[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors for Resolution to Re-Affirm The LP's Stance For Property Rights
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Tue Aug 14 15:06:44 EDT 2018
We are only allowed to speak on this clearly in the platform. As we did
about racism.
I don’t think it’s vague there either.
But it’s often helpful and needful to restate and reaffirm.
-Caryn Ann
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:01 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:
> We have a platform that states what we stand for, and you were the
> platform committee chair for 2018. I was on that committee, as were
> several other members of this board.
>
> Did we not do our duty? Did we leave the platform to be ambiguous and
> confusing? I don't think so.
>
> Our wonderful LP platform speaks for the LP, and tells prospective members
> where we stand. We educate from that document, and I know that you
> understand this, as you were instrumental in doing platform plank posts on
> social media. You know that the platform speaks for us on issues of
> property rights.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-08-14 14:55, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> It is quite problematic that stating the Party's foundational Principles
> is controversial or thought to need a platform change.
>
> We have gone far from our roots.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:51 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I also would have supported the first effort (with my language changes)
>> as it was a clear support of capitalism. Too bad that wasn't embraced.
>>
>> On this list I've seen multiple times someone talk about past actions as
>> a reason, (we denounced that, so why not this?) the more times I see,
>> the more this looks like a grudge match.
>>
>> As the players in this drama, and yes it's a big drama on social media,
>> are ones that have had an ongoing war-of-words with the targets of this
>> suggested resolution. Only, some of the players also happen to be on
>> the LNC, and are now using that position to escalate.
>>
>> I was willing to support a resolution that embraced capitalism, as I
>> live my life as a capitalist. It is my economic system of choice, and I
>> make an effort to teach this to others.
>>
>> Too bad this isn't about championing the wonderful economic system of
>> capitalism, but instead is about targeting a few noisy LP members.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>>
>> On 2018-08-14 14:26, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > This is not the same language as was presented and discussed earlier.
>> > Just to clarify for people who may just be skimming.
>> > I probably would have gone along with the first. This one is toxic
>> > and
>> > the language clearly meant to be be a purge.
>> > If it was just a supporting of property rights I would absolutely
>> > support it. This is far more than that, and honestly far exceeds
>> > the
>> > scope of the duties of this body. It is a direct change to policy
>> > seriously impacts current members and activists.
>> > If you want a platform change take it to Austin. That is not our
>> > job.
>> > I will be voting no on this, and urge everyone else to seriously
>> > consider whether they support a precedent of purging groups. Not to
>> > mention how many of you during the JC discussion were treading very
>> > carefully about not exceeding our scope, a point that was well taken
>> > after reflection, will you be consistent here?
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell [1]217-412-5973
>> >
>> > ------ Original message------
>> > From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
>> > Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 10:50 AM
>> > To: LNC-Business List;
>> > Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
>> > Subject:[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors for Resolution to
>> > Re-Affirm
>> > The LP's Stance For Property Rights
>> > Dear Colleagues,
>> >
>> > I invite you to co-sponsor the following resolution which disavows
>> > socialist & communist policies and re-affirms the Libertarian Party
>> > position on championing property rights.
>> >
>> > Co-Sponsors: Joshua Smith, Justin O'Donnel, and Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and therefore
>> > the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
>> > individual;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
>> > explicitly
>> > supports the right to private property ownership, including the right
>> > to
>> > do business utilizing that property as capital;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
>> > individuals to own private property including land, structures, natural
>> > resources and other private space through homesteading, purchase, and
>> > other lawful libertarian means;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not limited to
>> > land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to exist
>> > as
>> > justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
>> > Party
>> > since its inception;
>> >
>> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist property
>> > ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property, unlawful
>> > usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of private
>> > property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties, are
>> > incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>> >
>> >
>> > In Liberty,
>> >
>> > Steven Nekhaila
>> > Region 2 Representative
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >
>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. tel:217-412-5973
>
> --
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
> --
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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We are only allowed to speak on this clearly in the platform. As we
did about racism.
I don’t think it’s vague there either.
But it’s often helpful and needful to restate and reaffirm.
-Caryn Ann
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:01 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
<[1]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
We have a platform that states what we stand for, and you were the
platform committee chair for 2018. I was on that committee, as were
several other members of this board.
Did we not do our duty? Did we leave the platform to be ambiguous and
confusing? I don't think so.
Our wonderful LP platform speaks for the LP, and tells prospective
members where we stand. We educate from that document, and I know
that you understand this, as you were instrumental in doing platform
plank posts on social media. You know that the platform speaks for us
on issues of property rights.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-14 14:55, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
It is quite problematic that stating the Party's foundational
Principles is controversial or thought to need a platform change.
We have gone far from our roots.
-Caryn Ann
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:51 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I also would have supported the first effort (with my language
changes)
as it was a clear support of capitalism. Too bad that wasn't
embraced.
On this list I've seen multiple times someone talk about past
actions as
a reason, (we denounced that, so why not this?) the more times I
see,
the more this looks like a grudge match.
As the players in this drama, and yes it's a big drama on social
media,
are ones that have had an ongoing war-of-words with the targets of
this
suggested resolution. Only, some of the players also happen to be
on
the LNC, and are now using that position to escalate.
I was willing to support a resolution that embraced capitalism, as I
live my life as a capitalist. It is my economic system of choice,
and I
make an effort to teach this to others.
Too bad this isn't about championing the wonderful economic system
of
capitalism, but instead is about targeting a few noisy LP members.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-14 14:26, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> This is not the same language as was presented and discussed
earlier.
> Just to clarify for people who may just be skimming.
> I probably would have gone along with the first. This one is
toxic
> and
> the language clearly meant to be be a purge.
> If it was just a supporting of property rights I would
absolutely
> support it. This is far more than that, and honestly far
exceeds
> the
> scope of the duties of this body. It is a direct change to
policy
> seriously impacts current members and activists.
> If you want a platform change take it to Austin. That is not
our
> job.
> I will be voting no on this, and urge everyone else to
seriously
> consider whether they support a precedent of purging groups.
Not to
> mention how many of you during the JC discussion were treading
very
> carefully about not exceeding our scope, a point that was well
taken
> after reflection, will you be consistent here?
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business
> Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 10:50 AM
> To: LNC-Business List;
> Cc: Steven Nekhaila;
> Subject:[Lnc-business] Seeking Co-Sponsors for Resolution to
> Re-Affirm
> The LP's Stance For Property Rights
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I invite you to co-sponsor the following resolution which disavows
> socialist & communist policies and re-affirms the Libertarian
Party
> position on championing property rights.
>
> Co-Sponsors: Joshua Smith, Justin O'Donnel, and Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
therefore
> the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
> individual;
>
> WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
> explicitly
> supports the right to private property ownership, including the
right
> to
> do business utilizing that property as capital;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land, structures,
natural
> resources and other private space through homesteading, purchase,
and
> other lawful libertarian means;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not limited
to
> land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
exist
> as
> justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
> Party
> since its inception;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist property
> ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
unlawful
> usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of private
> property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties, are
> incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:217-412-5973
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
4. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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