[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION

brent.olsen at lp.org brent.olsen at lp.org
Wed Aug 15 18:11:07 EDT 2018


"The numbers thrown around here are a HUGE amount to some people.  
Literally the difference between food and housing and none."

Or being in the dog house with the wife, who feels I already spend too 
much money on the party...  ;)

-Brent


On 2018-08-15 15:07, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> I find the same things tedious.  It is activism one-upmanship and
>    having classes of activism.  The guy who has never knocked on a door 
> or
>    given to a candidate but toils in other ways is not “lesser” but
>    rhetoric can give that impression.
> 
>    And the focus on simple monetary amounts can shame those who don’t 
> have
>    that kind of resource.
> 
> 
> 
>    The numbers thrown around here are a HUGE amount to some people.
>    Literally the difference between food and housing and none.
> 
>    -Caryn Ann
> 
>    On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>         I take it as a given that we are all working hard. I find these
>      “let’s
>         focus on real business” critiques tedious.
>         I do think we need to worry about a *perception* that we are
>      allotting
>         too much time to posturing, though.
>         Susan Jane Hogarth
>         Region 5 Alternate
>         [1]919-906-2106
>         On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:39 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos> wrote:
>         My point was that I know for a fact of candidate assistance he 
> is
>         doing.
>         -Caryn Ann
>         On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:36 PM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
>         <[3][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>              I took a quick look at Smith’s fb page and it is indeed
>      almost
>           all
>              about this.
>              Most disturbing in light of all the this-is-not-a-purge 
> talk
>      is
>           his
>              featuring of this clearly pro-purge fanmail:
>              [cid:6F811495-0D5B-4C23-AE16-0AFC39078BD6]
>              Susan Jane Hogarth
>              Region 5 Alternate
>              [1]919-906-2106
>              On Aug 15, 2018 at 5:14 PM, <[2]Caryn Ann Harlos via
>           Lnc-business>
>              wrote:
>              I do a weekly fundraising drive for a candidate each week.
>              If you are going to go to the trouble of counting emails, 
> it
>           would be
>              nice if you went to the trouble of finding out things that
>      don’t
>           fit
>              your narrative.  You could also do the same for Joshua.  
> He
>      can
>           speak
>              to his own activities but I know for a fact that you
>      caricature
>           of him
>              as only caring about this is woefully incorrect.
>              By the time my promo schedule is done I will have raised 
> as
>           much.  We
>              shouldn’t have to highlight our own candidacy efforts by
>      putting
>           other
>              people’s efforts down.  That is a real issue in this 
> Party.
>              -Caryn Ann
>              On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:02 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via
>           Lnc-business
>              <[1][4][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>                I vote no.
>                I oppose socialism, support property rights, and think
>           syndicalists
>                (to
>                use a more precise term for them) are naive, wrong, and
>           internally
>                inconsistent. If one of their tiny number is a candidate
>      for
>           office
>                in
>                Michigan, I think it's fair if Michigan sought to expel
>      them or
>                remove
>                them from the ballot. If one of them in a position of 
> LNC
>           authority
>                espouses views advocating violence or destruction of
>      individual
>                rights,
>                I think it's fair to consider censure or removal.
>                Neither is the case here. This resolution either 
> reaffirms
>      our
>                platform
>                - using some odd language that throws Georgists and
>      mutualists
>           under
>                the
>                bus too - or it expands our platform and turns the LNC
>      into a
>           purity
>                police of Libertarian beliefs.
>                Mr. Olsen mentioned real instances of people hesitant
>      about
>           joining
>                the
>                party because of the rise of these syndicalists. That
>      gives me
>                pause. If
>                I were talking to such a person, I'd point out our
>      platform as
>           it
>                stands
>                and let them know that the weirdo socialists couldn't 
> even
>      fill
>           one
>                Uber, let alone pose any threat to our party. Would such 
> a
>           person be
>                more reassured by a "reaffirmed" Platform than the 
> current
>           Platform?
>                Are
>                our SoP and Platform so weak that this group has managed
>      to
>           shake
>                the
>                foundations of our Party?
>                I encounter people all the time who aren't sure what the
>           Libertarian
>                Party stand for because of our various strains of 
> thought
>      and
>           our
>                inability to focus on electing candidates. A non-binding
>           resolution
>                doesn't fix that. It actually makes it worse - 
> signalling
>      that
>           we
>                the
>                LNC can't keep our eye on electing candidates, or at 
> least
>      on
>                promoting
>                Libertarian solutions to the problems of the day.
>                In the four days, Ms. Harlos has written and sent 68
>      emails on
>           this
>                matter and Mr. Smith has posted 20 Facebook posts on 
> this
>           matter.
>                They've decided this is their number one issue and want 
> it
>      to
>           be the
>                LNC's number one issue.
>                If we're looking to demonstrate Libertarian relevance to
>           voters, I
>                would
>                instead suggest one of the following could be our top 
> item
>      for
>                discussion, action, or marketing this week:
>                *China announces 25% tariffs on $60 billion worth of 
> U.S.
>           goods, in
>                response to President Trump considering higher tariffs 
> on
>      $200
>                billion
>                worth of Chinese goods. The total negative effect of
>      enacted
>           and
>                announced tariffs in this tariff war is 465,000 lost 
> jobs
>      and
>           $150
>                billion less in economic growth.
>                *The U.S. Senate is poised to approve H.R. 6157, which
