[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Wed Jul 25 21:06:54 EDT 2018
Agreed
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Craig Bowden via Lnc-business Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 7:47 PMTo: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Cc: Craig Bowden;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
One of the reasons I support this, is that it most closely echoed what I
said about a temporary appellate committee until we can confirm an
official JC at a Convention. It is the least horrible of the options
present. I will also add that we must make sure that we also address the
need for election reform in our party so that we never again find
ourselves in such a position.
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On 2018-07-25 18:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business
wrote:
> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
> bound to follow.
>
> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
> operate.
>
> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>
> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>
> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
> the time being.
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members. And
>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>> would hope would not be re-elected. This "JC" has already submitted
>> it appellate rules.
>>
>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>> wrote:
>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>
>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect
>>> the
>>> Judicial Committee
>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by
>>> margins of at
>>> least 60% of the
>>> delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>> requiring
>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>> this
>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>> would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up
>>> its'
>>> own rules that this motion would
>>> have the LNC be bound to follow
>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the
>>> motion to
>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>> in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>
>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion. The entire
>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>> that is not beholden to the LNC. There is no guarantee that if the
>>> pretend
>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>> National
>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as
>>>>> if
>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member
>>>>> or
>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>> votes
>>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
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Agreed
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Craig Bowden via Lnc-business
Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 7:47 PM
To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Craig Bowden;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
DECISIONS
One of the reasons I support this, is that it most closely echoed what I
said about a temporary appellate committee until we can confirm an
official JC at a Convention. It is the least horrible of the options
present. I will also add that we must make sure that we also address the
need for election reform in our party so that we never again find
ourselves in such a position.
Craig Bowden
Region 1 Alternate
On [3]2018-07-25 18:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business
wrote:
> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
> bound to follow.
>
> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
> operate.
>
> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
>
> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
>
> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
> the time being.
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members. And
>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
>> would hope would not be re-elected. This "JC" has already submitted
>> it appellate rules.
>>
>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein
>>> wrote:
>>> I vote No on this motion.
>>>
>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect
>>> the
>>> Judicial Committee
>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by
>>> margins of at
>>> least 60% of the
>>> delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
>>> requiring
>>> a majority approval of delegates
>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
>>> this
>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
>>> would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up
>>> its'
>>> own rules that this motion would
>>> have the LNC be bound to follow
>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the
>>> motion to
>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>>> in favor of but have reconsidered)
>>>
>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion. The entire
>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
>>> that is not beholden to the LNC. There is no guarantee that if the
>>> pretend
>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [4]317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>> On [5]2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> Craig Bowden
>>>> Region 1 Alternate
>>>>
>>>>> On [6]2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>> National
>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as
>>>>> if
>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member
>>>>> or
>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>> votes
>>>>> here: [1][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> [2][8]Caryn.Ann.[9] Harlos at LP.org or[10] Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[11] LPedia at LP.org
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. [12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>> 2. mailto[13]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> [14]Caryn.Ann.[15] Harlos at LP.org or[16] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[17] LPedia at LP.org
>>
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. tel:2018-07-25 18
4. tel:317-850-0726
5. tel:2018-07-25 13
6. tel:2018-07-25 06
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. http://Caryn.An/
9. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
10. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
11. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
13. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
14. http://Caryn.An/
15. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
17. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
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