[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Thu Aug 2 12:19:20 EDT 2018

Nick,

You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you -
sometimes without question.  You pretty much led them through each
step on how to close the convention - even going through some
political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and
basically telling them to overrule you.  The delegates trusted that
this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections
would be taken care of.  But it didn't.  You goofed - it happens.  But
they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that
way.  I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to
have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one.  How
did that happen?  Too much trust and influence, IMHO.  There was
nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good
chair - people tend to forget you are human.

-Caryn Ann

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the
> fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen.  Nothing bad
> was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious.  It was simply being
> human.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips at lp.org
> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> And this is where we disagree.
>>
>> BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
>>
>> Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger
>> pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
>>
>> John Phillips
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM
>> To: john.phillips at lp.org;
>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
>>
>> And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were
>>> inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips at lp.org
>>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM
>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>> Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
>>>>>
>>>>> At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the
>>>>> convention agenda as specified in our rules
>>>>>
>>>>> It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the
>>>>>> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022,
>>>>>> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may
>>>>>> come up during the convention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM
>>>>>> To: Sam Goldstein;
>>>>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently
>>>>>> (but still grievously) caused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The delegates can take it up in 2020
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which
>>>>>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws.  I explicitly anticipated that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which
>>>>>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role
>>>>>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is
>>>>>>>> elected, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>    list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>>    Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>    Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>>>>    vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>    they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>>>>    follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>>>>    acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>    affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>>>    In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>    We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>    Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> We defend your rights
>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft