> >>> 54. tel:[189]1819565649
> >>> 55. mailto:[190]][119]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 56. mailto:[191]][120]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 57. mailto:[192]][121]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 58. tel:[193]2018-07-18 20
> >>> 59. mailto:[194]][122]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 60. mailto:[195]][123]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 61. mailto:[196]][124]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 62. tel:[197]931.538.9300
> >>> 63. mailto:[198]][125]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 64. mailto:[199]][126]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 65. mailto:[200]][127]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 66. mailto:[201]][128]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 67. mailto:[202]][129]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 68. mailto:[203]][130]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 69. tel:[204]931.538.9300
> >>> 70. mailto:[205]][131]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 71. mailto:[206]][132]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 72. mailto:[207]][133]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 73. mailto:[208]][134]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 74. tel:[209](931) 538-9300
> >>> 6
> >>> 75. mailto:[210]][135]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 76. mailto:[211]][136]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 77. mailto:[212]][137]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 78. mailto:[213]][138]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 79. mailto:[214]][139]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 80. mailto:[215]][140]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 81. [216][141]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 82. mailto:[217] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 83. mailto:[218] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 84. mailto:[219] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 85. [220][142]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 86. mailto:[221] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 87. mailto:[222] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 88. mailto:[223] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 89. [224][143]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 90. mailto:[225] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 91. mailto:[226] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 92. mailto:[227] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 93. mailto:[228]][144]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 94. tel:[229]931.538.9300
> >>> 95. [230][145]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 96. mailto:[231] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 97. mailto:[232] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 98. mailto:[233] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 99. mailto:[234]:[146]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 100. mailto:[235]:[147]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 101. mailto:[236]:[148]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 102.
> >>>
>
> [237][149]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
> e-
> >>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[238]1819565649
> >>> 103. mailto:[239]:[150]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 104. mailto:[240]:[151]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 105. mailto:[241]:[152]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 106. mailto:[242]:[153]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 107. mailto:[243]:[154]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 108. mailto:[244]:[155]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 109. mailto:[245]:[156]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 110. mailto:[246]:[157]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 111. mailto:[247]:[158]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 112. mailto:[248]:[159]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 113. mailto:[249]:[160]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 114. mailto:[250]:[161]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 115. mailto:[251]:[162]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 116. mailto:[252]:[163]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 117. mailto:[253]:[164]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 118. mailto:[254]:[165]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 119. mailto:[255]:[166]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 120. mailto:[256]:[167]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 121. mailto:[257]:[168]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 122. mailto:[258]:[169]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 123. mailto:[259]:[170]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 124. mailto:[260]:[171]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 125. mailto:[261]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 126. mailto:[262]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 127. mailto:[263]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 128. mailto:[264]:[172]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 129. mailto:[265]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > *In Liberty,*
> > *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > [266]Caryn.Ann.
> > [267]
> > Harlos at LP.org or[268] Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[269] LPedia at LP.org
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > *We defend your rights*
> > *And oppose the use of force*
> > *Taxation is theft*
> >
> > Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should
> put
> out a
> > donation jar.
> > When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
> > obsessive
> > desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I
> have
> > no
> > issue with that. I want us to be professional. Why?
> Because
> it is
> > effective. I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
> > anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck
> respectability
> > politics." That is a shallow view of that. Being a
> contrarian
> for
> > the
> > sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being
> > ineffective.
> > Business meetings are effective when conducted in a
> professional
> > environment. If that statement is controversial to any
> reader,
> we
> > don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> > Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply
> makes it
> > more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a
> great
> > deal. We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it
> already is
> > and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
> > We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for
> ubers
> etc,
> > and
> > I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess
> I
> do
> > that
> > at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest
> flights.
> > And
> > that is an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> > As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but
> for
> the
> > *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those
> sorts
> > of
> > things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded.
> Are
> we
> > willing to put kind-hearted party members through that? So
> for
> this
> > situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term
> > liability
> > policy. That's probably about $150 - at least we get food
> out
> of
> > the
> > other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost
> rider
> > could be added to the current policy)
> > There is also a very definite loss to business. How so?
> Having the
> > meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at
> least
> > gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us
> to go
> > out
> > together and more team-building that helps business gets done
> then.
> > This travel to some off site location and then us scattered
> in
> our
> > various hotels isolates us from each other.
> > This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The
> *cost* is
> > actually higher.
> > The unintended consequences are large.
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via
> Lnc-business
> > <[1[270]][173]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.
> Typically
> > we
> > use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no
> cost to
> > the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have
> a
> > certain number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> > can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to
> offset
> > that cost.
> > We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at
> their
> > own
> > expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> > members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal
> every
> > 3-4
> > months for those doing the party's business.
> > Live Free,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > [271]317-850-0726 Cell
> > On [272]2018-07-19 08:16, [273]john.phillips--- via
> Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> >
> > Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had
> considered,
> > some
> > I
> > had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that
> every
> > one else
> > knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> > Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall
> on
> the
> > side of
> > no out of respect for those.
> > I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a
> space,
> > and
> > perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help
> offset
> > that
> > cost.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [1][274]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> > To: Richard Longstreth;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee
> list;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion
> to
> set
> > the
> > September Meeting Location
> > Thank you for considering my points.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> > [2[275]][174]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
> considered
> that
> > viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
> those
> > reasons.
> > Richard
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> > wrote:
> >
> > And there are liability concerns.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
> those
> > Friday
> > night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
> is
> > OPTIONAL. I
> > go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
> there is
> > zero
> > chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple
> of
> > hours
> > at
> > most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know.
> There
> > may
> > be a
> > time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> > Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
> someone's
> > house.
> > Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
> wanting
> > to
> > snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants
> to
> > leave,
> > rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to
> make
> a big
> > show
> > of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We
> ban
> > guests to
> > the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> > It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
> of
> this
> > is
> > about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
> ignored by
> > Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
> that
> > this
> > a
> > real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
> > treated
> > by
> > him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> > Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> > understand
> > that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> traditional
> > atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
> think
> > keeping
> > a custom of business in a business conference room is so
> outrageous,
> > particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who
> know
> > none
> > of
> > us will have.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >
> > [3] [3[276]][175]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> > I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
> highly
> > prejudicial to female members of the party, and I
> personally
> am
> > very
> > uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
> circumstances. *WE
> > ARE
> > THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> > Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >
> >
>
> [4][4][277][176]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-
> as-site-
> > of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][278]1819565649
> > Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
> when he
> > doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
> is no
> > surprise.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > [6] [5[279]][177]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I vote no.
> > I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
> A
> > business
> > meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> > Women,
> > in
> > general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone
> they
> do
> > not
> > know --
> > I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
> > members
> > outside
> > of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied
> and
> my
> > husband I
> > would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> > It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
> business.
> > You
> > never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
> heated.
> > Where do
> > you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off
> but it
> > has
> > happened.
> > Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
> WHOLE
> lot
> > of
> > unforseens.
> > Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
> people's
> > homes
> > for these reasons.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> > Lnc-business <
> > [7] [6[280]][178]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
> getting
> > the
> > questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
> that
> if
> > you
> > have
> > quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get
> the
> > answers.
> > I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any
> idea
> > prior to
> > having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
> proper
> > determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> > I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered
> by
> > reading
> > the
> > email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> requirements.
> > I
> > have
> > also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await
> his
> > response
> > before asking more.
> > Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
> > because
> > Mr
> > Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will
> be
> > asking
> > this question.
> > Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
> provided
> you
> > aren't
> > looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
> throughough the
> > Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
> better
> than
> > average when compared to traveling outside of the state.
> The
> > average
> > Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
> typically
> > stay
> > in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
> > attempt
> > to
> > find out the specific area and advise further. Remember,
> due
> to
> > temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> > The question of transport is fair, however, I note that
> many
> on
> > the
> > LNC
> > will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> Whether
> > that
> > is
> > from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
> > something
> > else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> thousands,
> > by
> > not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
> > consideration
> > before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on
> a
> free
> > offer
> > at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
> > sardines
> > to
> > save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> > Richard
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
> >
> > <[1[8]][7[281]][179]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [180]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
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> 176. https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-
> 177. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 178. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 179. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 180. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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Craig and I are on the same page.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Craig Bowden via Lnc-business
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 11:40 AM
To: LNC-Business List;
Cc: Craig Bowden;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set the
September Meeting Location
Just to chime in with my two cents on the location issue:
1. I do appreciate the outside the box thinking. We do need to have some
of that in what we do. No question there.
2. Starchild is an awesome activist and one of the strongest voices in
our movement
3. The offer was very gracious by our members.
4. We should always look at ways to save money to give our membership
the most bang for its buck.
That being said, there are valid concerns. On top of some issues that
have already been brought up, I will add that as a veteran of the Iraq
war, being outside in 90+ degree weather (especially in a desert
landscape) would not go over very well with one of the issues I have.
Hot weather is a trigger for me with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Add
in a possibility for a tense situation, as can happen with some
meetings, and it is a risk for things like panic attacks.
As much as I hate to bring up any sort of collectivist type arguments,
in cases like this we do need to look at what the majority of
individuals consider appropriate on this committee.
So far, what I am hearing from most people who have given their two
cents:
1. Medical issues that warrant an actual meeting space
2. Professionalism issues of wanting to be seen as an organization ready
to take on two powerful entities
3. Safety concerns
4. Liability issues
I trust Mr. Sarwark and Mr. Kraus to find an affordable option for us.
With the added benefit of membership living in the area, I am sure there
will be no shortage of willingness to help in coordinating rides to
offset costs.
Regards,
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On [2]2018-07-19 10:07, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Well that is true as well.
> I can’t even imagine my back after lounging on a lawn for an hour.
> That’s a whole other issue. I have to worry about seating due to
> spinal stenosis. Hotel conference room seating is pretty uniform.
> I love Starchild to death and agree on 90% of things. But
> definitely
> not on this or having conventions in a field.
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:48 AM Sam Goldstein
> <[1[3]]sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> I disagree! Obviously the consequences for old people are much
> more
> severe than women!
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> [4]317-850-0726 Cell
> On [5]2018-07-19 11:28, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I just saw Starchild's original email to Ernest. This meeting
> is
> > proposed to be held on the patio. No tables. We would have
> to
> rent
> > all that.
> > And then he opined, well, we should just be willing to all
> sit
> on
> > the
> > lawn (no chairs) under a shady tree.
> > After having put up with this nonsense for hours and hours
> and
> years
> > and years, it is so old.
> > I don't think I was uncivil to him. It is symptomatic though
> of a
> > culture we have that has unconfronted and unintended huge
> negatives
> > for
> > women.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:16 AM, [1][2[6]]john.phillips at lp.org
> > <[2][3[7]]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > At this point I would say the case is made to not take
> advantage of
> > the
> > offer at this time.
> > I will not be taking away from Starchild's valid concerns
> about
> > cost,
> > cheaper options are usually worth at least looking at.
> > I will also not take away from everyone's valid concerns
> about
> the
> > other issues.
> > The wisest statement here was about penny wise, pound
> foolish.
> > There
> > is a cost/benefit analysis to everything.
> > Which is why I asked for an actual cost. I expect that the
> actual
> > cost
> > is somewhere in the middle of the options I have been
> presented.
> > This
> > is not an argument for this particular instance, in my mind
> that is
> > already settled as a resounding no. It is merely an attempt
> to
> > address
> > valid questions brought by our membership, and not just
> Starchild,
> > about expenditures and if there is an option for cheaper.
> > I spent more than 2 decades in the hospitality industry, and
> "free"
> > use
> > of a room is not really free, just like anything else that is
> > claimed
> > to be free. For example at the recent convention the price
> of
> food
> > and
> > drinks was astronomical compared to what was readily
> available
> > locally. So looking at that cost/benefit is a valid concern.
