[Lnc-business] Fwd: Judicial Committee motions
brent.olsen at lp.org
brent.olsen at lp.org
Sat Jul 21 12:07:42 EDT 2018
I agree that we should have an election. However, I do not recognize
the sitting JC as the actual legitimate JC. Otherwise I would have kept
my Yes vote on the vote to acknowledge them. There was no proper
election of one completed.
-Brent
On 2018-07-21 01:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> The members can reject them.
> My solution solves it all.
> A mail ballot of some sorts.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:02 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> This strange posturing by the former Judicial Committee really
> makes it
> problematic for us to implement the Not-A-Judicial-Committee
> Committee,
> which would be rules compliant.
> -Alicia
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:56 PM, Alicia Mattson
> <[1][2]alicia.mattson at lp.org> wrote:
> There are several serious problems with the logic of this
> communication
> from Mr. Moulton.
> I see no ambiguity in Bylaw Article 8.1, which provides that,
> "The
> Judicial Committee shall take office immediately upon the close
> of the
> Regular Non-Presidential Convention at which elected and shall
> serve
> until the final adjournment of the next Regular
> Non-Presidential
> Convention."
> I see no reasonable argument to be made that the 2016-2018
> Judicial
> Committee members held any position from which they could
> (after
> convention adjournment on July 3) conduct email votes, fill
> vacancies,
> or resign from positions they no longer held.
> A motion they purported to pass to fill vacancies was
> contingent
> on 6
> people resigning. But 6 people didn't resign, because Gary
> Johnson
> understood he had no position from which to resign, so the
> fill-the-vacancy motion has no effect because the condition
> wasn't
> met. So all 7 are still on the JC? Then 5 people purported to
> resign.
> With the prior motion failing to meet its condition for
> effectiveness,
> the vacancies aren't filled. Now Gary Johnson and Chuck
> Moulton
> are
> the remaining JC members?
> So now will Chuck Moulton conduct an email ballot in which only
> he
> votes, and Gary Johnson refuses to participate, and will Chuck
> Moulton
> fill 6 vacancies or 5? He can't fill Gary Johnson's spot. By
> Moulton's premise, there is no vacancy to fill, because Johnson
> hasn't
> resigned. He can't apply Gary Johnson's premise to Johnson
> only
> and
> say he's no longer on the JC because his term ended at
> adjournment, but
> Moulton is somehow still on. The rules aren't different for
> Johnson
> versus the rest of the former JC members. So how does Moulton
> come up
> with a new JC that doesn't include Johnson?
> Clearly I cannot choose the glass in front of you, and clearly
> I
> cannot
> choose the glass in front of me. Wait, what's that?!
> (pointing,
> switches glasses, but they're both poisoned)
> Would the JC candidates who stood in front of the delegates on
> July 3
> and pledged to apply the rules as written like to now explain
> how
> any
> of this is an example of applying the rules as written? And
> how
> any
> future rulings from them will apply the rules in an equally
> rational
> manner?
> -Alicia in Wonderland
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:21 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business
> <[2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Please see the below communication from Chuck Moulton.
> Which brings to mind another way to handle. Since the
> maybe
> JC
> did
> this outside of our direction - if we refer ratification
> of
> this
> to the
> delegates my mail - majority vote- we have as legitimate
> of
> JC
> that we
> are going to get.
> -Caryn Ann
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Chuck Moulton <[1][3][4]chuck at moulton.org>
> Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:41 AM
> Subject: Judicial Committee motions
> To: Nick Sarwark <[2][4][5]chair at lp.org>, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[3][5][6]secretary at lp.org>
> CC: D Frank Robinson <[4][6][7]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com>,
> Chuck
> Moulton
> <[5][7][8]chuck at moulton.org>, Darryl Perry
> <[6][8][9]Darryl at darrylwperry.com>, Ruth
> Bennett <[7][9][10]bennettruthaz at gmail.com>, Geoff Neale
> <[8][10][11]liber8or at austin.rr.com>, Jim Turney
> <[9][11][12]LP at jimturney.com>, Tricia
> Sprankle <[10][12][13]tricia at spranklelaw.com>, Alicia
> Dearn
> <[11][13][14]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com>, William Hall
> <[12][14][15]WHall at wnj.com>,
> John Buttrick <[13][15][16]jabuttrick at gmail.com>, Rob
> Latham
> <[14][16][17]freeutahns at gmail.com>, Michael Badnarik
> <[15][17][18]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org>, Gary
> Johnson
> <[16][18][19]sedition at aol.com>
> Chuck Moulton wrote (7/6/2018 at 4:31 pm):
> > Because no one received a majority vote with approval
> voting,
> there
> is a
> > controversy as to whether the Judicial Committee was
> properly
> elected.
