[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
brent.olsen at lp.org
brent.olsen at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 18:11:07 EDT 2018
"The numbers thrown around here are a HUGE amount to some people.
Literally the difference between food and housing and none."
Or being in the dog house with the wife, who feels I already spend too
much money on the party... ;)
-Brent
On 2018-08-15 15:07, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> I find the same things tedious. It is activism one-upmanship and
> having classes of activism. The guy who has never knocked on a door
> or
> given to a candidate but toils in other ways is not “lesser” but
> rhetoric can give that impression.
>
> And the focus on simple monetary amounts can shame those who don’t
> have
> that kind of resource.
>
>
>
> The numbers thrown around here are a HUGE amount to some people.
> Literally the difference between food and housing and none.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> I take it as a given that we are all working hard. I find these
> “let’s
> focus on real business” critiques tedious.
> I do think we need to worry about a *perception* that we are
> allotting
> too much time to posturing, though.
> Susan Jane Hogarth
> Region 5 Alternate
> [1]919-906-2106
> On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:39 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos> wrote:
> My point was that I know for a fact of candidate assistance he
> is
> doing.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:36 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
> <[3][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I took a quick look at Smith’s fb page and it is indeed
> almost
> all
> about this.
> Most disturbing in light of all the this-is-not-a-purge
> talk
> is
> his
> featuring of this clearly pro-purge fanmail:
> [cid:6F811495-0D5B-4C23-AE16-0AFC39078BD6]
> Susan Jane Hogarth
> Region 5 Alternate
> [1]919-906-2106
> On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:14 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via
> Lnc-business>
> wrote:
> I do a weekly fundraising drive for a candidate each week.
> If you are going to go to the trouble of counting emails,
> it
> would be
> nice if you went to the trouble of finding out things that
> don’t
> fit
> your narrative. You could also do the same for Joshua.
> He
> can
> speak
> to his own activities but I know for a fact that you
> caricature
> of him
> as only caring about this is woefully incorrect.
> By the time my promo schedule is done I will have raised
> as
> much. We
> shouldn’t have to highlight our own candidacy efforts by
> putting
> other
> people’s efforts down. That is a real issue in this
> Party.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via
> Lnc-business
> <[1][4][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I vote no.
> I oppose socialism, support property rights, and think
> syndicalists
> (to
> use a more precise term for them) are naive, wrong, and
> internally
> inconsistent. If one of their tiny number is a candidate
> for
> office
> in
> Michigan, I think it's fair if Michigan sought to expel
> them or
> remove
> them from the ballot. If one of them in a position of
> LNC
> authority
> espouses views advocating violence or destruction of
> individual
> rights,
> I think it's fair to consider censure or removal.
> Neither is the case here. This resolution either
> reaffirms
> our
> platform
> - using some odd language that throws Georgists and
> mutualists
> under
> the
> bus too - or it expands our platform and turns the LNC
> into a
> purity
> police of Libertarian beliefs.
> Mr. Olsen mentioned real instances of people hesitant
> about
> joining
> the
> party because of the rise of these syndicalists. That
> gives me
> pause. If
> I were talking to such a person, I'd point out our
> platform as
> it
> stands
> and let them know that the weirdo socialists couldn't
> even
> fill
> one
> Uber, let alone pose any threat to our party. Would such
> a
> person be
> more reassured by a "reaffirmed" Platform than the
> current
> Platform?
> Are
> our SoP and Platform so weak that this group has managed
> to
> shake
> the
> foundations of our Party?
> I encounter people all the time who aren't sure what the
> Libertarian
> Party stand for because of our various strains of
> thought
> and
> our
> inability to focus on electing candidates. A non-binding
> resolution
> doesn't fix that. It actually makes it worse -
> signalling
> that
> we
> the
> LNC can't keep our eye on electing candidates, or at
> least
> on
> promoting
> Libertarian solutions to the problems of the day.
> In the four days, Ms. Harlos has written and sent 68
> emails on
> this
> matter and Mr. Smith has posted 20 Facebook posts on
> this
> matter.
> They've decided this is their number one issue and want
> it
> to
> be the
> LNC's number one issue.
> If we're looking to demonstrate Libertarian relevance to
> voters, I
> would
> instead suggest one of the following could be our top
> item
> for
> discussion, action, or marketing this week:
> *China announces 25% tariffs on $60 billion worth of
> U.S.
> goods, in
> response to President Trump considering higher tariffs
> on
> $200
> billion
> worth of Chinese goods. The total negative effect of
> enacted
> and
> announced tariffs in this tariff war is 465,000 lost
> jobs
> and
> $150
> billion less in economic growth.
> *The U.S. Senate is poised to approve H.R. 6157, which
> increases
> Pentagon spending to $675 billion for this upcoming
> year.
> While
> federal
> spending is being boosted, the U.S. Treasury is expected
> to
> borrow
> $955
> billion this year, up from $519 billion last year.
> *$1.7 billion was spent on lobbying in Washington, DC in
> the
> first
> six
> months of this year, the highest since 2010. There are
> 9,785
> registered
> lobbyists in the nation's capital, or 18 for each member
> of
> Congress.