> > I understand the frustration of dealing with questions you
> feel
> have
> > already been dealt with, but SEVERAL of us are new here and
> have not
> > taken part. So please keep that in mind, and let's all
> (including
> > me
> > admittedly) try to keep a more civil tone. At least on list.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [3][8]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 9:17 AM
> > To: Libertarian National Committee list;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to set
> the
> > September Meeting Location
> > Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should put
> out
> a
> > donation jar.
> >
> > When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
> obsessive
> > desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I
> have
> no
> > issue
> > with that. I want us to be professional. Why? Because it is
> > effective.
> > I submit that there is an obsessive need to be anti-professional
> as
> > well as
> > somehow that is "f*ck respectability politics." That is a
> shallow
> view
> > of
> > that. Being a contrarian for the sake of it when it isn't
> serving
> a
> > purpose is just being ineffective.
> >
> > Business meetings are effective when conducted in a professional
> > environment. If that statement is controversial to any reader,
> we
> > don't
> > live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> >
> > Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply makes
> it
> > more
> > expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a great
> deal. We
> > shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it already is and
> more
> > disruptive to lives than necessary.
> >
> > We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for ubers
> etc, and
> > I
> > guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess I do
> that
> > at
> > 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest flights.
> And
> > that is
> > an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> >
> > As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but for
> the
> > *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those
> sorts of
> > things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded. Are
> we
> > willing
> > to put kind-hearted party members through that? So for this
> > situations, I
> > think the Party would have to buy a short term liability policy.
> > That's
> > probably about $150 - at least we get food out of the other
> > expenditures.
> > (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost rider could be added to
> the
> > current policy)
> >
> > There is also a very definite loss to business. How so? Having
> the
> > meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at
> least
> > gather
> > there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us to go out
> > together
> > and more team-building that helps business gets done then. This
> travel
> > to
> > some off site location and then us scattered in our various
> hotels
> > isolates
> > us from each other.
> >
> > This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The
> *cost*
> is
> > actually higher.
> >
> > The unintended consequences are large.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
> <[4]
> > [4[9]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.
> Typically
> we
> >> use a
> >> hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no cost to
> >> the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have a
> certain
> >> number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> >> can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to
> offset
> that
> >> cost.
> >>
> >> We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at their
> own
> >> expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> >> members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal every
> 3-4
> >> months
> >> for those doing the party's business.
> >>
> >> Live Free,
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Sam Goldstein
> >> Libertarian National Committee
> >> [5][10]317-850-0726 Cell
> >>
> >> On [6][11]2018-07-19 08:16, [7][12]john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had considered,
> some I
> >>> had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that
> every one
> >>> else
> >>> knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> >>> Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall on
> the
> >>> side of
> >>> no out of respect for those.
> >>> I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a
> space,
> and
> >>> perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help
> offset
> >>> that
> >>> cost.
> >>> John Phillips
> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >>> Cell [1][8][13]217-412-5973
> >>>
> >>> ------ Original message------
> >>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> >>> To: Richard Longstreth;
> >>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee list;
> >>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion to
> set
> the
> >>> September Meeting Location
> >>> Thank you for considering my points.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> >>> [9] [5[14]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
> considered
> that
> >>>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
> those
> >>>> reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> And there are liability concerns.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
> those
> >>>>> Friday
> >>>>> night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
> is
> >>>>> OPTIONAL. I
> >>>>> go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
> there is
> >>>>> zero
> >>>>> chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a
> couple
> of
> >>>>> hours
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know.
> There
> >>>>> may
> >>>>> be a
> >>>>> time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
> someone's
> >>>>> house.
> >>>>> Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
> >>>>> wanting to
> >>>>> snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just
> wants
> to
> >>>>> leave,
> >>>>> rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to
> make
> a
> >>>>> big
> >>>>> show
> >>>>> of it and get an uber. And what about executive session?
> We
> ban
> >>>>> guests to
> >>>>> the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
> of
> this
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
> ignored by
> >>>>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
> that
> >>>>> this a
> >>>>> real safety concern for female members of our Party and it
> is
> >>>>> treated by
> >>>>> him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> >>>>> understand
> >>>>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> >>>>> traditional
> >>>>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
> think
> >>>>> keeping
> >>>>> a custom of business in a business conference room is so
> >>>>> outrageous,
> >>>>> particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who
> know
> >>>>> none
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> us will have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>> [3][10] [6[15]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
> highly
> >>>>>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I
> personally
> am
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
> circumstances. *WE
> >>>>>> ARE
> >>>>>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>
> [4][11][7][16]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
> e-
> >>>>>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][12][17]1819565649
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
> when he
> >>>>>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
> is no
> >>>>>> surprise.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >>>>>> [6][13] [8[18]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I vote no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
> A
> >>>>>>> business
> >>>>>>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable
> with.
> >>>>>>> Women, in
> >>>>>>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone
> they
> do
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> know --
> >>>>>>> I am not referring to committee members. I am referring
> to
> >>>>>>> members
> >>>>>>> outside
> >>>>>>> of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied
> and
> my
> >>>>>>> husband I
> >>>>>>> would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
> business.
> >>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
> heated.
> >>>>>>> Where
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>> you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed
> off
> but
> >>>>>>> it has
> >>>>>>> happened.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
> WHOLE lot
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> unforseens.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
> people's
> >>>>>>> homes
> >>>>>>> for these reasons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>> [7][14] [9[19]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
> >>>>>>> getting the
> >>>>>>>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
> that
> >>>>>>>> if you
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may
> get the
> >>>>>>>> answers.
> >>>>>>>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or
> any
> >>>>>>>> idea
> >>>>>>>> prior to
> >>>>>>>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make
> a
> >>>>>>>> proper
> >>>>>>>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> >>>>>>>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly
> answered
> by
> >>>>>>>> reading
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> >>>>>>>> requirements. I
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will
> await
> his
> >>>>>>>> response
> >>>>>>>> before asking more.
> >>>>>>>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry
> and
> >>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> Mr
> >>>>>>>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I
> will be
> >>>>>>>> asking
> >>>>>>>> this question.
> >>>>>>>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
> provided
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> aren't
> >>>>>>>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
> throughough
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
> better
> >>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>> average when compared to traveling outside of the
> state.