>           increases
>                Pentagon spending to $675 billion for this upcoming 
> year.
>      While
>                federal
>                spending is being boosted, the U.S. Treasury is expected
>      to
>           borrow
>                $955
>                billion this year, up from $519 billion last year.
>                *$1.7 billion was spent on lobbying in Washington, DC in
>      the
>           first
>                six
>                months of this year, the highest since 2010. There are
>      9,785
>                registered
>                lobbyists in the nation's capital, or 18 for each member
>      of
>                Congress.
>                *Electric power was restored to the entire island of
>      Puerto
>           Rico
>                today
>                for the first time since Hurricane Maria hit 328 days 
> ago,
>      a
>           woeful
>                testament to the commonwealth's dependence on the 
> federal
>                government.
>                *Wildfires continue to devastate northern California,
>           destroying
>                thousands of homes and claiming 31 lives. Regulations
>      prohibit
>                timber
>                companies from clearing out dense forests and removing 
> an
>           estimated
>                129
>                million dead trees, leaving a tinder box.
>                *50 schoolchildren on a field trip were killed and 80 
> were
>           wounded
>                in a
>                Saudi airstrike in northern Yemen that hit their bus 
> last
>           Thursday.
>                The
>                victims were age 6 to 11. U.S. Secretary of State 
> Pompeo,
>      on
>           the
>                phone
>                with the Saudi Crown Prince a few days later, thanked 
> the
>           Saudis for
>                their help in Syria and Iraq.
>                *President Trump revoked the security clearance of one
>      official
>           who
>                has
>                spoken out against him, and fired an FBI official who
>      spoke out
>                against
>                him.
>                *California's Supreme Court struck down San Diego's
>      decision
>                (approved
>                by 65% of voters) to put city employees into a 401k
>      retirement
>           plan
>                instead of an antiquated and costly defined benefit
>      pension
>           plan. In
>                DC,
>                the WMATA transit agency lost a similar arbitration
>      dispute.
>                Taxpayers
>                will have to pick up the tab in both instances.
>                *Socialist Venezuela today defaulted on another $1.125
>      billion
>           in
>                bonds.
>                Several dozen opposition figures have been rounded up 
> for
>                "questioning"
>                following a drone assassination attempt on Maduro 
> earlier
>      this
>                month.
>                *New Zealand banned foreigners from buying property as a
>      way of
>                "solving" high housing prices. U.S. cities may look at 
> the
>      idea
>                next.
>                *North Dakota will vote on marijuana legalization, after
>      LP
>           activist
>                Dave Owen and his org LegalizeND got the issue on the
>      ballot
>           this
>                week.
>                *And of course, our many great candidates who need
>      donations,
>                volunteers, and attention as they work to be elected and
>           re-elected.
>                Imagine how much money we could raise for them or
>      activists we
>           could
>                get
>                for them if we were e-mailing 68 times or posting 20
>      Facebook
>           posts
>                about them instead?
>                Relating to the last point, over the next few days I'm
>      going to
>                personally donate $68 each - one for each of Ms. 
> Harlos's
>           emails
>                about
>                socialist entryism in the last four days - to ten LP
>      candidates
>           in
>                winnable or ballot-access-important races across the
>      country,
>           and
>                publicizing it to my network to encourage others to give
>      as
>           well. If
>                all
>                27 of us were to do the same, that's an injection of
>      $18,360
>           and a
>                clear
>                demonstration that this LNC has its priorities in order.
>      If all
>           27
>                of us
>                were to get our networks to do the same, that may make 
> the
>                difference
>                between winning and not winning. I welcome anyone 
> joining
>      me in
>           this
>                pledge, regardless of how they vote on this resolution.
>                JBH
>                ------------
>                Joe Bishop-Henchman
>                LNC Member (At-Large)
>                [2][5][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>                [3][6][5]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>                On 2018-08-15 05:56, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>      wrote:
>                > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>                >
>                >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22,
>      2018 at
>                > 11:59:59pm
>                >    Pacific time.
>                >
>                >    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth,
>      Steven
>                Nekhaila,
>                >    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>                >
>                >    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>                >
>                >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free
>      market
>           and
>                > therefore
>                >    the right of privatization of property as an
>      extension of
>           the
>                >    individual;
>                >
>                >    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The
>      Libertarian
>           Party
>                >    explicitly supports the right to private property
>           ownership,
>                > including
>                >    the right to do business utilizing that property as
>           capital;
>                >
>                >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports 
> the
>           rights of
>                >    individuals to own private property including land,
>           structures,
>                > natural
>                >    resources and other private space through
>      homesteading,
>                purchase,
>                > and
>                >    other lawful libertarian means;
>                >
>                >    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including 
> but
>      not
>                limited to
>                >    land and housing, does not require continual or
>      personal
>           use to
>                > exist
