[Lnc-business] Complaints from members
Steven Nekhaila
steven.nekhaila at lp.org
Tue Aug 14 13:24:35 EDT 2018
If you feel that this thread is innapropriate then I encourage you to vote Nay. Otherwise, I am in complete support. We disavowed fascism, why is it a problem to disavow communism?
The problem is we have candidates who are proposing socialist policy items and running as Libertarians. This must not be tolerated.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
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> On Aug 14, 2018 at 11:46 AM, <John Phillips (mailto:john.phillips at lp.org)> wrote:
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> Ok guys. We get it. I don't think anyone here cares for socialism. And we could trade emails of people complaining both ways all damn day, because I have plenty of members and candidates IRATE over this body and party leadership putting this at the head of the priority list. Oh and I am one of those candidates. John Phillips for County Board.
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> You don't think maybe we have better things to do than argue over your urge to purge?
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> Lets start with an admitted pedophile and rapist being on our roles as a lifetime member? Yes Wes removed him from the online list, sick bastard is still a member. Maybe that is a little more important than a couple fools saying "rent is theft"? Or are the bulkshit "muh rules" REEEEE's to strong? how is this not more important than 10 deluded people who couldn't say anything without getting booed?
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> We have A LOT of people saying DUI is a not a crime if no one gets hurt, that is a bit more of an issue than 10 goofy people who got booed off stage saying rent is theft.
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> We have a thousand candidates looming for volunteers and help. How about getting that handled? I noticed the convo about PA has dropped off the map. As have all the other candidate support questions. How is that not more important than 10 silly people who kept getting booed off?
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> How about we teach our candidates how to answer hard questions? Every party has their lunatic fringe, the old parties have shown that the best way to marginalize them is not give them press. The response is easy when people ask is easy;
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> " Republicans have people like the WBC and people calling for violence against transgender children, Democrats have people painting themselves in period blood and calling for white people to die. Both bomb children, but your worried about a fool saying rent is theft."
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> I get a laugh and a sheepish nod EVERY time I use that response.
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> AND at least 2 of the people pushing this the hardest are survivors of recent purge attempts themselves. Radicals, anarchists, and the Mises caucus were all attacked in my current memory Is that Irony? Or is it just being a damned hypocrite?
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> You know who else did purges? Here is a list that I would think people who claim to be interested in history might be familiar with.
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Political_and_cultural_purges
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> Funny, lots of communists and fascists seem to like purges ...
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> Y'all are acting like a bunch of school children rather than the adults we are supposed to be, especially compared to the other two parties.
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> Did you forget we are the party that encourages individual thought? You start purging and making big deals about every sap that says stupid shit we will never get ANYTHING done, because boy we have a lot of people that say stupid shit.
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> Make your damn "rent is not theft" motion and move the fuck on. I even agree with that statement.
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> We have more important stuff to do, stop with the immature bullshit and lets do that. It is embarrassing that I even have to say that.
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> Anything else on this pile of horse shit will just be automatically deleted as far as I'm concerned.
