[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-17 - SET EMAIL BALLOT ENDING TIME
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sun Jul 22 19:34:27 EDT 2018
Amen to all that.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:18 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman <
joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
> Thank you to those who are voting yes on this proposal. To those who
> aren't yet, I hope I can convince you to do so.
>
> As Bylaws chair, on two occasions we had a series of votes, where one vote
> had to conclude before proceeding to another vote or activity. I diligently
> stayed up very, very late to close one vote and start the next one, making
> me very tired for work next day. I will stay up late for Party or work when
> I have to, but this proposal will reduce the times when we unnecessarily
> *have* to.
>
> As a mere Party member, on several occasions I was curious how the LNC
> would end up on a close vote. That meant staying up very late or waiting to
> find out the next day. I honestly found it odd that important decisions
> were concluded in the middle of the night, which sent a signal to me about
> priorities and transparency. On one occasion I spoke to and messaged
> various LNC members in an effort to change votes, and bugging people
> nearing midnight was not my favorite activity. Getting lobbied near
> midnight will not be my favorite activity either, which is why I propose
> changing it.
>
> I've been on two other boards using RONR plus email voting. One used 24
> hour votes, with an end time of 5pm the next day. (We were all in the same
> time zone, which made it easier.) On the other we ended ballots at 12 noon
> ET after three days.
>
> Mr. Goldstein urged votes to be concluded faster, as seven days is more
> the floor than the ceiling. With one member generally not voting and one
> seat vacant, it's been impossible to close votes before the full time
> elapsed. There's also obviously an advantage to voting last, and I'd note
> this proposal doesn't change that - everyone has time after COB to cast
> votes. (If anything it helps ensure anyone can change their vote before
> going to bed if they want, or act if other people change their votes.) For
> those that like voting at night when they have time to review proposals,
> this proposal doesnt change that; there will remain six such overnight
> opportunities to do so. It does mean our votes can be announced when people
> are awake, both those on the LNC and those watching.
>
> I'd also note I opted for 6pm PT / 9pm ET in this proposal as I thought
> that was a fair end date for people (like me) who aren't able to conduct
> LNC business during working hours, while still making sure we're not making
> important decisions in the middle of the night.
>
> I thank you for your consideration and if you'd like to talk off list
> about this proposal, I'm happy to do so.
>
> JBH
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2018 5:54 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> This ballot will expire on 7/23/18. I have noted the following (please
> inform me of any corrections): Voting AYE: Bishop-Henchman, Harlos, Olsen,
> Longstreth, Lyons, Merced, Phillips Voting NAY: Bilyeu, Lark, Mattson,
> Lee,
> Van Horn Express Abstentions: Goldstein Not Voting: Hagan, Redpath,
> Sarwark, Smith For a current tally of 7-5-1
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM, James Lark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear colleagues:
> > I hope all is well with you. I am writing in my capacity as
> Region
> > 5 representative to vote "nay" on the motion.
> > As always, thanks for your work for liberty.
> > Take care,
> > Jim
> > James W. Lark, III
> > Professor, Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
> > Professor, Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering and
> > Society
> > Affiliated Faculty, Department of Statistics
> > University of Virginia
> > Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
> > University of Virginia
> > Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> > -----
> >
> > On 7/17/2018 1:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >
> > We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
> > list by July 23, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
> > Bishop-Henchman, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced Motion: Move to amend
> > Section 1.04 of the Policy Manual to add the following sentence:
> > Electronic ballots shall end at 6:00 PM Pacific time / 9:00 PM
> Eastern
> > time on the date they conclude. You can keep track of the Secretary's
> > manual tally of votes here: [1][1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> > [2]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org or [3]Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [4]LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 2. [6]mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 2. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
> > 3. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
> > 4. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
> > 5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> This ballot will expire on 7/23/18. I have noted the following (please
> inform me of any corrections): Voting AYE: Bishop-Henchman, Harlos,
> Olsen, Longstreth, Lyons, Merced, Phillips Voting NAY: Bilyeu, Lark,
> Mattson, Lee, Van Horn Express Abstentions: Goldstein Not Voting:
> Hagan, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith For a current tally of 7-5-1
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM, James Lark via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Dear colleagues:
> I hope all is well with you. I am writing in my capacity as
> Region
> 5 representative to vote "nay" on the motion.
> As always, thanks for your work for liberty.
> Take care,
> Jim
> James W. Lark, III
> Professor, Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
> Professor, Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering
> and
> Society
> Affiliated Faculty, Department of Statistics
> University of Virginia
> Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
> University of Virginia
> Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> -----
> On 7/17/2018 1:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
> LNC-Business
> list by July 23, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
> Bishop-Henchman, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced Motion: Move to amend
> Section 1.04 of the Policy Manual to add the following sentence:
> Electronic ballots shall end at 6:00 PM Pacific time / 9:00 PM
> Eastern
> time on the date they conclude. You can keep track of the
> Secretary's
> manual tally of votes here: [1][1][2]https://tinyurl.com/
> lncvoting
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org or [3]Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [4]LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. [5][3]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. [6]mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[6]Harlos at LP.org
> 3. mailto:[7]Secretary at LP.org
> 4. mailto:[8]LPedia at LP.org
> 5. [9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 3. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
> 8. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 10. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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Amen to all that.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:18 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman
<[1]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
Thank you to those who are voting yes on this proposal. To those who
aren't yet, I hope I can convince you to do so.