> The
> >>>>>>>> average
> >>>>>>>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point.
> I
> >>>>>>>> typically
> >>>>>>>> stay
> >>>>>>>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I
> will
> >>>>>>>> attempt
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> find out the specific area and advise further.
> Remember,
> due
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> >>>>>>>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note
> that
> many
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> LNC
> >>>>>>>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> >>>>>>>> Whether
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel
> or
> >>>>>>>> something
> >>>>>>>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> >>>>>>>> thousands,
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least
> a
> >>>>>>>> consideration
> >>>>>>>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting
> on a
> >>>>>>>> free
> >>>>>>>> offer
> >>>>>>>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it
> like
> >>>>>>>> sardines
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> >>>>>>>> Richard
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via
> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> <[1[8][15]][10[20]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees.
> Record
> >>>>>>>> high
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is
> the
> end
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less
> likely
> to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> thunderstorms or humidity.
> >>>>>>>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting?
> What
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> room
> >>>>>>>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking
> distance?
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> On [9][16][21]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in
> September...75-100
> on
> >>>>>>>> average?
> >>>>>>>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
> >>>>>>>> proposal...
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >>>>>>>> > <[1][2[10][17]][11[22]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far
> from
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> nearest
> >>>>>>>> > hotel?
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard
> Longstreth
> via
> >>>>>>>> Lnc-business
> >>>>>>>> > <[2][3[11][18]][12[23]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > Motion: In order to save the general
> membership
> >>>>>>>> funds, I
> >>>>>>>> move
> >>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>> > set
> >>>>>>>> > the September Meeting location at the home
> of
> >>>>>>>> Ernest
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> Donna
> >>>>>>>> > Hancock.
> >>>>>>>> > ===
> >>>>>>>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area
> has
> >>>>>>>> indicated
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> > have
> >>>>>>>> > the space available, at no charge, to host
> our
> >>>>>>>> meeting.
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> > meeting
> >>>>>>>> > location has not currently been set and I
> am
> >>>>>>>> unaware
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>> > we
> >>>>>>>> > are at
> >>>>>>>> > as far as determining a location. After
> asking
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> question
> >>>>>>>> > last
> >>>>>>>> > week
> >>>>>>>> > and getting no official answer, I am now
> moving
> >>>>>>>> to set
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> > location
> >>>>>>>> > ahead of any official announcement. I
> would
> >>>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>>> everyone
> >>>>>>>> > to
> >>>>>>>> > review the email Starchild sent to us
> yesterday
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> includes
> >>>>>>>> > comments
> >>>>>>>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
> >>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative
> >>>>>>>> > --
> >>>>>>>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS,
> MT,
> NM,
> >>>>>>>> OR,
> >>>>>>>> HI,
> >>>>>>>> UT,
> >>>>>>>> > WA,
> >>>>>>>> > WY)
> >>>>>>>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> >
> [1][3][4[12][19]][13[24]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > [5][13][20][25]931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>> > References
> >>>>>>>> > 1.
> mailto:[4][6[14][21]][14[26]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > References
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > 1. mailto:[7[15][22]][15[27]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 2. mailto:[8[16][23]][16[28]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 3.
> mailto:[9[17][24]][17[29]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> > 4.
> mailto:[10[18][25]][18[30]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> HI,
> UT,
> >>>>>>>> WA,
> >>>>>>>> WY)
> >>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>> [11[19][26]][19[31]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> [20][27][32]931.538.9300
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> References
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1. mailto[21][28]:[20[33]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 2. mailto[22][29]:[21[34]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 3. mailto[23][30]:[22[35]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 4. mailto[24][31]:[23[36]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 5. tel:[25][32][37](931) 538-9300
> >>>>>>>> 6. mailto[26][33]:[24[38]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 7. mailto[27][34]:[25[39]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 8. mailto[28][35]:[26[40]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 9. mailto[29][36]:[27[41]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 10. mailto[30][37]:[28[42]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>> 11. mailto[31][38]:[29[43]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary -
> >>>>>>> [32]Caryn.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ann.
> >>>
> >>>> [33][39][44] Harlos at LP.org or[34][40][45] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[35][41]
> >>>>>>>[46] LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary -
> >>>>>> [36]Caryn.A
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> nn.
> >>>
> >>>> [37][42][47] Harlos at LP.org or[38][43][48] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[39][44]
> >>>>>>[49] LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> -
> >>>>> [40][45][50]Caryn.An
> >>>>>
> >>>> n.
> >>>
> >>>> [41][46][51] Harlos at LP.org or[42][47][52] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[43][48]
> [53] LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>> *We defend your rights*
> >>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>>>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>> Richard Longstreth
> >>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
> WA, WY)
> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> [44][49] [30[54]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>> [45][50][55]931.538.9300
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> -
> >>> [46][51][56]Caryn.Ann.[
> >>> 47]
> >>> [52][57] Harlos at LP.org or[48][53][58] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[49][54]
> [59] LPedia at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> *We defend your rights*
> >>> *And oppose the use of force*
> >>> *Taxation is theft*
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for considering my points.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth
> >>> <[1[50][55]][31[60]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
> considered
> >>> that
> >>> viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this
> for
> >>> those
> >>> reasons.
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[2[51][56]][32[61]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And there are liability concerns.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>> And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what
> about
> those
> >>> Friday night parties?" A party is a totally different
> context and
> >>> is
> >>> OPTIONAL. I go there were several members of the LNC that
> I
> know
> >>> well,
> >>> there is zero chance for conflict, and it is very very
> short
> term,
> >>> a
> >>> couple of hours at most. And each time so far, it has
> been
> >>> someone
> >>> I know. There may be a time where I don't go to the Friday
> party.
> >>> Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
> someone's
> >>> house. Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and
> none of
> >>> us
> >>> wanting to snack for fear of being too messy. And if
> someone
> just
> >>> wants to leave, rather than a polite excusal and out the
> door, one
> >>> has
> >>> to make a big show of it and get an uber. And what about
> >>> executive
> >>> session? We ban guests to the back yard? Stand in line
> for
> the
> >>> toilet?
