[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 14:28:52 EDT 2018


On a resolution.

I was merely letting a polite spokesperson and not a shock jock clearly
state what entryism prompted this whole thing.

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:23 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    Wait. Are we voting on a resolution or on a screencap of one person’s
>    philosophico-economic maunderings?
>
>    You’re trying to have it both ways: that the resolution just ‘supports’
>    what we already say and isn’t targeted at anyone, and now here that it
>    is directly targeted at people who you don’t think understand
>    libertarianism. (And maybe they don’t - that’s beside the point).
>
>    This is the core problem with this resolution: the vote is being held
>    up as some sort of litmus test on whether LNC members are “the right
>    sort of libertarian”. I wish I could convey how insulting and
>    manipulative that feels.
>
>    I support the Platform and the SoP. That’s why I am here. That’s why we
>    are *all* here. I resent mightily the implication that if (or others)
>    fail to support what we may think is a poorly concieved, opportunistic,
>    and divisive resolution that we somehow have rejected capitalism apple
>    pie and the libertarian way.
>
>    Susan Jane Hogarth
>
>    Region 5 Alternate
>
>    [1]919-906-2106
>
>    On Aug 15, 2018 at 2:08 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business>
>    wrote:
>
>     Because of that, I vote YES on the resolution.  Having polite
>    proponents of the opposing view explain in their own words what they
>    are promoting under the LP banner is more eloquent than I can be.
>    Resolution aside - does anyone here think that statement is compatible
>    with LP principles?
>    -Caryn Ann
>    On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>    <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
>    The attached is what I vote no on.
>
>    Not compatible with LP Principles.
>
>    It is a very clear and polite statement of the ideology that is
>    co-opting our Party.
>
>    [cid:1653ec4b605b44f05e91]
>
>    On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:08 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business
>    <[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>      If this resolution merely restates the platform and statement of
>      principles, it is redundant.
>      If it goes beyond the platform and statement of principles, it is
>      inappropriate.
>      In any case, it is a divisive and distracting waste of time to argue
>      over who is a "real libertarian."
>      I vote NO.
>      Yours in liberty,
>      Nick
>      On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:56 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>      <[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>      >
>      >    We have an electronic mail ballot.
>      >
>      >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
>      11:59:59pm
>      >    Pacific time.
>      >
>      >    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
>      Nekhaila,
>      >    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>      >
>      >    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>      >
>      >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
>      therefore
>      >    the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
>      >    individual;
>      >
>      >    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
>      >    explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
>      including
>      >    the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
>      >
>      >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
>      >    individuals to own private property including land, structures,
>      natural
>      >    resources and other private space through homesteading,
>      purchase, and
>      >    other lawful libertarian means;
>      >
>      >    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
>      limited to
>      >    land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
>      exist
>      >    as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>      >
>      >    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
>      Libertarian
>      >    Party since its inception;
>      >
>      >    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
>      property
>      >    ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
>      unlawful
>      >    usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
>      private
>      >    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties,
>      are
>      >    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>      >
>      >    =============================================
>      >
>      >    Important Bylaws note:
>      >
>      >    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>      >
>      >    Article 7:
>      >
>      >    ***
>      >
>      >    The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a
>      ¾ vote
>      >    with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
>      notice.
>      >
>      >    =============================================
>      >
>      >    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
>      here:
>      >    [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted with a
>      link to the
>      >    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that
>      the
>      >    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>      >
>      >    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>      >    --
>      >    In Liberty,
>      >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>      >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>      -
>      >    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>      >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>      >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>      >    We defend your rights
>      >    And oppose the use of force
>      >    Taxation is theft
>      >
>      > References
>      >
>      >    1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>      >    2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>      --
>
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
>
>    --
>
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [8]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>    8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
>    1. tel:919-906-2106
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
-- 
-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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   On a resolution.
   I was merely letting a polite spokesperson and not a shock jock clearly
   state what entryism prompted this whole thing.
   On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:23 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        Wait. Are we voting on a resolution or on a screencap of one
     person’s
        philosophico-economic maunderings?
        You’re trying to have it both ways: that the resolution just
     ‘supports’
        what we already say and isn’t targeted at anyone, and now here
     that it
        is directly targeted at people who you don’t think understand
        libertarianism. (And maybe they don’t - that’s beside the point).
        This is the core problem with this resolution: the vote is being
     held
        up as some sort of litmus test on whether LNC members are “the
     right