> >
> > Without getting into details of the relative merits of
> each
> > interpretation, I believe this is an exhaustive list:
> >
> > 1. The convention elected all 7 JC members by plurality
> (the
> motion
> to
> > suspend the rules for at-large applies to JC because our
> rules
> say
> the
> > JC uses the same method of election as at-large).
> >
> > 2. The convention elected 5 JC members by plurality (the
> motion
> > referenced above explicitly said the top 5 would be
> elected by
> plurality)
> >
> > 3. The JC from the previous term continues serving
> another
> 2 or
> 4
> years
> > (no one received a majority)
> >
> > 4. The LNC can appoint the JC (the LNC can fill at-large
> vacancies,
> and
> > our rules say the JC is elected by the same method as
> at-large)
> >
> > 5. We have no JC (no one received a majority and our
> bylaws say
> the
> JC
> > serves until the final adjournment of the next
> convention
> rather than
> > when the next JC is elected)
> >
> > I can't do anything about interpretation #5.
> >
> > I am trying my best to at least make the interpretations
> in #1,
> #2,
> #3,
> > and #4 be the same people so those with different
> interpretations
> don't
> > think we have 4 different JCs. I believe this will add
> to
> the
> > legitimacy of the JC.
> Mr. Chair and Ms. Secretary,
> Please relay the following information to the Libertarian
> National
> Committee. I write both on behalf of the 2016-2018
> Judicial
> Committee
> and on behalf of the 2018-2020 Judicial Committee.
> First (to harmonize #3 with #1), the Judicial Committee
> from
> the
> 2016-2018 term (which consisted of Michael Badnarik, John
> Buttrick,
> Alicia Dearn, Bill Hall, Gary E. Johnson, Rob Latham, and
> Chuck
> Moulton
> with Chuck Moulton serving as chair) passed the following
> motion
> by
> email ballot with a vote of 6-0-1:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> I move that the following people be appointed to the
> Judicial
> Committee
> to fill the 6 vacancies created upon the resignations of 6
> members of
> the Judicial Committee:
> * D. Frank Robinson
> * Darryl Perry
> * Ruth Bennett
> * Geoff Neale
> * Jim Turney
> * Tricia Sprankle
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> The following members of the old JC submitted letters of
> resignation
> contingent on the motion passing:
> * Alicia Dearn
> * John Buttrick
> * Bill Hall
> * Rob Latham
> * Michael Badnarik
> Gary E. Johnson did not respond to emails, participate in
> the
> vote, or
> submit a letter of resignation. By phone he told me that
> he
> is
> not on
> the Judicial Committee. He also believes we have no JC
> this
> term.
> Second (to harmonize #2 with #1), the Judicial Committee
> which
> was
> arguably elected by plurality for the 2016-2018 term under
> the
> interpretation that the top 5 (but not the top 7) were
> elected
> (which
> consisted of D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton, Darryl
> Perry,
> Ruth
> Bennett, and Geoff Neale with Chuck Moulton serving as
> interim
> chair)
> passed the following motion by email ballot with a vote of
> 5-0-0:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> I move that the following people be appointed to the
> Judicial
> Committee
> to fill the 2 vacancies left on Judicial Committee (if
> such
> vacancies
> exist):
> * Jim Turney
> * Tricia Sprankle
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> At this point we 7 (D. Frank Robinson, Chuck Moulton,
> Darryl
> Perry,
> Ruth
> Bennett, Geoff Neale, Jim Turney, and Tricia Sprankle)
> plan
> to
> elect a
> committee chair and consider rules of appellate procedure
> to
> submit to
> the Libertarian National Committee by the 90 day deadline
> in
> bylaw 8.3.
> We realize that the JC election may still be a mess, but
> any
> further
> resolution is out of our hands. Therefore, we will
> proceed
> as if
> we
> were legitimately elected in order to meet bylaws
> deadlines.