> >>> It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
> of
> >>> this is
> >>> about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
> ignored
> >>> by
> >>> Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration
> is
> that
> >>> this
> >>> a real safety concern for female members of our Party and
> it
> is
> >>> treated
> >>> by him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> >>> Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> >>> understand
> >>> that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> >>> traditional
> >>> atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I
> don't
> think
> >>> keeping a custom of business in a business conference room
> is
> so
> >>> outrageous, particularly considering the safety concerns
> that
> >>> ladies
> >>> who know none of us will have.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[3[52][57]][33[62]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> >>> I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
> highly
> >>> prejudicial to female members of the party, and I
> personally
> am
> >>> very
> >>> uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
> circumstances. WE
> >>> ARE
> >>> THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.
> >>> Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >>>
> >>>
>
> [4][53][58][34][63]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-a
> s-site-
> >>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[54][59][64]1819565649
> >>> Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
> when he
> >>> doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
> is no
> >>> surprise.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <[5[55][60]][35[65]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I vote no.
> >>> I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
> A
> >>> business
> >>> meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> >>> Women, in
> >>> general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone
> they
> do
> >>> not
> >>> know -- I am not referring to committee members. I am
> referring
> >>> to
> >>> members outside of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere
> >>> unaccompanied and my husband I would just be at so and so's
> house
> >>> that
> >>> he doesn't know.
> >>> It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
> business.
> >>> You
> >>> never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
> heated.
> >>> Where
> >>> do you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed
> off but
> >>> it
> >>> has happened.
> >>> Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
> WHOLE
> lot
> >>> of
> >>> unforseens.
> >>> Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
> people's
> >>> homes
> >>> for these reasons.
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>> <[6[56][61]][36[66]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior
> to
> >>> getting
> >>> the
> >>> questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
> that
> >>> if
> >>> you have
> >>> quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may
> get the
> >>> answers.
> >>> I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or
> any
> >>> idea
> >>> prior to
> >>> having an opportunity to address the concerns and make
> a
> >>> proper
> >>> determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> >>> I believe many of these concerns are implicitly
> answered
> by
> >>> reading the
> >>> email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> >>> requirements.
> >>> I have
> >>> also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will
> await
> his
> >>> response
> >>> before asking more.
> >>> Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry
> and
> >>> because Mr
> >>> Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I
> will be
> >>> asking
> >>> this question.
> >>> Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
> provided
> >>> you
> >>> aren't
> >>> looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
> throughough
> >>> the
> >>> Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
> better
> >>> than
> >>> average when compared to traveling outside of the
> state.
> The
> >>> average
> >>> Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point.
> I
> >>> typically
> >>> stay
> >>> in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I
> will
> >>> attempt to
> >>> find out the specific area and advise further.
> Remember,
> due
> >>> to
> >>> temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> >>> The question of transport is fair, however, I note
> that
> many
> >>> on
> >>> the LNC
> >>> will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> >>> Whether
> >>> that is
> >>> from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel
> or
> >>> something
> >>> else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> >>> thousands,
> >>> by
> >>> not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least
> a
> >>> consideration
> >>> before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting
> on a
> >>> free
> >>> offer
> >>> at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it
> like
> >>> sardines to
> >>> save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> >>> Richard
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via
> Lnc-business
> >>> <[1][7[57][62]][37[67]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> Average high for September 29 & 30 is 95 degrees.
> Record
> >>> high
> >>> for
> >>> September 29 was 107 degrees in 2003. September is
> the
> end
> >>> of
> >>> the
> >>> monsoon season, so the end of the month is less
> likely
> to
> >>> have
> >>> thunderstorms or humidity.
> >>> Does the place have WiFi to live-stream the meeting?
> What
> >>> are
> >>> the
> >>> room
> >>> rates for the hotels nearby or within walking
> distance?
> >>> ---
> >>> Tim Hagan
> >>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>> On [58][63][68]2018-07-18 20:09, Whitney Bilyeu via
> >>> Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > Also, temperatures in Phoenix in
> September...75-100
> on
> >>> average?
> >>> > Something to consider for the outdoor meeting
> >>> proposal...
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 10:00 PM Whitney Bilyeu
> >>> > <[1][2][8[59][64]][38[69]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > How far is this place from the airport? How far
> from
> >>> the
> >>> nearest
> >>> > hotel?
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 9:49 PM Richard
> Longstreth
> via
> >>> Lnc-business
> >>>
> >>> > <[2][3][9[60][65]][39[70]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Motion: In order to save the general
> membership
> >>> funds, I
> >>> move
> >>> > to
> >>> > set
> >>> > the September Meeting location at the home
> of
> >>> Ernest and
> >>> Donna
> >>> > Hancock.
> >>> > ===
> >>> > Rationale: A member in the Phoenix area has
> >>> indicated
> >>> that
> >>> they
> >>> > have
> >>> > the space available, at no charge, to host
> our
> >>> meeting.
> >>> The
> >>> > meeting
> >>> > location has not currently been set and I am
> >>> unaware of
> >>> where
> >>> > we
> >>> > are at
> >>> > as far as determining a location. After
> asking
> the
> >>> question
> >>> > last
> >>> > week
> >>> > and getting no official answer, I am now
> moving to
> >>> set
> >>> the
> >>> > location
> >>> > ahead of any official announcement. I would
> >>> encourage
> >>> everyone
> >>> > to
> >>> > review the email Starchild sent to us
> yesterday
> >>> which
> >>> includes
> >>> > comments
> >>> > from Ernie, the homeowner.
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative
> >>> > --
> >>> > Richard Longstreth
> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT,
> NM,
> >>> OR, HI,
> >>> UT,
> >>> > WA,
> >>> > WY)
> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
> >>>
> >>> >
> [1][3][4][10[61][66]][40[71]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > [5][62][67][72]931.538.9300
> >>> > References
> >>> > 1.
> >>> mailto:[4][6][11[63][68]][41[73]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> >
> >>> > References
> >>> >
> >>> > 1.
> mailto:[7][12[64][69]][42[74]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> > 2.
