[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
Sam Goldstein
sam.goldstein at lp.org
Thu Aug 2 15:36:53 EDT 2018
If I was from Chicago would my voted have been counted twice?
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Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-08-02 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
>
> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
>
> Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound
> by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
> Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal
> course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set
> forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not
> binding upon any member or affiliate.
>
> Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
>
> Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth,
> Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
>
> Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
>
> Express Abstention: None
>
> No Vote Cast: Sarwark, Smith
>
> With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
>
> Ballot Notes: Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only
> counted once). Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but
> Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was
> counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5
> Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 8
> Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he
> yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote. Region 8 Alternate
> Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
>
> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link to the
> actual ballot cast for verification.
>
> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> Nick,
>>
>> You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you -
>> sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each
>> step on how to close the convention - even going through some
>> political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and
>> basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that
>> this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections
>> would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But
>> they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that
>> way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to
>> have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How
>> did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was
>> nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good
>> chair - people tend to forget you are human.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>> John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the
>>> fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad
>>> was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being
>>> human.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips at lp.org
>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> And this is where we disagree.
>>>>
>>>> BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely
>>>> pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue
>>>> finger
>>>> pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
>>>>
>>>> John Phillips
>>>>
>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>
>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM
>>>> To: john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>
>>>> And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were
>>>>> inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention
>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips at lp.org
>>>>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM
>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>>> Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> convention agenda as specified in our rules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting
>>>>>>>> until 2022,
>>>>>>>> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for
>>>>>>>> anything that may
>>>>>>>> come up during the convention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Sam Goldstein;
>>>>>>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair -
>>>>>>>> inadvertently
>>>>>>>> (but still grievously) caused.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The delegates can take it up in 2020
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly
>>>>>>>>> anticipated that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would
>>>>>>>>>> play this role
>>>>>>>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial
>>>>>>>>>> Committee is
>>>>>>>>>> elected, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of
>>>>>>>>>> this term.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the
>>>>>>>>>>> top-seven
>>>>>>>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018
>>>>>>>>>>> Convention as
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention
>>>>>>>>>>> business and
>>>>>>>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws.
>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any
>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual
>>>>>>>>>>> tally of
>>>>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>>>>>>>>>>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> We defend your rights
>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>> Taxation is theft
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