[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
Susan Hogarth
susan.hogarth at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 14:23:49 EDT 2018
Wait. Are we voting on a resolution or on a screencap of one person’s philosophico-economic maunderings?
You’re trying to have it both ways: that the resolution just ‘supports’ what we already say and isn’t targeted at anyone, and now here that it is directly targeted at people who you don’t think understand libertarianism. (And maybe they don’t - that’s beside the point).
This is the core problem with this resolution: the vote is being held up as some sort of litmus test on whether LNC members are “the right sort of libertarian”. I wish I could convey how insulting and manipulative that feels.
I support the Platform and the SoP. That’s why I am here. That’s why we are *all* here. I resent mightily the implication that if (or others) fail to support what we may think is a poorly concieved, opportunistic, and divisive resolution that we somehow have rejected capitalism apple pie and the libertarian way.
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
>
> On Aug 15, 2018 at 2:08 PM, <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)> wrote:
>
>
>
> Because of that, I vote YES on the resolution. Having polite
> proponents of the opposing view explain in their own words what they
> are promoting under the LP banner is more eloquent than I can be.
> Resolution aside - does anyone here think that statement is compatible
> with LP principles?
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> The attached is what I vote no on.
>
> Not compatible with LP Principles.
>
> It is a very clear and polite statement of the ideology that is
> co-opting our Party.
>
> [cid:1653ec4b605b44f05e91]
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:08 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business
> <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> If this resolution merely restates the platform and statement of
> principles, it is redundant.
> If it goes beyond the platform and statement of principles, it is
> inappropriate.
> In any case, it is a divisive and distracting waste of time to argue
> over who is a "real libertarian."
> I vote NO.
> Yours in liberty,
> Nick
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:56 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >
> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
> 11:59:59pm
> > Pacific time.
> >
> > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
> Nekhaila,
> > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
> >
> > Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> therefore
> > the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
> > individual;
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
> > explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
> including
> > the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> > individuals to own private property including land, structures,
> natural
> > resources and other private space through homesteading,
> purchase, and
> > other lawful libertarian means;
> >
> > WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
> limited to
> > land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
> exist
> > as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
> >
> > WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
> Libertarian
> > Party since its inception;
> >
> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
> property
> > ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
> unlawful
> > usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
> private
> > property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties,
> are
> > incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > Important Bylaws note:
> >
> > Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
> >
> > Article 7:
> >
> > ***
> >
> > The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a
> ¾ vote
> > with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
> notice.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> here:
> > [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a
> link to the
> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that
> the
> > manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
> >
> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> -
> > [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [8]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
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Wait. Are we voting on a resolution or on a screencap of one person’s
philosophico-economic maunderings?
You’re trying to have it both ways: that the resolution just ‘supports’
what we already say and isn’t targeted at anyone, and now here that it
is directly targeted at people who you don’t think understand
libertarianism. (And maybe they don’t - that’s beside the point).
This is the core problem with this resolution: the vote is being held
up as some sort of litmus test on whether LNC members are “the right
sort of libertarian”. I wish I could convey how insulting and
manipulative that feels.
I support the Platform and the SoP. That’s why I am here. That’s why we
are *all* here. I resent mightily the implication that if (or others)
fail to support what we may think is a poorly concieved, opportunistic,
and divisive resolution that we somehow have rejected capitalism apple
pie and the libertarian way.
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
[1]919-906-2106
On Aug 15, 2018 at 2:08 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business>
wrote:
Because of that, I vote YES on the resolution. Having polite
proponents of the opposing view explain in their own words what they
are promoting under the LP banner is more eloquent than I can be.
Resolution aside - does anyone here think that statement is compatible
with LP principles?
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
The attached is what I vote no on.
Not compatible with LP Principles.
It is a very clear and polite statement of the ideology that is
co-opting our Party.
[cid:1653ec4b605b44f05e91]
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:08 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
If this resolution merely restates the platform and statement of
principles, it is redundant.
If it goes beyond the platform and statement of principles, it is
inappropriate.
In any case, it is a divisive and distracting waste of time to argue
over who is a "real libertarian."
I vote NO.
Yours in liberty,
Nick
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:56 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.
>
> Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
Nekhaila,
> Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>
> Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
therefore
> the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
> individual;
>
> WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
> explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
including
> the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> individuals to own private property including land, structures,
natural
> resources and other private space through homesteading,
purchase, and
> other lawful libertarian means;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
limited to
> land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
exist
> as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
Libertarian
> Party since its inception;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
property
> ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
unlawful
> usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
private
> property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties,
are
> incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>
> =============================================
>
> Important Bylaws note:
>
> Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>
> Article 7:
>
> ***
>
> The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a
¾ vote
> with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
notice.
>
> =============================================
>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
here:
> [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a
link to the
> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that
the
> manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>
> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
-
> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [8]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. tel:919-906-2106
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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