>                >    as justly owned property unless otherwise 
> abandoned;
>                >
>                >    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of
>      the
>                Libertarian
>                >    Party since its inception;
>                >
>                >    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and
>      communist
>                property
>                >    ownership schemes, including the collectivization 
> of
>           property,
>                > unlawful
>                >    usurpation of property, and incorrect
>      characterizations of
>                private
>                >    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by 
> all
>           parties,
>                are
>                >    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian
>      Party.
>                >
>                >    =============================================
>                >
>                >    Important Bylaws note:
>                >
>                >    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>                >
>                >    Article 7:
>                >
>                >    ***
>                >
>                >    The National Committee may adopt public policy
>      resolutions
>           by a
>                ¾
>                > vote
>                >    with previous notice or by unanimous consent 
> without
>           previous
>                > notice.
>                >
>                >    =============================================
>                >
>                >    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally 
> of
>           votes
>                here:
>                >    [1][4][7][6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes 
> are
>      noted
>           with a
>                link to
>                > the
>                >    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find 
> the
>      time
>           that
>                the
>                >    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the
>      sheet.
>                >
>                >    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>                >    --
>                >    In Liberty,
>                >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>                >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National 
> Committee
>           Secretary
>                -
>                >    [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>                >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>           LPedia at LP.org
>                >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>                >    We defend your rights
>                >    And oppose the use of force
>                >    Taxation is theft
>                >
>                > References
>                >
>                >    1. [5][8][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>                >    2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>              --
>              --
>              In Liberty,
>              Caryn Ann Harlos
>              Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>      Secretary
>              - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>              Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - 
> LPedia at LP.org
>              A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>              We defend your rights
>              And oppose the use of force
>              Taxation is theft
>           References
>              1. mailto:[9][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>              2. mailto:[10][9]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>              3. [11][10]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>              4. [12][11]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>              5. [13][12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>              6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>              7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>           References
>              1. tel:919-906-2106
>              2. mailto:[16][13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         --
>         --
>         In Liberty,
>         Caryn Ann Harlos
>         Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>         - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>         Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>         A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>         We defend your rights
>         And oppose the use of force
>         Taxation is theft
>      References
>         1. tel:919-906-2106
>         2. mailto:[14]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>         3. mailto:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         4. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         5. mailto:[17]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>         6. [18]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>         7. [19]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         8. [20]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         9. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        10. mailto:[22]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>        11. [23]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>        12. [24]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        13. [25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>        14. mailto:[26]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>        15. mailto:[27]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>        16. mailto:[28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>        17. mailto:[29]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 
>    --
> 
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [30]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
> 
> References
> 
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>    5. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>    6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    9. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   10. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   11. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   14. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>   15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   17. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   18. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   19. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   20. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   22. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>   23. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>   24. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   25. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   26. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   27. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   30. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org




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