[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
Susan Hogarth
susan.hogarth at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 17:49:30 EDT 2018
I take it as a given that we are all working hard. I find these “let’s focus on real business” critiques tedious.
I do think we need to worry about a *perception* that we are allotting too much time to posturing, though.
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
919-906-2106 (tel:919-906-2106)
>
> On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:39 PM, <Caryn Ann Harlos (mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org)> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> My point was that I know for a fact of candidate assistance he is doing.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:36 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)> wrote:
>
> > I took a quick look at Smith’s fb page and it is indeed almost all
> > about this.
> >
> > Most disturbing in light of all the this-is-not-a-purge talk is his
> > featuring of this clearly pro-purge fanmail:
> >
> > [cid:6F811495-0D5B-4C23-AE16-0AFC39078BD6]
> >
> > Susan Jane Hogarth
> >
> > Region 5 Alternate
> >
> > [1]919-906-2106
> >
> > On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:14 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I do a weekly fundraising drive for a candidate each week.
> >
> > If you are going to go to the trouble of counting emails, it would be
> > nice if you went to the trouble of finding out things that don’t fit
> > your narrative. You could also do the same for Joshua. He can speak
> > to his own activities but I know for a fact that you caricature of him
> > as only caring about this is woefully incorrect.
> > By the time my promo schedule is done I will have raised as much. We
> > shouldn’t have to highlight our own candidacy efforts by putting other
> > people’s efforts down. That is a real issue in this Party.
> > -Caryn Ann
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business
> > <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)> wrote:
> >
> > I vote no.
> > I oppose socialism, support property rights, and think syndicalists
> > (to
> > use a more precise term for them) are naive, wrong, and internally
> > inconsistent. If one of their tiny number is a candidate for office
> > in
> > Michigan, I think it's fair if Michigan sought to expel them or
> > remove
> > them from the ballot. If one of them in a position of LNC authority
> > espouses views advocating violence or destruction of individual
> > rights,
> > I think it's fair to consider censure or removal.
> > Neither is the case here. This resolution either reaffirms our
> > platform
> > - using some odd language that throws Georgists and mutualists under
> > the
> > bus too - or it expands our platform and turns the LNC into a purity
> > police of Libertarian beliefs.
> > Mr. Olsen mentioned real instances of people hesitant about joining
> > the
> > party because of the rise of these syndicalists. That gives me
> > pause. If
> > I were talking to such a person, I'd point out our platform as it
> > stands
> > and let them know that the weirdo socialists couldn't even fill one
> > Uber, let alone pose any threat to our party. Would such a person be
> > more reassured by a "reaffirmed" Platform than the current Platform?
> > Are
> > our SoP and Platform so weak that this group has managed to shake
> > the
> > foundations of our Party?
> > I encounter people all the time who aren't sure what the Libertarian
> > Party stand for because of our various strains of thought and our
> > inability to focus on electing candidates. A non-binding resolution
> > doesn't fix that. It actually makes it worse - signalling that we
> > the
> > LNC can't keep our eye on electing candidates, or at least on
> > promoting
> > Libertarian solutions to the problems of the day.
> > In the four days, Ms. Harlos has written and sent 68 emails on this
> > matter and Mr. Smith has posted 20 Facebook posts on this matter.
> > They've decided this is their number one issue and want it to be the
> > LNC's number one issue.
> > If we're looking to demonstrate Libertarian relevance to voters, I
> > would
> > instead suggest one of the following could be our top item for
> > discussion, action, or marketing this week:
> > *China announces 25% tariffs on $60 billion worth of U.S. goods, in
> > response to President Trump considering higher tariffs on $200
> > billion
> > worth of Chinese goods. The total negative effect of enacted and
> > announced tariffs in this tariff war is 465,000 lost jobs and $150
> > billion less in economic growth.
> > *The U.S. Senate is poised to approve H.R. 6157, which increases
> > Pentagon spending to $675 billion for this upcoming year. While
> > federal
> > spending is being boosted, the U.S. Treasury is expected to borrow
> > $955
> > billion this year, up from $519 billion last year.
