[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
Susan Hogarth
susan.hogarth at lp.org
Tue Jul 31 17:38:21 EDT 2018
Yes
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
>
> On Jul 31, 2018 at 7:58 AM, <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)> wrote:
>
>
>
> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
>
> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
>
> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
>
> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
>
> Express Abstentions: None
>
> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
>
> For a current tally of 6-2.
>
> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
> Olsen's vote stands.
>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>
> >> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
> >> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we’d be
> >> bound to follow.
> >>
> >> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
> >> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
> >> operate.
> >>
> >> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
> >> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
> >> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
> >>
> >> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
> >> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we’d be
> >> mandatorily bound had they’d successfully been elected.
> >>
> >> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I’ve seen. It isn’t the
> >> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
> >> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
> >> the time being.
> >>
> >> Alex Merced
> >> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members. And
> >>> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
> >>> would hope would not be re-elected. This "JC" has already submitted
> >>> it appellate rules.
> >>>
> >>> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
> >>>
> >>> -Caryn Ann
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> I vote No on this motion.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
> >>>> Judicial Committee
> >>>> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
> >>>> of at
> >>>> least 60% of the
> >>>> delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
> >>>> requiring
> >>>> a majority approval of delegates
> >>>> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
> >>>> this
> >>>> pretend JC would function, whether it
> >>>> would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
> >>>> own rules that this motion would
> >>>> have the LNC be bound to follow
> >>>> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
> >>>> to
> >>>> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
> >>>> in favor of but have reconsidered)
> >>>>
> >>>> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion. The entire
> >>>> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
> >>>> that is not beholden to the LNC. There is no guarantee that if the
> >>>> pretend
> >>>> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
> >>>> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Sam Goldstein
> >>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Craig Bowden
> >>>>> Region 1 Alternate
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
> >>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
> >>>>>> Harlos,
> >>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
> >>>>>> National
> >>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
> >>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
> >>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
> >>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
> >>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
> >>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
> >>>>>> votes
> >>>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>>>>> We defend your rights
> >>>>>> And oppose the use of force
> >>>>>> Taxation is theft
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> References
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> >>>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> >>> We defend your rights
> >>> And oppose the use of force
> >>> Taxation is theft
> >
> >
> >
> > I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Jeff Lyons
> >
> > Region 8 Alternate
> > (Acting Region 8 Rep)
> >
> > Libertarian Assoc. of MA
> > Membership Director
> > http://www.lpmass.org/join
> >
> > Daniel Fishman for Auditor
> > Campaign Manager
> > http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
>
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