> mailto:[8][13[65][70]][43[75]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> > 3.
> mailto:[9][14[66][71]][44[76]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> > 4.
> mailto:[10][15[67][72]][45[77]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> --
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> HI,
> UT,
> >>> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [11][16[68][73]][46[78]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [69][74][79]931.538.9300
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. mailto:[17[70][75]][47[80]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 2. mailto:[18[71][76]][48[81]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto:[19[72][77]][49[82]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 4. mailto:[20[73][78]][50[83]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 5. tel:[74][79][84](931) 538-9300
> >>> 6. mailto:[21[75][80]][51[85]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto:[22[76][81]][52[86]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto:[23[77][82]][53[87]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 9. mailto:[24[78][83]][54[88]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 10. mailto:[25[79][84]][55[89]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto:[26[80][85]][56[90]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [27][81][86][91]Caryn.Ann.[82][87][92] Harlos at LP.org or[83][88]
> >>>[93] Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[84][89]
> >>>[94] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [28][85][90][95]Caryn.Ann.[86][91][96] Harlos at LP.org or[87][92]
> >>>[97] Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[88][93]
> >>>[98] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [29][89][94][99]Caryn.Ann.[90][95][100] Harlos at LP.org or[91][96]
> >>>[101] Secretary at LP.org
> > .
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[92][97]
> >>>[102] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
> UT,
> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [30[93][98]][57[103]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [94][99][104]931.538.9300
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> >>> - [31][95][100][105]Caryn.Ann.[96][101][106] Harlos at LP.org
> or[97][102]
> >>> Secretary at LP.
> > org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98][103]
> >>>[107] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. mailto[99][104]:[58[108]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 2. mailto[100][105]:[59[109]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto[101][106]:[60[110]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 4.
> >>>
>
> [102][107][61][111]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as
> -
> >>> site-of-2000-l
> >>> ibertarian-conv-[108][112]1819565649
> >>> 5. mailto[103][109]:[62[113]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 6. mailto[104][110]:[63[114]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto[105][111]:[64[115]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto[106][112]:[65[116]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 9. mailto[107][113]:[66[117]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 10. mailto[108][114]:[67[118]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto[109][115]:[68[119]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 12. mailto[110][116]:[69[120]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 13. mailto[111][117]:[70[121]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 14. mailto[112][118]:[71[122]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 15. mailto[113][119]:[72[123]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 16. mailto[114][120]:[73[124]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 17. mailto[115][121]:[74[125]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 18. mailto[116][122]:[75[126]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 19. mailto[117][123]:[76[127]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 20. mailto[118][124]:[77[128]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 21. mailto[119][125]:[78[129]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 22. mailto[120][126]:[79[130]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 23. mailto[121][127]:[80[131]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 24. mailto[122][128]:[81[132]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 25. mailto[123][129]:[82[133]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 26. mailto[124][130]:[83[134]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 27. mailto[125][131][135]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 28. mailto[126][132][136]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 29. mailto[127][133][137]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 30. mailto[128][134]:[84[138]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 31. mailto[129][135][139]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. tel:[136][140]217-412-5973
> >>> 2. mailto:
> >>> [137] [85[141]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 3. mailto:[138] [86[142]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 4.
> >>>
>
> [139][87][143]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site
> -
> >>> 5. tel:[140][144]1819565649
> >>> 6. mailto:[141] [88[145]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 7. mailto:[142] [89[146]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 8. mailto:[143]][90[147]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 9. tel:[144][148]2018-07-18 20
> >>> 10. mailto:[145]][91[149]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 11. mailto:[146]][92[150]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 12. mailto:[147]][93[151]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 13. tel:[148][152]931.538.9300
> >>> 14. mailto:[149]][94[153]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 15. mailto:[150]][95[154]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 16. mailto:[151]][96[155]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 17. mailto:[152]][97[156]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 18. mailto:[153]][98[157]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 19. mailto:[154]][99[158]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 20. tel:[155][159]931.538.9300
> >>> 21. mailto:[156]:[100[160]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 22. mailto:[157]:[101[161]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 23. mailto:[158]:[102[162]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 24. mailto:[159]:[103[163]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 25. tel:[160][164](931) 538-9300
> >>> 26. mailto:[161]:[104[165]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 27. mailto:[162]:[105[166]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 28. mailto:[163]:[106[167]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 29. mailto:[164]:[107[168]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 30. mailto:[165]:[108[169]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 31. mailto:[166]:[109[170]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 32. [167][110][171]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 33. mailto:[168][172] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 34. mailto:[169][173] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 35. mailto:[170][174] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 36. [171][111][175]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 37. mailto:[172][176] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 38. mailto:[173][177] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 39. mailto:[174][178] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 40. [175][112][179]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 41. mailto:[176][180] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 42. mailto:[177][181] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 43. mailto:[178][182] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 44. mailto:[179] [113[183]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 45. tel:[180][184]931.538.9300
> >>> 46. [181][114][185]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 47. mailto:
> >>> [182][186] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 48. mailto:[183][187] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 49. mailto:[184][188] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 50. mailto:[185]][115[189]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 51. mailto:[186]][116[190]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 52. mailto:[187]][117[191]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 53.