> > *$1.7 billion was spent on lobbying in Washington, DC in the first
> > six
> > months of this year, the highest since 2010. There are 9,785
> > registered
> > lobbyists in the nation's capital, or 18 for each member of
> > Congress.
> > *Electric power was restored to the entire island of Puerto Rico
> > today
> > for the first time since Hurricane Maria hit 328 days ago, a woeful
> > testament to the commonwealth's dependence on the federal
> > government.
> > *Wildfires continue to devastate northern California, destroying
> > thousands of homes and claiming 31 lives. Regulations prohibit
> > timber
> > companies from clearing out dense forests and removing an estimated
> > 129
> > million dead trees, leaving a tinder box.
> > *50 schoolchildren on a field trip were killed and 80 were wounded
> > in a
> > Saudi airstrike in northern Yemen that hit their bus last Thursday.
> > The
> > victims were age 6 to 11. U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo, on the
> > phone
> > with the Saudi Crown Prince a few days later, thanked the Saudis for
> > their help in Syria and Iraq.
> > *President Trump revoked the security clearance of one official who
> > has
> > spoken out against him, and fired an FBI official who spoke out
> > against
> > him.
> > *California's Supreme Court struck down San Diego's decision
> > (approved
> > by 65% of voters) to put city employees into a 401k retirement plan
> > instead of an antiquated and costly defined benefit pension plan. In
> > DC,
> > the WMATA transit agency lost a similar arbitration dispute.
> > Taxpayers
> > will have to pick up the tab in both instances.
> > *Socialist Venezuela today defaulted on another $1.125 billion in
> > bonds.
> > Several dozen opposition figures have been rounded up for
> > "questioning"
> > following a drone assassination attempt on Maduro earlier this
> > month.
> > *New Zealand banned foreigners from buying property as a way of
> > "solving" high housing prices. U.S. cities may look at the idea
> > next.
> > *North Dakota will vote on marijuana legalization, after LP activist
> > Dave Owen and his org LegalizeND got the issue on the ballot this
> > week.
> > *And of course, our many great candidates who need donations,
> > volunteers, and attention as they work to be elected and re-elected.
> > Imagine how much money we could raise for them or activists we could
> > get
> > for them if we were e-mailing 68 times or posting 20 Facebook posts
> > about them instead?
> > Relating to the last point, over the next few days I'm going to
> > personally donate $68 each - one for each of Ms. Harlos's emails
> > about
> > socialist entryism in the last four days - to ten LP candidates in
> > winnable or ballot-access-important races across the country, and
> > publicizing it to my network to encourage others to give as well. If
> > all
> > 27 of us were to do the same, that's an injection of $18,360 and a
> > clear
> > demonstration that this LNC has its priorities in order. If all 27
> > of us
> > were to get our networks to do the same, that may make the
> > difference
> > between winning and not winning. I welcome anyone joining me in this
> > pledge, regardless of how they vote on this resolution.
> > JBH
> > ------------
> > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> > LNC Member (At-Large)
> > [2]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org (mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org)
> > [3]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 (http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837)
> > On 2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> > >
> > > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
> > > 11:59:59pm
> > > Pacific time.
> > >
> > > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
> > Nekhaila,
> > > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
> > >
> > > Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market and
> > > therefore
> > > the right of privatization of property as an extension of the
> > > individual;
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian Party
> > > explicitly supports the right to private property ownership,
> > > including
> > > the right to do business utilizing that property as capital;
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the rights of
> > > individuals to own private property including land, structures,
> > > natural
> > > resources and other private space through homesteading,
> > purchase,
> > > and
> > > other lawful libertarian means;
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
> > limited to
> > > land and housing, does not require continual or personal use to
> > > exist
> > > as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
> > Libertarian
> > > Party since its inception;
> > >
> > > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
> > property
> > > ownership schemes, including the collectivization of property,
> > > unlawful
> > > usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
> > private
> > > property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all parties,
> > are
> > > incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
> > >
> > > =============================================
> > >
> > > Important Bylaws note:
> > >
> > > Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
> > >
> > > Article 7:
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions by a
> > ¾
> > > vote
> > > with previous notice or by unanimous consent without previous
> > > notice.
