[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS

Thu Aug 2 19:28:45 EDT 2018

I understand John, I was responding to Alicia.

-Caryn Ann

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 5:09 PM john.phillips at lp.org <john.phillips at lp.org>
wrote:

> I meant the motion(s) at the 2020 convention, not your motion ;) sorry for
> being unclear.
>
> It would likely require multiple levels of motion to do correctly,
> suspension of rules, followed by a bylaws ammendment to allow an election
> and a shortened term in a case like this, then either an election or
> affirmation vote.
>
> Either way it is my considered opinion that having a fully vested and
> empowered JC for the 2020 convention is important.  Others may not agree,
> but I will be pushing for it.
>
> John Phillips
>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Date: *Thu, Aug 2, 2018 6:31 PM
> *To: *lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> *Cc: *john.phillips at lp.org;
> *Subject:*Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
>
> It says as per Bylaws.  If the 2020 delegates amend the bylaws to elect
> then their term is over.
>
> If not then it’s 2022.  There is an expiration date in the motion - the
> bylaws.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:24 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Unless the motion is simply to affirm them until 2022
>>
>> John Phillips
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>> *From: *Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business
>> *Date: *Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:06 PM
>> *To: *Libertarian National Committee list;
>> *Cc: *Alicia Mattson;
>> *Subject:*Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC"
>> DECISIONS
>>
>> If the 2020 convention takes whatever actions are necessary to populate a
>> JudComm, then it makes the lack of an expiration date in this motion a
>> problem.  As Ms. Harlos indicated yesterday, her intent is for it to apply
>> for the duration of the 4-year term that would have existed had a JudComm
>> been elected.  If the 2020 convention acts and puts different people in for
>> the remaining 2 years of the term, then this motion becomes in conflict
>> with the delegates.  At the Phoenix meeting it is my intention to amend the
>> motion just adopted to add an expiration date which would be the end of
>> this LNC term.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:45 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
>>>
>>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently (but
>>> still grievously) caused.
>>>
>>> The delegates can take it up in 2020
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?
>>>> ---
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which
>>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws.  I explicitly anticipated that.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which
>>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role
>>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is
>>>>> elected, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the
>>>>>> LNC-Business
>>>>>>    list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:
>>>>>> Harlos,
>>>>>>    Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian
>>>>>> National
>>>>>>    Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven
>>>>>>    vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>    they were elected in the normal course of convention business and
>>>>>>    follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is
>>>>>>    acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or
>>>>>>    affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>>>>>> votes
>>>>>
>>>>>    here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>    In Liberty,
>>>>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>>>>
>>>>>    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <+Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>>>> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>>>> <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>>>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>    We defend your rights
>>>>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>>>>    Taxation is theft
>>>>>>
>>>>>> References
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>>>>>    2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> <+LPedia at LP.org>
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>
>> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> <+Secretary at LP.org.>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> <+LPedia at LP.org>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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