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> John Phillips
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> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
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> ------ Original message------
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> From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
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> Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 9:57 AM
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> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org);
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> Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
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> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Complaints from members
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> Dear Colleagues, I stand behind the Statement of Principles and libertarian ideals. I vow to fight socialism in the Libertarian Party and collectivism in all of its forms. Socialism and Libertarianism are incompatible, even anarchist sects of socialism which are diametrically opposed to the tenets of the very ideology this organization is poised to promote. I will not be silent, and I applaud my colleagues who are standing up against this entryism. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila Region 2 Representative Libertarian National Committee Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt "Those without power cannot defend freedom" On 2018-08-13 05 (tel:2018-08-13%2005):42 PM, brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business wrote: > I'm with you. > > -Brent > > On 2018-08-13 09 (tel:2018-08-13%2009):30, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> I am in favour of member voices being heard. And if that is where we >> are going who wants to bet how many more support me for rejecting >> socialism? Any bets? >> Will this LNC take a stand against completely inimical entryism or >> are >> we only brave with white nationalists? >> -Caryn Ann >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos >> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org (mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org)> wrote: >> >> And I will be clear. >> I have zero intention of promoting unity with socialism. Or >> communism. EVER. Mr. Shipley can file a standing complaint >> because I >> will not be stopping. I have only just begun. >> -Caryn Ann >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos >> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org (mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org)> wrote: >> >> Yes I absolutely said we have no unity with these messages and I >> will >> continue to do so at every opportunity I have. >> There are member complaints given to me that the LNC is shamefully >> silent about leftist infiltration. >> No unity with socialism. >> No unity with communism. >> Does any LNC member want to defend unity with the below? The >> membership deserves to know if you do. >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:47 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business >> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org (mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org)> wrote: >> >> As promised to those members, I will bring their complaints to >> the LNC. >> I have encouraged all parties to to submit formal complaints >> with >> greivances if they expect to see action. I do not want to turn >> this >> into a bashing session but do want their thoughts heard. >> Caryn Ann Harlos is accused by two members of abusing her >> position to >> send a message of anti-unity within the LP amongst >> philosophical >> libertarians. >> Joshua Smith is accused of unprofessional behavior and >> personal >> attacks >> on Facebook. >> If a formal complaint comes through, I will supply more >> information. >> Richard >> -- >> Richard Longstreth >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, >> WA, >> WY) >> Libertarian National Committee >> [1][4]richard.longstreth at lp.org (mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org) >> 931.538.9300 (tel:931.538.9300) >> References >> 1. mailto:[5]richard.longstreth at lp.org (mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org) >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary >> - [6]Caryn.An (http://Caryn.An)n.Harlos at LP.org (mailto:%20Harlos at LP.org) orSecretary at LP.org. (mailto:%20Secretary at LP.org.) >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -LPedia at LP.org (mailto:%20LPedia at LP.org) >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary >> - [7]Caryn.An (http://Caryn.An)n.Harlos at LP.org (mailto:%20Harlos at LP.org) orSecretary at LP.org. (mailto:%20Secretary at LP.org.) >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -LPedia at LP.org (mailto:%20LPedia at LP.org) >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org (mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org) >> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org (mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org) >> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org (mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org) >> 4. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org (mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org) >> 5. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org (mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org) >> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org (mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org) >> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org (mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org)
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If you feel that this thread is innapropriate then I encourage you to
vote Nay. Otherwise, I am in complete support. We disavowed fascism,
why is it a problem to disavow communism?
The problem is we have candidates who are proposing socialist policy
items and running as Libertarians. This must not be tolerated.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
On Aug 14, 2018 at 11:46 AM, <[1]John Phillips> wrote:
Ok guys. We get it. I don't think anyone here cares for socialism.
And we could trade emails of people complaining both ways all damn day,
because I have plenty of members and candidates IRATE over this body
and party leadership putting this at the head of the priority list. Oh
and I am one of those candidates. John Phillips for County Board.
You don't think maybe we have better things to do than argue over your
urge to purge?
Lets start with an admitted pedophile and rapist being on our roles as
a lifetime member? Yes Wes removed him from the online list, sick
bastard is still a member. Maybe that is a little more important than
a couple fools saying "rent is theft"? Or are the bulkshit "muh rules"
REEEEE's to strong? how is this not more important than 10 deluded
people who couldn't say anything without getting booed?
We have A LOT of people saying DUI is a not a crime if no one gets
hurt, that is a bit more of an issue than 10 goofy people who got booed
off stage saying rent is theft.
We have a thousand candidates looming for volunteers and help. How
about getting that handled? I noticed the convo about PA has dropped
off the map. As have all the other candidate support questions. How
is that not more important than 10 silly people who kept getting booed
off?
How about we teach our candidates how to answer hard questions? Every
party has their lunatic fringe, the old parties have shown that the
best way to marginalize them is not give them press. The response is
easy when people ask is easy;
" Republicans have people like the WBC and people calling for violence
against transgender children, Democrats have people painting themselves
in period blood and calling for white people to die. Both bomb
children, but your worried about a fool saying rent is theft."