> > >
> > > =============================================
> > >
> > > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes
> > here:
> > > [1][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a
> > link to
> > > the
> > > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that
> > the
> > > manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
> > >
> > > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > > --
> > > In Liberty,
> > > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > -
> > > [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > > We defend your rights
> > > And oppose the use of force
> > > Taxation is theft
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. [5]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > > 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> > - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> > 3. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> > 4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 5. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. tel:919-906-2106
> > 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> --
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>
> --
>
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> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org (mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org) or Secretary at LP.org.
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>
>
>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> We defend your rights
>
> And oppose the use of force
>
> Taxation is theft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I take it as a given that we are all working hard. I find these “let’s
focus on real business” critiques tedious.
I do think we need to worry about a *perception* that we are allotting
too much time to posturing, though.
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
[1]919-906-2106
On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:39 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos> wrote:
My point was that I know for a fact of candidate assistance he is
doing.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:36 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
<[3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I took a quick look at Smith’s fb page and it is indeed almost
all
about this.
Most disturbing in light of all the this-is-not-a-purge talk is
his
featuring of this clearly pro-purge fanmail:
[cid:6F811495-0D5B-4C23-AE16-0AFC39078BD6]
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
[1]919-906-2106
On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:14 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business>
wrote:
I do a weekly fundraising drive for a candidate each week.
If you are going to go to the trouble of counting emails, it
would be
nice if you went to the trouble of finding out things that don’t
fit
your narrative. You could also do the same for Joshua. He can
speak
to his own activities but I know for a fact that you caricature
of him
as only caring about this is woefully incorrect.
By the time my promo schedule is done I will have raised as
much. We
shouldn’t have to highlight our own candidacy efforts by putting
other
people’s efforts down. That is a real issue in this Party.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via
Lnc-business
<[1][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
I oppose socialism, support property rights, and think
syndicalists
(to
use a more precise term for them) are naive, wrong, and
internally
inconsistent. If one of their tiny number is a candidate for
office
in
Michigan, I think it's fair if Michigan sought to expel them or
remove
them from the ballot. If one of them in a position of LNC
authority
espouses views advocating violence or destruction of individual
rights,
I think it's fair to consider censure or removal.
Neither is the case here. This resolution either reaffirms our
platform
- using some odd language that throws Georgists and mutualists
under
the
bus too - or it expands our platform and turns the LNC into a
purity
police of Libertarian beliefs.
Mr. Olsen mentioned real instances of people hesitant about
joining
the
party because of the rise of these syndicalists. That gives me
pause. If
I were talking to such a person, I'd point out our platform as
it
stands
and let them know that the weirdo socialists couldn't even fill
one
Uber, let alone pose any threat to our party. Would such a
person be
more reassured by a "reaffirmed" Platform than the current
Platform?
Are
our SoP and Platform so weak that this group has managed to
shake
the
foundations of our Party?
I encounter people all the time who aren't sure what the
Libertarian
Party stand for because of our various strains of thought and
our
inability to focus on electing candidates. A non-binding
resolution
doesn't fix that. It actually makes it worse - signalling that
we
the
LNC can't keep our eye on electing candidates, or at least on
promoting
Libertarian solutions to the problems of the day.
In the four days, Ms. Harlos has written and sent 68 emails on
this
matter and Mr. Smith has posted 20 Facebook posts on this
matter.
They've decided this is their number one issue and want it to
be the
LNC's number one issue.
If we're looking to demonstrate Libertarian relevance to
voters, I
would
instead suggest one of the following could be our top item for
discussion, action, or marketing this week:
*China announces 25% tariffs on $60 billion worth of U.S.
goods, in
response to President Trump considering higher tariffs on $200
billion
worth of Chinese goods. The total negative effect of enacted
and
announced tariffs in this tariff war is 465,000 lost jobs and
$150
billion less in economic growth.
