[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 16:02:30 EDT 2018


Well, one other person (Nick) also put the vote after a statement.  I 
may send another vote, with the vote at the beginning, and my statement 
below.  I'll see if my vote shows up on the vote tally sheet that Caryn 
Ann keeps.

---
Elizabeth Van Horn


On 2018-08-15 15:52, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> I agree with everything you said, but just to satisfy the "muh rules"
>    crowd, you might want to put your vote in its own email. Or at least 
> at
>    the beginning.
>    John Phillips
>    Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>    Cell [1]217-412-5973
> 
>    ------ Original message------
>    From: Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
>    Date: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 2:46 PM
>    To: [2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>    Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn;Caryn Ann Harlos;
>    Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS
>    RESOLUTION
> Why isn't capitalism included along with socialism and communism?
> 
> If: We believe that:  "....unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
> parties, are
>>    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party."
> 
> Then it doesn't matter what economic system it is.  We don't believe in
> *forcing* people into submission.  That stands true for ALL economic
> systems.  Currently, we live in a semi-capitalistic economic system.  
> We
> aspire to the true free-market, but don't have it.
> 
> IF:  We don't believe in the "unlawful
>>    usurpation of property,.."
> 
> Whose laws?  Laws come from the state.  Yet, we have anarchists in the
> LP who assert that the state has no right to enact laws without the
> voluntary agreement of ALL people.  So, are property laws taking into
> consideration the agreement of *all* people? No, of course not.
> Because, not all people agree, nor wish to have those laws.  (Mind you,
> I believe in the right of owning property, but I *don't* believe in
> forcing my beliefs onto others.)
> 
> IF:  We believe in the rights of individuals...
> 
> Then, why would be disavow the right to, "incorrect characterizations 
> of
> private property,.." ?  People have a right to incorrectly characterize
> ideas.  Are we now saying that people have no right to thoughts and
> speech with which we disagree?  It doesn't matter if, "unless otherwise
> voluntarily agreed by all parties", when it comes to free speech 
> rights.
>   That's the whole point of free speech! Since when is free speech,
> "incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party."?  Who
> decides what is an "incorrect characterization"?  If freely agreed upon
> by a group, then it doesn't matter what characterization one makes.
> 
> What has caused the sponsors of this resolution to single out two
> economic systems that a handful of noisy LP members support?  If our LP
> platform already spells out our values, then we point to the platform.
> But, this resolution isn't about just support of our platform, which 
> was
> confirmed by delegates at our 2018 national convention in July.  This 
> is
> about acknowledging that a few noisy people within the LP have irked 
> and
> scared some other members. They're so scared that the free market of
> ideas might not have their ideas come out on top.  So, out of fear, 
> they
> wish to use an LNC Top-Down Resolution, to give a smack-down to the 
> tiny
> rabble that dare to challenge their ideas.
> 
> It's too bad that the original suggested resolution, which championed
> capitalism and I was willing to co-sponsor after tweaking the language,
> was rejected in favor of this poorly worded one.
> 
> I vote: NO
> 
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> 
> 
> 
> On [3]2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> 
>>    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
>> 11:59:59pm
>>    Pacific time.
>> 
>>    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven 
>> Nekhaila,
>>    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>> 
>>    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>> 
>>    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
>> therefore
>>    the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
>>    individual;
>> 
>>    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
>>    explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
>> including
>>    the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
>> 
>>    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
>>    individuals to own private property including land, structures,
>> natural
>>    resources and other private space through homesteading, purchase,
>> and
>>    other lawful libertarian means;
>> 
>>    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not limited 
>> to
>>    land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
>> exist
>>    as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>> 
>>    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the Libertarian
>>    Party since its inception;
>> 
>>    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist property
>>    ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
>> unlawful
>>    usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of private
>>    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties, are
>>    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>> 
>>    =============================================
>> 
>>    Important Bylaws note:
>> 
>>    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>> 
>>    Article 7:
>> 
>>    ***
>> 
>>    The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a ¾
>> vote
>>    with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
>> notice.
>> 
>>    =============================================
>> 
>>    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>    [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted with a link 
>> to
>> the
>>    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>>    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>> 
>>    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>    --
>>    In Liberty,
>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>    [2][5]Caryn.Ann.[6] Harlos at LP.org or[7] Secretary at LP.org.
>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[8] LPedia at LP.org
>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>    We defend your rights
>>    And oppose the use of force
>>    Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>    1. [9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>>    2. mailto[10]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 
> References
> 
>    1. tel:217-412-5973
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. tel:2018-08-15 05
>    4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.
>    5. http://Caryn.An/
>    6. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
>    7. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
>    8. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
>    9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   10. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org



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