> Chuck Moulton
> Interim Chair, 2018-2020 LP Judicial Committee
> Chair, 2016-2018 LP Judicial Committee
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[19][20]chuck at moulton.org
> 2. mailto:[20][21]chair at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[21][22]secretary at lp.org
> 4. mailto:[22][23]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 5. mailto:[23][24]chuck at moulton.org
> 6. mailto:[24][25]Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 7. mailto:[25][26]bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 8. mailto:[26][27]liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 9. mailto:[27][28]LP at jimturney.com
> 10. mailto:[28][29]tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 11. mailto:[29][30]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 12. mailto:[30][31]WHall at wnj.com
> 13. mailto:[31][32]jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 14. mailto:[32][33]freeutahns at gmail.com
> 15. mailto:[33][34]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 16. mailto:[34][35]sedition at aol.com
> 17. mailto:[35]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. mailto:[36]alicia.mattson at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[37]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[38]chuck at moulton.org
> 4. mailto:[39]chair at lp.org
> 5. mailto:[40]secretary at lp.org
> 6. mailto:[41]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 7. mailto:[42]chuck at moulton.org
> 8. mailto:[43]Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 9. mailto:[44]bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 10. mailto:[45]liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 11. mailto:[46]LP at jimturney.com
> 12. mailto:[47]tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 13. mailto:[48]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 14. mailto:[49]WHall at wnj.com
> 15. mailto:[50]jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 16. mailto:[51]freeutahns at gmail.com
> 17. mailto:[52]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 18. mailto:[53]sedition at aol.com
> 19. mailto:[54]chuck at moulton.org
> 20. mailto:[55]chair at lp.org
> 21. mailto:[56]secretary at lp.org
> 22. mailto:[57]dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 23. mailto:[58]chuck at moulton.org
> 24. mailto:[59]Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 25. mailto:[60]bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 26. mailto:[61]liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 27. mailto:[62]LP at jimturney.com
> 28. mailto:[63]tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 29. mailto:[64]aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 30. mailto:[65]WHall at wnj.com
> 31. mailto:[66]jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 32. mailto:[67]freeutahns at gmail.com
> 33. mailto:[68]scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 34. mailto:[69]sedition at aol.com
> 35. mailto:[70]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [71]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 5. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 6. mailto:secretary at lp.org
> 7. mailto:dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 8. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 9. mailto:Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 10. mailto:bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 11. mailto:liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 12. mailto:LP at jimturney.com
> 13. mailto:tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 14. mailto:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 15. mailto:WHall at wnj.com
> 16. mailto:jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 17. mailto:freeutahns at gmail.com
> 18. mailto:scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 19. mailto:sedition at aol.com
> 20. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 21. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 22. mailto:secretary at lp.org
> 23. mailto:dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 24. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 25. mailto:Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 26. mailto:bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 27. mailto:liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 28. mailto:LP at jimturney.com
> 29. mailto:tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 30. mailto:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 31. mailto:WHall at wnj.com
> 32. mailto:jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 33. mailto:freeutahns at gmail.com
> 34. mailto:scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 35. mailto:sedition at aol.com
> 36. mailto:alicia.mattson at lp.org
> 37. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 38. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 39. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 40. mailto:secretary at lp.org
> 41. mailto:dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 42. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 43. mailto:Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 44. mailto:bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 45. mailto:liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 46. mailto:LP at jimturney.com
> 47. mailto:tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 48. mailto:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 49. mailto:WHall at wnj.com
> 50. mailto:jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 51. mailto:freeutahns at gmail.com
> 52. mailto:scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 53. mailto:sedition at aol.com
> 54. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 55. mailto:chair at lp.org
> 56. mailto:secretary at lp.org
> 57. mailto:dfrank_robinson at yahoo.com
> 58. mailto:chuck at moulton.org
> 59. mailto:Darryl at darrylwperry.com
> 60. mailto:bennettruthaz at gmail.com
> 61. mailto:liber8or at austin.rr.com
> 62. mailto:LP at jimturney.com
> 63. mailto:tricia at spranklelaw.com
> 64. mailto:aliciadearn at bellatrixlaw.com
> 65. mailto:WHall at wnj.com
> 66. mailto:jabuttrick at gmail.com
> 67. mailto:freeutahns at gmail.com
> 68. mailto:scholar at constitutionpreservation.org
> 69. mailto:sedition at aol.com
> 70. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 71. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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