I get a laugh and a sheepish nod EVERY time I use that response.
AND at least 2 of the people pushing this the hardest are survivors of
recent purge attempts themselves. Radicals, anarchists, and the Mises
caucus were all attacked in my current memory Is that Irony? Or is it
just being a damned hypocrite?
You know who else did purges? Here is a list that I would think people
who claim to be interested in history might be familiar with.
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Political_and_cultural_purges
Funny, lots of communists and fascists seem to like purges ...
Y'all are acting like a bunch of school children rather than the
adults we are supposed to be, especially compared to the other two
parties.
Did you forget we are the party that encourages individual thought?
You start purging and making big deals about every sap that says stupid
shit we will never get ANYTHING done, because boy we have a lot of
people that say stupid shit.
Make your damn "rent is not theft" motion and move the fuck on. I even
agree with that statement.
We have more important stuff to do, stop with the immature bullshit and
lets do that. It is embarrassing that I even have to say that.
Anything else on this pile of horse shit will just be automatically
deleted as far as I'm concerned.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [3]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 9:57 AM
To: [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Complaints from members
Dear Colleagues,
I stand behind the Statement of Principles and libertarian ideals. I vow
to fight socialism in the Libertarian Party and collectivism in all of
its forms. Socialism and Libertarianism are incompatible, even anarchist
sects of socialism which are diametrically opposed to the tenets of the
very ideology this organization is poised to promote. I will not be
silent, and I applaud my colleagues who are standing up against this
entryism.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
Libertarian National Committee
Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
"Those without power cannot defend freedom"
On [5]2018-08-13 05:42 PM, brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> I'm with you.
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> -Brent
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> On [6]2018-08-13 09:30, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> I am in favour of member voices being heard. And if that is where we
>> are going who wants to bet how many more support me for rejecting
>> socialism? Any bets?
>> Will this LNC take a stand against completely inimical entryism or
>> are
>> we only brave with white nationalists?
>> -Caryn Ann
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>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[1[7]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
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>> And I will be clear.
>> I have zero intention of promoting unity with socialism. Or
>> communism. EVER. Mr. Shipley can file a standing complaint
>> because I
>> will not be stopping. I have only just begun.
>> -Caryn Ann
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>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2[8]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
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>> Yes I absolutely said we have no unity with these messages and I
>> will
>> continue to do so at every opportunity I have.
>> There are member complaints given to me that the LNC is shamefully
>> silent about leftist infiltration.
>> No unity with socialism.
>> No unity with communism.
>> Does any LNC member want to defend unity with the below? The
>> membership deserves to know if you do.
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:47 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business
>> <[3[9]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> As promised to those members, I will bring their complaints to
>> the LNC.
>> I have encouraged all parties to to submit formal complaints
>> with
>> greivances if they expect to see action. I do not want to turn
>> this
>> into a bashing session but do want their thoughts heard.
>> Caryn Ann Harlos is accused by two members of abusing her
>> position to
>> send a message of anti-unity within the LP amongst
>> philosophical
>> libertarians.
>> Joshua Smith is accused of unprofessional behavior and
>> personal
>> attacks
>> on Facebook.
>> If a formal complaint comes through, I will supply more
>> information.
>> Richard
>> --
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
>> WA,
>> WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> [1][4[10]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> [11]931.538.9300
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[5[12]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
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>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [6][13]Caryn.Ann.[14] Harlos at LP.org or[15] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[16] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [7][17]Caryn.Ann.[18] Harlos at LP.org or[19] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[20] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
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>> 1. mailto[21]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 2. mailto[22]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto[23]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 4. mailto[24]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 5. mailto[25]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 6. mailto[26]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 7. mailto[27]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Political_and_cultural_purges
3. tel:217-412-5973
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. tel:2018-08-13 05
6. tel:2018-08-13 09
7. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
8. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
9. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. tel:931.538.9300
12. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
13. http://Caryn.An/
14. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
16. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
17. http://Caryn.An/
18. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
19. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
20. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
21. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
22. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
23. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
24. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
25. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
26. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
27. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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