*The U.S. Senate is poised to approve H.R. 6157, which
increases
Pentagon spending to $675 billion for this upcoming year. While
federal
spending is being boosted, the U.S. Treasury is expected to
borrow
$955
billion this year, up from $519 billion last year.
*$1.7 billion was spent on lobbying in Washington, DC in the
first
six
months of this year, the highest since 2010. There are 9,785
registered
lobbyists in the nation's capital, or 18 for each member of
Congress.
*Electric power was restored to the entire island of Puerto
Rico
today
for the first time since Hurricane Maria hit 328 days ago, a
woeful
testament to the commonwealth's dependence on the federal
government.
*Wildfires continue to devastate northern California,
destroying
thousands of homes and claiming 31 lives. Regulations prohibit
timber
companies from clearing out dense forests and removing an
estimated
129
million dead trees, leaving a tinder box.
*50 schoolchildren on a field trip were killed and 80 were
wounded
in a
Saudi airstrike in northern Yemen that hit their bus last
Thursday.
The
victims were age 6 to 11. U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo, on
the
phone
with the Saudi Crown Prince a few days later, thanked the
Saudis for
their help in Syria and Iraq.
*President Trump revoked the security clearance of one official
who
has
spoken out against him, and fired an FBI official who spoke out
against
him.
*California's Supreme Court struck down San Diego's decision
(approved
by 65% of voters) to put city employees into a 401k retirement
plan
instead of an antiquated and costly defined benefit pension
plan. In
DC,
the WMATA transit agency lost a similar arbitration dispute.
Taxpayers
will have to pick up the tab in both instances.
*Socialist Venezuela today defaulted on another $1.125 billion
in
bonds.
Several dozen opposition figures have been rounded up for
"questioning"
following a drone assassination attempt on Maduro earlier this
month.
*New Zealand banned foreigners from buying property as a way of
"solving" high housing prices. U.S. cities may look at the idea
next.
*North Dakota will vote on marijuana legalization, after LP
activist
Dave Owen and his org LegalizeND got the issue on the ballot
this
week.
*And of course, our many great candidates who need donations,
volunteers, and attention as they work to be elected and
re-elected.
Imagine how much money we could raise for them or activists we
could
get
for them if we were e-mailing 68 times or posting 20 Facebook
posts
about them instead?
Relating to the last point, over the next few days I'm going to
personally donate $68 each - one for each of Ms. Harlos's
emails
about
socialist entryism in the last four days - to ten LP candidates
in
winnable or ballot-access-important races across the country,
and
publicizing it to my network to encourage others to give as
well. If
all
27 of us were to do the same, that's an injection of $18,360
and a
clear
demonstration that this LNC has its priorities in order. If all
27
of us
were to get our networks to do the same, that may make the
difference
between winning and not winning. I welcome anyone joining me in
this
pledge, regardless of how they vote on this resolution.
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
[2][5]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
[3][6]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
> 11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.
>
> Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
Nekhaila,
> Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>
> Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market
and
> therefore
> the right of privatization of property as an extension of
the
> individual;
>
> WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian
Party
> explicitly supports the right to private property
ownership,
> including
> the right to do business utilizing that property as
capital;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the
rights of
> individuals to own private property including land,
structures,
> natural
> resources and other private space through homesteading,
purchase,
> and
> other lawful libertarian means;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
limited to
> land and housing, does not require continual or personal
use to
> exist
> as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
Libertarian
> Party since its inception;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
property
> ownership schemes, including the collectivization of
property,
> unlawful
> usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
private
> property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
parties,
are
> incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>
> =============================================
>
> Important Bylaws note:
>
> Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>
> Article 7:
>
> ***
>
> The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions
by a
¾
> vote
> with previous notice or by unanimous consent without
previous
> notice.
>
> =============================================
>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
votes
here:
> [1][4][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted
with a
link to
> the
> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time
that
the
> manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>
> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
-
> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. [5][8]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[10]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
3. [11]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
4. [12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. [13]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. tel:919-906-2106
2. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. tel:919-906-2106
2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
6. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
11. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
13. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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