[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
Elizabeth Van Horn
elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 16:02:30 EDT 2018
Well, one other person (Nick) also put the vote after a statement. I
may send another vote, with the vote at the beginning, and my statement
below. I'll see if my vote shows up on the vote tally sheet that Caryn
Ann keeps.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-08-15 15:52, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> I agree with everything you said, but just to satisfy the "muh rules"
> crowd, you might want to put your vote in its own email. Or at least
> at
> the beginning.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [1]217-412-5973
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> Date: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 2:46 PM
> To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;Caryn Ann Harlos;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS
> RESOLUTION
> Why isn't capitalism included along with socialism and communism?
>
> If: We believe that: "....unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
> parties, are
>> incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party."
>
> Then it doesn't matter what economic system it is. We don't believe in
> *forcing* people into submission. That stands true for ALL economic
> systems. Currently, we live in a semi-capitalistic economic system.
> We
> aspire to the true free-market, but don't have it.
>
> IF: We don't believe in the "unlawful
>> usurpation of property,.."
>
> Whose laws? Laws come from the state. Yet, we have anarchists in the
> LP who assert that the state has no right to enact laws without the
> voluntary agreement of ALL people. So, are property laws taking into
> consideration the agreement of *all* people? No, of course not.
> Because, not all people agree, nor wish to have those laws. (Mind you,
> I believe in the right of owning property, but I *don't* believe in
> forcing my beliefs onto others.)
>
> IF: We believe in the rights of individuals...
>
> Then, why would be disavow the right to, "incorrect characterizations
> of
> private property,.." ? People have a right to incorrectly characterize
> ideas. Are we now saying that people have no right to thoughts and
> speech with which we disagree? It doesn't matter if, "unless otherwise
> voluntarily agreed by all parties", when it comes to free speech
> rights.
> That's the whole point of free speech! Since when is free speech,
> "incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party."? Who
> decides what is an "incorrect characterization"? If freely agreed upon
> by a group, then it doesn't matter what characterization one makes.
>
> What has caused the sponsors of this resolution to single out two
> economic systems that a handful of noisy LP members support? If our LP
> platform already spells out our values, then we point to the platform.
> But, this resolution isn't about just support of our platform, which
> was
> confirmed by delegates at our 2018 national convention in July. This
> is
> about acknowledging that a few noisy people within the LP have irked
> and
> scared some other members. They're so scared that the free market of
> ideas might not have their ideas come out on top. So, out of fear,
> they
> wish to use an LNC Top-Down Resolution, to give a smack-down to the
> tiny
> rabble that dare to challenge their ideas.
>
> It's too bad that the original suggested resolution, which championed
> capitalism and I was willing to co-sponsor after tweaking the language,
> was rejected in favor of this poorly worded one.
>
> I vote: NO
>
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
>
> On [3]2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>
>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
>> 11:59:59pm
>> Pacific time.
>>
>> Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
>> Nekhaila,
>> Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>>
>> Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
>> therefore
>> the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
>> individual;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
>> explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
>> including
>> the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
>> individuals to own private property including land, structures,
>> natural
>> resources and other private space through homesteading, purchase,
>> and
>> other lawful libertarian means;
>>
>> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not limited
>> to
>> land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
>> exist
>> as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>>
>> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
>> Party since its inception;
>>
>> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist property
>> ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
>> unlawful
>> usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of private
>> property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties, are
>> incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>>
>> =============================================
>>
>> Important Bylaws note:
>>
>> Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>>
>> Article 7:
>>
>> ***
>>
>> The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a ¾
>> vote
>> with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
>> notice.
>>
>> =============================================
>>
>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link
>> to
>> the
>> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>> manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>>
>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> [2][5]Caryn.Ann.[6] Harlos at LP.org or[7] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[8] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. [9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>> 2. mailto[10]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> References
>
> 1. tel:217-412-5973
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. tel:2018-08-15 05
> 4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.
> 5. http://Caryn.An/
> 6. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
> 8. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 10. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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