[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

[Jeff Lyons]

I also vote no.

[as R8 Alternate but also only Region 8 Rep at the moment.  Justin 
ODonnell, who is likely to win the R8 election which closes on July 
30th, may choose to vote and change Region 8's position.]

I support Sam's reasoning, and I also believe that any election that is 
procedurally altered after ballots are already cast are no election at 
all.  We need to come up with a better process for this and stick to it 
next convention.  Until such a process is established and supremely 
adhered to, there is a guarantee that elections will be given the 
respect they deserve, not being altered by  Robert's "rules suspensions" 
or anything else for the sake of expediency and getting home on time, I 
will vote no on every motion relating to those elections.

Follow the book, don't suspend the rules, do the job right the first 
time.  Elections are the most important thing we do at Convention.


-- 
In Liberty,
Jeff Lyons

Region 8 Alternate
(Acting Region 8 Rep)

Libertarian Assoc. of MA
Membership Director
http://www.lpmass.org/join

Daniel Fishman for Auditor
Campaign Manager
http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com


On 2018-07-25 14:05, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> I vote No on this motion.
> 
> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect
> the Judicial Committee
> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
> of at least 60% of the
>    delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
> requiring a majority approval of delegates
> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
> this pretend JC would function, whether it
>    would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up
> its' own rules that this motion would
>    have the LNC be bound to follow
> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the
> motion to recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
>    in favor of but have reconsidered)
> 
> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
> pretend JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
> 
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
> 
> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Yes
>> 
>> Craig Bowden
>> Region 1 Alternate
>> 
>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
>>>    list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: 
>>> Harlos,
>>>    Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian 
>>> National
>>>    Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>    vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as 
>>> if
>>>    they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>    follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>    acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
>>>    affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of 
>>> votes
>>>    here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>    --
>>>    In Liberty,
>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>    We defend your rights
>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>    Taxation is theft
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>    1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org