        sort of libertarian”. I wish I could convey how insulting and
        manipulative that feels.
        I support the Platform and the SoP. That’s why I am here. That’s
     why we
        are *all* here. I resent mightily the implication that if (or
     others)
        fail to support what we may think is a poorly concieved,
     opportunistic,
        and divisive resolution that we somehow have rejected capitalism
     apple
        pie and the libertarian way.
        Susan Jane Hogarth
        Region 5 Alternate
        [1]919-906-2106
        On Aug 15, 2018 at 2:08 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via
     Lnc-business>
        wrote:
         Because of that, I vote YES on the resolution.  Having polite
        proponents of the opposing view explain in their own words what
     they
        are promoting under the LP banner is more eloquent than I can be.
        Resolution aside - does anyone here think that statement is
     compatible
        with LP principles?
        -Caryn Ann
        On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
        <[1][2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
        The attached is what I vote no on.
        Not compatible with LP Principles.
        It is a very clear and polite statement of the ideology that is
        co-opting our Party.
        [cid:1653ec4b605b44f05e91]
        On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:08 AM Nicholas Sarwark via
     Lnc-business
        <[2][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
          If this resolution merely restates the platform and statement
     of
          principles, it is redundant.
          If it goes beyond the platform and statement of principles, it
     is
          inappropriate.
          In any case, it is a divisive and distracting waste of time to
     argue
          over who is a "real libertarian."
          I vote NO.
          Yours in liberty,
          Nick
          On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:56 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via
     Lnc-business
          <[3][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
          >
          >    We have an electronic mail ballot.
          >
          >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
          11:59:59pm
          >    Pacific time.
          >
          >    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
          Nekhaila,
          >    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
          >
          >    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
          >
          >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market
     and
          therefore
          >    the right of privatization of property as an extension of
     the
          >    individual;
          >
          >    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian
     Party
          >    explicitly supports the right to private property
     ownership,
          including
          >    the right to do business utilizing that property as
     capital;
          >
          >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the
     rights of
          >    individuals to own private property including land,
     structures,
          natural
          >    resources and other private space through homesteading,
          purchase, and
          >    other lawful libertarian means;
          >
          >    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
          limited to
          >    land and housing, does not require continual or personal
     use to
          exist
          >    as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
          >
          >    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
          Libertarian
          >    Party since its inception;
          >
          >    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
          property
          >    ownership schemes, including the collectivization of
     property,
          unlawful
          >    usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
          private
          >    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
     parties,
          are
          >    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
          >
          >    =============================================
          >
          >    Important Bylaws note:
          >
          >    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
          >
          >    Article 7:
          >
          >    ***
          >
          >    The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions
     by a
          ¾ vote
          >    with previous notice or by unanimous consent without
     previous
          notice.
          >
          >    =============================================
          >
          >    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
     votes
          here:
          >    [1][4][5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted
     with a
          link to the
          >    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time
     that
          the
          >    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
          >
          >    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
          >    --
          >    In Liberty,
          >    Caryn Ann Harlos
          >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
     Secretary
          -
          >    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
          >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
     LPedia at LP.org
          >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
          >    We defend your rights
          >    And oppose the use of force
          >    Taxation is theft
          >
          > References
          >
          >    1. [5][6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
          >    2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
          --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [8]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
     References
        1. mailto:[7]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
        2. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        3. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        4. [10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
        5. [11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
        6. mailto:[12]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        7. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
        8. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
     References
        1. tel:919-906-2106
        2. mailto:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org

   --

   --
   In Liberty,
   Caryn Ann Harlos
   Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
   - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
   Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
   A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
   We defend your rights
   And oppose the use of force
   Taxation is theft

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
   6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
   7. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
   8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  10. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  12. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org


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