> *Electric power was restored to the entire island of
> Puerto
> Rico
> today
> for the first time since Hurricane Maria hit 328 days
> ago,
> a
> woeful
> testament to the commonwealth's dependence on the
> federal
> government.
> *Wildfires continue to devastate northern California,
> destroying
> thousands of homes and claiming 31 lives. Regulations
> prohibit
> timber
> companies from clearing out dense forests and removing
> an
> estimated
> 129
> million dead trees, leaving a tinder box.
> *50 schoolchildren on a field trip were killed and 80
> were
> wounded
> in a
> Saudi airstrike in northern Yemen that hit their bus
> last
> Thursday.
> The
> victims were age 6 to 11. U.S. Secretary of State
> Pompeo,
> on
> the
> phone
> with the Saudi Crown Prince a few days later, thanked
> the
> Saudis for
> their help in Syria and Iraq.
> *President Trump revoked the security clearance of one
> official
> who
> has
> spoken out against him, and fired an FBI official who
> spoke out
> against
> him.
> *California's Supreme Court struck down San Diego's
> decision
> (approved
> by 65% of voters) to put city employees into a 401k
> retirement
> plan
> instead of an antiquated and costly defined benefit
> pension
> plan. In
> DC,
> the WMATA transit agency lost a similar arbitration
> dispute.
> Taxpayers
> will have to pick up the tab in both instances.
> *Socialist Venezuela today defaulted on another $1.125
> billion
> in
> bonds.
> Several dozen opposition figures have been rounded up
> for
> "questioning"
> following a drone assassination attempt on Maduro
> earlier
> this
> month.
> *New Zealand banned foreigners from buying property as a
> way of
> "solving" high housing prices. U.S. cities may look at
> the
> idea
> next.
> *North Dakota will vote on marijuana legalization, after
> LP
> activist
> Dave Owen and his org LegalizeND got the issue on the
> ballot
> this
> week.
> *And of course, our many great candidates who need
> donations,
> volunteers, and attention as they work to be elected and
> re-elected.
> Imagine how much money we could raise for them or
> activists we
> could
> get
> for them if we were e-mailing 68 times or posting 20
> Facebook
> posts
> about them instead?
> Relating to the last point, over the next few days I'm
> going to
> personally donate $68 each - one for each of Ms.
> Harlos's
> emails
> about
> socialist entryism in the last four days - to ten LP
> candidates
> in
> winnable or ballot-access-important races across the
> country,
> and
> publicizing it to my network to encourage others to give
> as
> well. If
> all
> 27 of us were to do the same, that's an injection of
> $18,360
> and a
> clear
> demonstration that this LNC has its priorities in order.
> If all
> 27
> of us
> were to get our networks to do the same, that may make
> the
> difference
> between winning and not winning. I welcome anyone
> joining
> me in
> this
> pledge, regardless of how they vote on this resolution.
> JBH
> ------------
> Joe Bishop-Henchman
> LNC Member (At-Large)
> [2][5][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> [3][6][5]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> On 2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >
> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22,
> 2018 at
> > 11:59:59pm
> > Pacific time.
> >
> > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth,
> Steven
> Nekhaila,
> > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
> >
> > Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free
> market
> and
> > therefore
> > the right of privatization of property as an
> extension of
> the
> > individual;
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The
> Libertarian
> Party
> > explicitly supports the right to private property
> ownership,
> > including
> > the right to do business utilizing that property as
> capital;
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports
> the
> rights of
> > individuals to own private property including land,
> structures,
> > natural
> > resources and other private space through
> homesteading,
> purchase,
> > and
> > other lawful libertarian means;
> >
> > WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including
> but
> not
> limited to
> > land and housing, does not require continual or
> personal
> use to
> > exist
> > as justly owned property unless otherwise
> abandoned;
> >
> > WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of
> the
> Libertarian
> > Party since its inception;
> >
> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and
> communist
> property
> > ownership schemes, including the collectivization
> of
> property,
> > unlawful
> > usurpation of property, and incorrect
> characterizations of
> private
> > property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by
> all
> parties,
> are
> > incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian
> Party.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > Important Bylaws note:
> >
> > Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
> >
> > Article 7:
> >
> > ***
> >
> > The National Committee may adopt public policy
> resolutions
> by a
> ¾
> > vote
> > with previous notice or by unanimous consent
> without
> previous
> > notice.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally
> of
> votes
> here:
> > [1][4][7][6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes
> are
> noted
> with a
> link to
> > the
> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find
> the
> time
> that
> the
> > manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the
> sheet.
> >
> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National
> Committee
> Secretary
> -
> > [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. [5][8][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[9][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[10][9]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 3. [11][10]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 4. [12][11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. [13][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> References
> 1. tel:919-906-2106
> 2. mailto:[16][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. tel:919-906-2106
> 2. mailto:[14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:[17]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 6. [18]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 7. [19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 8. [20]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 9. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 10. mailto:[22]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 11. [23]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 12. [24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 13. [25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 14. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 15. mailto:[27]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 16. mailto:[28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 17. mailto:[29]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [30]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 5. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 10. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 17. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 18. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 20. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 22. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> 23. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> 24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 25. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 27. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 30. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
More information about the Lnc-business
mailing list