[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

[Craig Bowden]

One of the reasons I support this, is that it most closely echoed what I 
said about a temporary appellate committee until we can confirm an 
official JC at a Convention. It is the least horrible of the options 
present. I will also add that we must make sure that we also address the 
need for election reform in our party so that we never again find 
ourselves in such a position.

Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate

On 2018-07-25 18:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business 
wrote:
> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
> bound to follow.
> 
> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
> operate.
> 
> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
> 
> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
> 
> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
> the time being.
> 
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business 
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
>> it appellate rules.
>> 
>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>> 
>> -Caryn Ann
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein 
>>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>> 
>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect 
>>> the
>>> Judicial Committee
>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by 
>>> margins of at
>>> least 60% of the
>>>   delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of 
>>> requiring
>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how 
>>> this
>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>>   would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up 
>>> its'
>>> own rules that this motion would
>>>   have the LNC be bound to follow
>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the 
>>> motion to
>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>>   in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>> 
>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the 
>>> pretend
>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes
>>>> 
>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the 
>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>   list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>   Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>> National
>>>>>   Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>   vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as 
>>>>> if
>>>>>   they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>   follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>   acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member 
>>>>> or
>>>>>   affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of 
>>>>> votes
>>>>>   here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>   --
>>>>>   In Liberty,
>>>>>   Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>   [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>   We defend your rights
>>>>>   And oppose the use of force
>>>>>   Taxation is theft
>>>>> 
>>>>> References
>>>>> 
>>>>>   1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>   2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> 
>> 
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft