[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

William Redpath william.redpath at lp.org
Wed Aug 1 07:56:49 EDT 2018 

Yes

On 2018-07-31 17:38, Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business wrote:

> Yes 
> 
> Susan Jane Hogarth 
> 
> Region 5 Alternate 
> 
> 919-906-2106 [1] 
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2018 at 7:58 AM, <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business> wrote:
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>> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
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>> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
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>> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>> 
>> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
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>> Express Abstentions: None
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>> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
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>> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
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>> For a current tally of 6-2.
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>> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
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>> Olsen's vote stands.
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>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
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>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
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>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
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>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
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>>>> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we'd be
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>>>> bound to follow.
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>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
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>>>> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
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>>>> operate.
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>>>> 
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>>>> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
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>>>> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
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>>>> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
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>>>> 
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>>>> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
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>>>> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we'd be
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>>>> mandatorily bound had they'd successfully been elected.
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>>>> 
>> 
>>>> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I've seen. It isn't the
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>>>> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
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>>>> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
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>>>> the time being.
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>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Alex Merced
>> 
>>>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
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>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
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>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
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>>>>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
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>>>>> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
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>>>>> it appellate rules.
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
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>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
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>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
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>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> I vote No on this motion.
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
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>>>>>> Judicial Committee
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>>>>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
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>>>>>> of at
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>>>>>> least 60% of the
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>>>>>> delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
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>>>>>> requiring
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>>>>>> a majority approval of delegates
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>>>>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
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>>>>>> this
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>>>>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
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>>>>>> would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
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>>>>>> own rules that this motion would
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>>>>>> have the LNC be bound to follow
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>>>>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
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>>>>>> to
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>>>>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
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>>>>>> in favor of but have reconsidered)
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>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
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>>>>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
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>>>>>> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
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>>>>>> pretend
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>>>>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
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>>>>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
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>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>> 
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
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>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> Yes
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>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Craig Bowden
>> 
>>>>>>> Region 1 Alternate
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>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
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>>>>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
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>>>>>>>> Harlos,
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>>>>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
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>>>>>>>> National
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>>>>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
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>>>>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
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>>>>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
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>>>>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
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>>>>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
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>>>>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
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>>>>>>>> votes
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>>>>>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>>>>>>>> --
>> 
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> 
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> 
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
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>>>>>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
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>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
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>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
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>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
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>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
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>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> References
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
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>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> --
>> 
>>>>> In Liberty,
>> 
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> 
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> 
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> 
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> 
>>>>> We defend your rights
>> 
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>> 
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>>> --
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>>> In Liberty,
>> 
>>> Jeff Lyons
>> 
>>> 
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>>> Region 8 Alternate
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>>> (Acting Region 8 Rep)
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>>> 
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>>> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
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>>> Membership Director
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>>> http://www.lpmass.org/join
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>>> 
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>>> Daniel Fishman for Auditor
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>>> Campaign Manager
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>>> http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
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>>> 
>> 
>> --  
>> 
>> --  
>> 
>> In Liberty,
>> 
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> 
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> 
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> 
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> 
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> 
>> We defend your rights
>> 
>> And oppose the use of force
>> 
>> Taxation is theft
 

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