As Bylaws chair, on two occasions we had a series of votes, where one
vote had to conclude before proceeding to another vote or activity. I
diligently stayed up very, very late to close one vote and start the
next one, making me very tired for work next day. I will stay up late
for Party or work when I have to, but this proposal will reduce the
times when we unnecessarily *have* to.
As a mere Party member, on several occasions I was curious how the LNC
would end up on a close vote. That meant staying up very late or
waiting to find out the next day. I honestly found it odd that
important decisions were concluded in the middle of the night, which
sent a signal to me about priorities and transparency. On one occasion
I spoke to and messaged various LNC members in an effort to change
votes, and bugging people nearing midnight was not my favorite
activity. Getting lobbied near midnight will not be my favorite
activity either, which is why I propose changing it.
I've been on two other boards using RONR plus email voting. One used 24
hour votes, with an end time of 5pm the next day. (We were all in the
same time zone, which made it easier.) On the other we ended ballots at
12 noon ET after three days.
Mr. Goldstein urged votes to be concluded faster, as seven days is more
the floor than the ceiling. With one member generally not voting and
one seat vacant, it's been impossible to close votes before the full
time elapsed. There's also obviously an advantage to voting last, and
I'd note this proposal doesn't change that - everyone has time after
COB to cast votes. (If anything it helps ensure anyone can change their
vote before going to bed if they want, or act if other people change
their votes.) For those that like voting at night when they have time
to review proposals, this proposal doesnt change that; there will
remain six such overnight opportunities to do so. It does mean our
votes can be announced when people are awake, both those on the LNC and
those watching.
I'd also note I opted for 6pm PT / 9pm ET in this proposal as I thought
that was a fair end date for people (like me) who aren't able to
conduct LNC business during working hours, while still making sure
we're not making important decisions in the middle of the night.
I thank you for your consideration and if you'd like to talk off list
about this proposal, I'm happy to do so.
JBH
On Jul 22, 2018 5:54 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
This ballot will expire on 7/23/18. I have noted the following (please
inform me of any corrections): Voting AYE: Bishop-Henchman, Harlos,
Olsen,
Longstreth, Lyons, Merced, Phillips Voting NAY: Bilyeu, Lark, Mattson,
Lee,
Van Horn Express Abstentions: Goldstein Not Voting: Hagan, Redpath,
Sarwark, Smith For a current tally of 7-5-1
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM, James Lark via Lnc-business <
[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Dear colleagues:
> I hope all is well with you. I am writing in my capacity as
Region
> 5 representative to vote "nay" on the motion.
> As always, thanks for your work for liberty.
> Take care,
> Jim
> James W. Lark, III
> Professor, Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
> Professor, Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of Engineering
and
> Society
> Affiliated Faculty, Department of Statistics
> University of Virginia
> Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
> University of Virginia
> Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> -----
>
> On 7/17/2018 1:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
LNC-Business
> list by July 23, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
> Bishop-Henchman, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced Motion: Move to amend
> Section 1.04 of the Policy Manual to add the following sentence:
> Electronic ballots shall end at 6:00 PM Pacific time / 9:00 PM
Eastern
> time on the date they conclude. You can keep track of the
Secretary's
> manual tally of votes here: [1][1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org or [3]Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - [4]LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. [5][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. [6]mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. [7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[8]Harlos at LP.org
> 3. mailto:[9]Secretary at LP.org
> 4. mailto:[10]LPedia at LP.org
> 5. [11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
This ballot will expire on 7/23/18. I have noted the following
(please
inform me of any corrections): Voting AYE: Bishop-Henchman,
Harlos,
Olsen, Longstreth, Lyons, Merced, Phillips Voting NAY: Bilyeu,
Lark,
Mattson, Lee, Van Horn Express Abstentions: Goldstein Not Voting:
Hagan, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith For a current tally of 7-5-1
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM, James Lark via Lnc-business
<[1][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear colleagues:
I hope all is well with you. I am writing in my capacity
as
Region
5 representative to vote "nay" on the motion.
As always, thanks for your work for liberty.
Take care,
Jim
James W. Lark, III
Professor, Dept. of Systems and Information Engineering
Professor, Applied Mathematics Program, Dept. of
Engineering
and
Society
Affiliated Faculty, Department of Statistics
University of Virginia
Advisor, The Liberty Coalition
University of Virginia
Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
-----
On 7/17/2018 1:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
LNC-Business
list by July 23, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
Bishop-Henchman, Harlos, Longstreth, Merced Motion: Move to
amend
Section 1.04 of the Policy Manual to add the following
sentence:
Electronic ballots shall end at 6:00 PM Pacific time / 9:00 PM
Eastern
time on the date they conclude. You can keep track of the
Secretary's
manual tally of votes here:
[1][1][2][14]https://tinyurl.com/
lncvoting
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary -
[2]Caryn.Ann. [2]Harlos at LP.org or [3]Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
[4]LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. [5][3][15]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
2. [6]mailto:[4]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. [5][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
2. mailto:[6]Harlos at LP.org
3. mailto:[7]Secretary at LP.org
4. mailto:[8]LPedia at LP.org
5. [9][17]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:[10]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[18]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. [19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
3. [20]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
4. mailto:[21]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
5. [22]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:[23]Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:[24]Secretary at LP.org
8. mailto:[25]LPedia at LP.org
9. [26]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
10. mailto:[27]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
11. mailto:[28]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [29]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
9. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
10. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. https://tinyurl.com/
15. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
17. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
18. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
20. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
21. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
22. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
23. mailto:Harlos at LP.org
24. mailto:Secretary at LP.org
25. mailto:LPedia at LP.org
26. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
27. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
28. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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