[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

[Jeff Lyons]

If the By-Laws were set aside when electing them, why would the by-laws 
matter once they are "voluntarily acknowledged"?  I suppose if the LNC 
really doesn't have any power over the JC, then I guess they could just 
convene themselves if there were an actual issue.  Who are we to stop 
them?   But if you bend the rules once, why can't you do it all the 
time?

In the meantime, I don't believe bending the rules again to put a 
band-aid on it is an acceptable option.  I appreciate how unruly the 
convention body can be, and agree that the Chair does a phenomenal job 
in keeping the business moving along smoothly.  However, when it comes 
to these elections, I think there are some lessons to be learned that 
need to be addressed before we move on.

Address the root of the problem first.  If it takes too many ballots to 
elect them, we need to use a better voting system, a more efficient 
method of counting, or anything that would make it take less time.  
Start earlier.  I see some other ideas floating around already.  I think 
it would be a good idea to suggest that the JC assist or be in charge of 
counting ballots for the LNC, and free up the Secretary for recording.

Perhaps we can discuss and bring all of our ideas to Phoenix and work on 
a lasting plan as a team.  I would much rather discuss further in 
Phoenix.  Still Voting No.

Thanks!



-- 
In Liberty,
Jeff Lyons

Region 8 Alternate
(Acting Region 8 Rep)

Libertarian Assoc. of MA
Membership Director
http://www.lpmass.org/join

Daniel Fishman for Auditor
Campaign Manager
http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com

On 2018-08-01 13:31, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
> I vote no, with a preference to take up discussion at the September
> meeting.  I thought that was the preference expressed when JBH floated
> a proposal earlier.
> 
> I don't see it as being particularly urgent.  Surely we can avoid
> violating the bylaws for a few weeks, and I'm not aware of any plans
> to suspend anyone from the LNC, such that that short appeal time
> frames would be involved.
> 
> -Alicia
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>> LNC-Business
>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>> Harlos,
>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>> National
>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as
>> if
>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member
>> or
>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>> votes
>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting [1]
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
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> [1] https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting