[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Thu Aug 2 15:41:23 EDT 2018 

That is the terminology I choose.  Just like I call executive session
"secret meetings" as well.  We all have our preferences.

-Caryn Ann

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:
> I object to that terminology.  They are not the acting JC.  They are the
> "top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
>>>
>>> Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected" even though
>>> none of them got over 41% of the delegates
>
> to approve of their election.  I suggest calling them the pretend JC.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2018-08-02 15:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> Please note that the acting JC (which is how I will refer to them) has
>> informed me that they adopted the 2016 Rules of Appellate Procedure
>> without amendment so nothing needs to be changed on the publication of
>> our Special Rules so we do not need to address that issue.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
>>>
>>> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
>>>
>>> Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound
>>> by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
>>> Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal
>>> course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set
>>> forth in our Bylaws.  It is acknowledged that this agreement is not
>>> binding upon any member or affiliate.
>>>
>>> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
>>>
>>> Voting "aye":  Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth,
>>> Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
>>>
>>> Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
>>>
>>> Express Abstention:  None
>>>
>>> No Vote Cast:  Sarwark, Smith
>>>
>>> With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
>>>
>>> Ballot Notes:  Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only
>>> counted once).   Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but
>>> Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was
>>> counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5
>>> Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted.  Region 8
>>> Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he
>>> yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote.  Region 8 Alternate
>>> Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
>>>
>>> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>>> actual ballot cast for verification.
>>>
>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nick,
>>>>
>>>> You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you -
>>>> sometimes without question.  You pretty much led them through each
>>>> step on how to close the convention - even going through some
>>>> political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and
>>>> basically telling them to overrule you.  The delegates trusted that
>>>> this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections
>>>> would be taken care of.  But it didn't.  You goofed - it happens.  But
>>>> they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that
>>>> way.  I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to
>>>> have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one.  How
>>>> did that happen?  Too much trust and influence, IMHO.  There was
>>>> nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good
>>>> chair - people tend to forget you are human.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the
>>>>> fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen.  Nothing bad
>>>>> was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious.  It was simply being
>>>>> human.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips at lp.org
>>>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this is where we disagree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely
>>>>>> pointless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue
>>>>>> finger
>>>>>> pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM
>>>>>> To: john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>>>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were
>>>>>>> inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips at lp.org
>>>>>>>> <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips at lp.org;
>>>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> convention agenda as specified in our rules
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the
>>>>>>>>>> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting
>>>>>>>>>> until 2022,
>>>>>>>>>> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for
>>>>>>>>>> anything that may
>>>>>>>>>> come up during the convention.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Sam Goldstein;
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>>>>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>>>>>>>>>> DECISIONS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair -
>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently
>>>>>>>>>> (but still grievously) caused.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The delegates can take it up in 2020
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>> <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws.  I explicitly
>>>>>>>>>>> anticipated that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play
>>>>>>>>>>>> this role
>>>>>>>>>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial
>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee is
>>>>>>>>>>>> elected, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> term.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> top-seven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Convention as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    they were elected in the normal course of convention
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tally of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> votes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> We defend your rights
>>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>>>>> Taxation is theft



-- 
-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft

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