> >>>
>
> [188][118][192]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
> e-
> >>> 54. tel:[189][193]1819565649
> >>> 55. mailto:[190]][119[194]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 56. mailto:[191]][120[195]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 57. mailto:[192]][121[196]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 58. tel:[193][197]2018-07-18 20
> >>> 59. mailto:[194]][122[198]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 60. mailto:[195]][123[199]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 61. mailto:[196]][124[200]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 62. tel:[197][201]931.538.9300
> >>> 63. mailto:[198]][125[202]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 64. mailto:[199]][126[203]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 65. mailto:[200]][127[204]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 66. mailto:[201]][128[205]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 67. mailto:[202]][129[206]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 68. mailto:[203]][130[207]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 69. tel:[204][208]931.538.9300
> >>> 70. mailto:[205]][131[209]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 71. mailto:[206]][132[210]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 72. mailto:[207]][133[211]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 73. mailto:[208]][134[212]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 74. tel:[209][213](931) 538-9300
> >>> 6
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> >>> 76. mailto:[211]][136[215]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 77. mailto:[212]][137[216]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 78. mailto:[213]][138[217]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 79. mailto:[214]][139[218]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 80. mailto:[215]][140[219]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 81. [216][141][220]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 82. mailto:[217][221] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 83. mailto:[218][222] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 84. mailto:[219][223] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 85. [220][142][224]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 86. mailto:[221][225] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 87. mailto:[222][226] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 88. mailto:[223][227] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 89. [224][143][228]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 90. mailto:[225][229] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 91. mailto:[226][230] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 92. mailto:[227][231] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 93. mailto:[228]][144[232]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 94. tel:[229][233]931.538.9300
> >>> 95. [230][145][234]http://Caryn.An/
> >>> 96. mailto:[231][235] Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 97. mailto:[232][236] Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> 98. mailto:[233][237] LPedia at LP.org
> >>> 99. mailto:[234]:[146[238]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 100. mailto:[235]:[147[239]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 101. mailto:[236]:[148[240]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 102.
> >>>
>
> [237][149][241]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-sit
> e-
> >>> of-2000-libertarian-conv-[238][242]1819565649
> >>> 103. mailto:[239]:[150[243]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >>> 104. mailto:[240]:[151[244]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 105. mailto:[241]:[152[245]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 106. mailto:[242]:[153[246]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 107. mailto:[243]:[154[247]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 108. mailto:[244]:[155[248]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 109. mailto:[245]:[156[249]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 110. mailto:[246]:[157[250]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 111. mailto:[247]:[158[251]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 112. mailto:[248]:[159[252]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 113. mailto:[249]:[160[253]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 114. mailto:[250]:[161[254]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 115. mailto:[251]:[162[255]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 116. mailto:[252]:[163[256]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 117. mailto:[253]:[164[257]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 118. mailto:[254]:[165[258]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 119. mailto:[255]:[166[259]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 120. mailto:[256]:[167[260]]whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
> >>> 121. mailto:[257]:[168[261]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> 122. mailto:[258]:[169[262]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 123. mailto:[259]:[170[263]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 124. mailto:[260]:[171[264]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 125. mailto:[261][265]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 126. mailto:[262][266]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 127. mailto:[263][267]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>> 128. mailto:[264]:[172[268]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> 129. mailto:[265][269]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > *In Liberty,*
> > *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > [266][270]Caryn.Ann.
> > [267]
> >[271] Harlos at LP.org or[268][272] Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[269][273] LPedia at LP.org
> >
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > *We defend your rights*
> > *And oppose the use of force*
> > *Taxation is theft*
> >
> > Most people don't realize that Sam. And perhaps we should
> put
> out a
> > donation jar.
> > When Starchild responded and said this is *really* about some
> > obsessive
> > desire to be professional, no it isn't, but hey, if it was, I
> have
> > no
> > issue with that. I want us to be professional. Why?
> Because
> it is
> > effective. I submit that there is an obsessive need to be
> > anti-professional as well as somehow that is "f*ck
> respectability
> > politics." That is a shallow view of that. Being a
> contrarian
> for
> > the
> > sake of it when it isn't serving a purpose is just being
> > ineffective.
> > Business meetings are effective when conducted in a
> professional
> > environment. If that statement is controversial to any
> reader,
> we
> > don't live in the same world with the same colour sky.
> > Putting aside the issues I brought up earlier, this simply
> makes it
> > more expensive for LNC members who already are sacrificing a
> great
> > deal. We shouldn't be making it more prohibitive than it
> already is
> > and more disruptive to lives than necessary.
> > We are talking extra food for working lunches, money for
> ubers
> etc,
> > and
> > I guess I am supposed to buy a cooler every meeting. I guess
> I
> do
> > that
> > at 3am since I often fly in on red eyes for the cheapest
> flights.
> > And
> > that is an uber to the supermarket. And leave it behind....
> > As far as insurance, I didn't mean it for the *person* but
> for
> the
> > *party.* Homeowners insurance is not intended to cover those
> sorts
> > of
> > things, and depending on the policy, it might be excluded.
> Are
> we
> > willing to put kind-hearted party members through that? So
> for
> this
> > situations, I think the Party would have to buy a short term
> > liability
> > policy. That's probably about $150 - at least we get food
> out
> of
> > the
> > other expenditures. (though perhaps a cheap or no extra cost
> rider
> > could be added to the current policy)
> > There is also a very definite loss to business. How so?
> Having the
> > meeting at the hotel encourages everyone to stay there or at
> least
> > gather there so after the meeting it is natural for all of us
> to go
> > out
> > together and more team-building that helps business gets done
> then.
> > This travel to some off site location and then us scattered
> in
> our
> > various hotels isolates us from each other.
> > This is what I meant by penny wise and pound foolish. The
> *cost* is
> > actually higher.
> > The unintended consequences are large.
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Sam Goldstein via
> Lnc-business
> > <[1[270]][173[274]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > There is no reason to rent a space for a LNC meeting.
> Typically
> > we
> > use a hotel board room for the meeting at no little or no
> cost to
> > the party as long as we buy food (usually a lunch) and have
> a
> > certain number of hotel rooms used by participants. You
> > can always chip in for a part of the cost of the lunch to
> offset
> > that cost.
> > We are asking LNC members to travel across the country at
> their
> > own
> > expense for travel and lodging. I doubt most dues paying
> > members of the party would begrudge the expense of a meal
> every
> > 3-4
> > months for those doing the party's business.
> > Live Free,
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > [271][275]317-850-0726 Cell
> > On [272][276]2018-07-19 08:16, [273][277]john.phillips--- via
> Lnc-business
> > wrote:
> >
> > Lots of valid points, by everyone. Some that I had
> considered,
> > some
> > I
> > had not, and some poor assumptions on my part (like that
> every
> > one else
> > knew these people and just the new guy didn't).
> > Given all those very valid concerns I will have to fall
> on
> the
> > side of
> > no out of respect for those.
> > I would however be curious as to the cost of renting a
> space,
> > and
> > perhaps be willing to throw in an extra donation to help
> offset
> > that
> > cost.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [1][274][278]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 1:04 AM
> > To: Richard Longstreth;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Libertarian National Committee
> list;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors: Motion
> to
> set
> > the
> > September Meeting Location
> > Thank you for considering my points.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Richard Longstreth <[2]
> > [2[275]][174[279]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the very reasonable argument! I hadn't
> considered
> that
> > viewpoint and completely understand not supporting this for
> those
> > reasons.
> > Richard
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 22:10 Caryn Ann Harlos
> > wrote:
> >
> > And there are liability concerns.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > And to preempt Starchild's always rebuttal. "But what about
> those
> > Friday
> > night parties?" A party is a totally different context and
> is
> > OPTIONAL. I
> > go there were several members of the LNC that I know well,
> there is
> > zero
> > chance for conflict, and it is very very short term, a couple
> of
> > hours
> > at
> > most. And each time so far, it has been someone I know.
> There
> > may
> > be a
> > time where I don't go to the Friday party.
> > Oh my word, I can just see us setting up a projector in
> someone's
> > house.
> > Me dragging in a cooler of diet mountain dews and none of us
> wanting
> > to
> > snack for fear of being too messy. And if someone just wants
> to
> > leave,
> > rather than a polite excusal and out the door, one has to
> make
> a big
> > show
> > of it and get an uber. And what about executive session? We
> ban
> > guests to
> > the back yard? Stand in line for the toilet?
> > It is very very generous of the Hancock's to offer and NONE
> of
> this
> > is
> > about them. My frustration is how my concerns have gone
> ignored by
> > Starchild for years and just brushed off. My frustration is
> that
> > this
> > a
> > real safety concern for female members of our Party and it is
> > treated
> > by
> > him like nothing. He knows my frustration at this.
> > Business for most people requires a business atmosphere. I
> > understand
> > that Starchild is concerned about those uncomfortable in
> traditional
> > atmospheres. You can't please everyone. Ever. But I don't
> think
> > keeping
> > a custom of business in a business conference room is so
> outrageous,
> > particularly considering the safety concerns that ladies who
> know
> > none
> > of
> > us will have.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >
> > [3] [3[276]][175[280]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oh sorry I forgot I would be the one to start a ballot!
> > I have fought with Starchild for two years on this. It is
> highly
> > prejudicial to female members of the party, and I
> personally
> am
> > very
> > uncomfortable with a business meeting in these
> circumstances. *WE
> > ARE
> > THE THIRD LARGEST POLITICAL PARTY IN THE COUNTRY.*
> > Let's not make this look reasonable.
> >
> >
>
> [4][4][277][176][281]https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-
> as-site-
> > of-2000-libertarian-conv-[5][278][282]1819565649
> > Starchild sometimes just dismisses the concerns of others
> when he
> > doesn't understand them. I told him this so this criticism
> is no
> > surprise.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> > [6] [5[279]][177[283]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I vote no.
> > I have always been opposed to this and I will explain why.
> A
> > business
> > meeting should be something *everyone* is comfortable with.
> > Women,
> > in
> > general, are not comfortable going to a home of someone
> they
> do
> > not
> > know --
> > I am not referring to committee members. I am referring to
> > members
> > outside
> > of that. I *would never* travel elsewhere unaccompanied
> and
> my
> > husband I
> > would just be at so and so's house that he doesn't know.
> > It is very uncomfortable. And it is uncomfortable for
> business.
> > You
> > never know what can come up. And sometimes things get
> heated.
> > Where do
> > you storm off to? The back yard? I have never stormed off
> but it
> > has
> > happened.
> > Absolutely not. What if someone gets ill? There are a
> WHOLE
> lot
> > of
> > unforseens.
> > Hell even in CO we knew not to have board meetings at
> people's
> > homes
> > for these reasons.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Richard Longstreth via
> > Lnc-business <
> > [7] [6[280]][178[284]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sam, thank you for your consideration and vote prior to
> getting
> > the
> > questions answered and a ballot declared. I would ask
> that
> if
> > you
> > have
> > quesitons or concerns, please ask them so that we may get
> the
> > answers.
> > I also ask that you do not blankedtly dismiss this or any
> idea
> > prior to
> > having an opportunity to address the concerns and make a
> proper
> > determination as to whether this venue will suffice.
> > I believe many of these concerns are implicitly answered
> by
> > reading
> > the
> > email Starchild copied us on where he laid out our
> requirements.
> > I
> > have
> > also asked Mr Hancock Whitney's questions and will await
> his
> > response
> > before asking more.
> > Tim, Starchild did mention wifi in his initial inquiry and
> > because
> > Mr
> > Hancock did not explicitly state his capabilities, I will
> be
> > asking
> > this question.
> > Hotels in Arizona are fairly cheap, in general and
> provided
> you
> > aren't
> > looking for 5 star. I regularly am staying in one
> throughough the
> > Phoenix area and find the price range to be slightly
> better
> than
> > average when compared to traveling outside of the state.
> The
> > average
> > Hampton Inn is right around $100-$110 as price point. I
> typically
> > stay
> > in Choice Brands and pay an average of $60 a night. I will
> > attempt
> > to
> > find out the specific area and advise further. Remember,
> due
> to
> > temperatures, this is the tail end of our slow season.
> > The question of transport is fair, however, I note that
> many
> on
> > the
> > LNC
> > will need to transport wherever we are meeting anyway.
> Whether
> > that
> > is
> > from the airport to the hotel and we meet in the hotel or
> > something
> > else. If it could save our membership hundreds, if not
> thousands,
> > by
> > not renting out a space, I think it is worth at least a
> > consideration
> > before rejecting the idea completely and not rejecting on
> a
> free
> > offer
> > at face value. I have a car and am willing to pack it like
> > sardines
> > to
> > save you an uber or lyft, if that is your concern.
> > Richard
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:57 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business
> >
> > <[1[8]][7[281]][179[285]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [180][286]Caryn.Ann.[287] Harlos at LP.org or[288] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[289] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
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>
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430. http://Caryn.An/
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