[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Tue Jul 31 14:34:43 EDT 2018

No

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Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell 

On 2018-07-31 13:58, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:

> ---So it just takes a majority of those voting to pass this motion which is well less than 50% of the LNC at this time.   I think that would be a horrible precedent to set, especially for such an important subject.--- 
> 
> Does an express abstention factor in to the vote total/ratio? 
> 
> Whitney 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> So it just takes a majority of those voting to pass this motion which is well less than 50% of the LNC at this time.   I think that would be a horrible precedent to set, especially for such an important subject.
> 
> This is a very bad idea and should have been open to a debate at our next meeting.  There is nothing urgent confronting the LNC at this point that would require a pretend JC with no actual Bylaws authority or enforcement ability.
> 
> Please vote No and let's talk about the situation next month.
> 
> Live Free,
> 
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
> 
> On 2018-07-31 10:02, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote:
> I vote yes.
> 
> In practice this is very similar to the idea of an Appeals Committee.
> Seems to be the best solution to the situation that the convention
> delegates created.
> 
> ---
> Tim Hagan
> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> 
> On 2018-07-31 04:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.
> 
> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):
> 
> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips
> 
> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons
> 
> Express Abstentions: None
> 
> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,
> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna
> 
> For a current tally of 6-2.
> 
> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate
> Olsen's vote stands.
> 
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
> 
> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the
> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we'd be
> bound to follow.
> 
> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the
> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would
> operate.
> 
> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best
> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the
> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.
> 
> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold
> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we'd be
> mandatorily bound had they'd successfully been elected.
> 
> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I've seen. It isn't the
> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its
> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for
> the time being.
> 
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> 
> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members.  And
> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I
> would hope would not be re-elected.  This "JC" has already submitted
> it appellate rules.
> 
> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.
> 
> -Caryn Ann
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
> I vote No on this motion.
> 
> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the
> Judicial Committee
> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins
> of at
> least 60% of the
> delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of
> requiring
> a majority approval of delegates
> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how
> this
> pretend JC would function, whether it
> would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'
> own rules that this motion would
> have the LNC be bound to follow
> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion
> to
> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted
> in favor of but have reconsidered)
> 
> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion.  The entire
> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body
> that is not beholden to the LNC.  There is no guarantee that if the
> pretend
> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that
> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.
> 
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
> 
> On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:
> 
> Yes
> 
> Craig Bowden
> Region 1 Alternate
> 
> On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> 
> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business
> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
> Harlos,
> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
> National
> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if
> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
> votes
> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting [1]
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft 

I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens
again.

--
In Liberty,
Jeff Lyons

Region 8 Alternate
(Acting Region 8 Rep)

Libertarian Assoc. of MA
Membership Director
http://www.lpmass.org/join

Daniel Fishman for Auditor
Campaign Manager
http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com [2]

--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft 

  -- 

_Whitney Bilyeu_ 
Libertarian National Committee 
Region 7 Representative 
281.433.4966 

Links:
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[1] https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
[2] http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com
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