[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION

Richard Longstreth richard.longstreth at lp.org
Thu Aug 16 09:36:15 EDT 2018


Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that is not what I said at all.
If someone believes in property rights and supports the resolution, I'm not
sure why they would vote against it. Simple as that. Waste of time or not,
it is a resolution before us and one that either you support or do not. If
you think it is a waste of time, discourage similar resolutions in the
future. This is balloted, however, and must be voted on. You (collective
sense) either agree with it or you do not. There is no in between.

Richard

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

>    Asking questions is not rude.  Insisting he doesn’t is.
>    -Caryn Ann
>    On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
>    <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>         Please stop this. It is -incredibly- rude and destructive.
>         I don’t know what’s worse - the people saying that the supporters
>      of
>         this resolution are calling for a purge, or the people saying
>      that
>         those who oppose it don’t support the Party’s principles.
>         A resolution may sound like a straightforward declaration of
>      principle,
>         but they are always issued for strategic reasons. The fact that
>      some
>         people disagree with your strategy does not mean they oppose your
>         principles or indeed even goals. It’s very destructive to behave
>      as if
>         they do.
>         Give the reasons for your preferred strategy. Argue passionately
>      for
>         it. But stop accusing your allies of being your enemies.
>         Susan Jane Hogarth
>         Region 5 Alternate
>         [1]919-906-2106 <(919)%20906-2106>
>         On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via
>      Lnc-business>
>         wrote:
>         But not enough to vote in favor of affirming them? I'm
>      confused...
>         Richard
>         On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
>         <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>           I vote No.
>           The LP Platform and Statement of Principles clearly illustrate
>      our
>           position on Property Rights and I fully support them.
>           ---
>           Sam Goldstein
>           Libertarian National Committee
>           317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Cell
>           On 2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>           > BALLOT CORRECTION:  Expiration date is AUGUST 22, 2018.
>           >    My mind has been left in July.  September will really
>      throw it
>           for a
>           >    loop.
>           >
>           >    On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>           >    <[1][2][3]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>           >
>           >    We have an electronic mail ballot.
>           >
>           >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22, 2018 at
>           > 11:59:59pm
>           >    Pacific time.
>           >
>           >    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth, Steven
>           Nekhaila,
>           >    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>           >
>           >    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>           >
>           >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free market
>      and
>           > therefore
>           >    the right of privatization of property as an extension of
>      the
>           >    individual;
>           >
>           >    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The Libertarian
>      Party
>           >    explicitly supports the right to private property
>      ownership,
>           > including
>           >    the right to do business utilizing that property as
>      capital;
>           >
>           >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the
>      rights of
>           >    individuals to own private property including land,
>      structures,
>           > natural
>           >    resources and other private space through homesteading,
>           purchase,
>           > and
>           >    other lawful libertarian means;
>           >
>           >    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but not
>           limited to
>           >    land and housing, does not require continual or personal
>      use to
>           > exist
>           >    as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>           >
>           >    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of the
>           Libertarian
>           >    Party since its inception;
>           >
>           >    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and communist
>           property
>           >    ownership schemes, including the collectivization of
>      property,
>           > unlawful
>           >    usurpation of property, and incorrect characterizations of
>           private
>           >    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
>      parties,
>           are
>           >    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian Party.
>           >
>           >    =============================================
>           >
>           >    Important Bylaws note:
>           >
>           >    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>           >
>           >    Article 7:
>           >
>           >    ***
>           >
>           >    The National Committee may adopt public policy resolutions
>      by a
>           ¾
>           > vote
>           >    with previous notice or by unanimous consent without
>      previous
>           > notice.
>           >
>           >    =============================================
>           >
>           >    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
>      votes
>           here:
>           >    [2][3][4]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are noted
>      with a
>           link to
>           > the
>           >    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time
>      that
>           the
>           >    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>           >
>           >    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>           >    --
>           >    In Liberty,
>           >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>           >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>      Secretary
>           -
>           >    [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>           >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>      LPedia at LP.org
>           >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>           >    We defend your rights
>           >    And oppose the use of force
>           >    Taxation is theft
>           >
>           >    --
>           >    In Liberty,
>           >    Caryn Ann Harlos
>           >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>      Secretary
>           -
>           >    [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>           >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>      LPedia at LP.org
>           >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>           >    We defend your rights
>           >    And oppose the use of force
>           >    Taxation is theft
>           >
>           > References
>           >
>           >    1. mailto:[4][5]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>           >    2. [5][6]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>           >    3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>           >    4. mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         --
>         Richard Longstreth
>         Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
>      WY)
>         Libertarian National Committee
>         [8][7]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>         931.538.9300 <(931)%20538-9300>
>      References
>         1. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>         2. mailto:[9]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>         3. [10]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         4. mailto:[11]carynannharlos at gmail.com
>         5. [12]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>         6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         7. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>         8. mailto:[15]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>      References
>         1. tel:919-906-2106 <(919)%20906-2106>
>         2. mailto:[16]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
>    --
>
>    --
>    In Liberty,
>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>    - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>    We defend your rights
>    And oppose the use of force
>    Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    3. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
>    4. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    5. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
>    6. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>    7. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>    8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>    9. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
>   10. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   11. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
>   12. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
>   13. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>   15. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>   16. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>   17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
-- 
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
-------------- next part --------------
   Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that is not what I said at
   all. If someone believes in property rights and supports the
   resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote against it. Simple as
   that. Waste of time or not, it is a resolution before us and one that
   either you support or do not. If you think it is a waste of time,
   discourage similar resolutions in the future. This is balloted,
   however, and must be voted on. You (collective sense) either agree with
   it or you do not. There is no in between.
   Richard

   On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
   <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

        Asking questions is not rude.  Insisting he doesn’t is.
        -Caryn Ann
        On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
        <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
             Please stop this. It is -incredibly- rude and destructive.
             I don’t know what’s worse - the people saying that the
     supporters
          of
             this resolution are calling for a purge, or the people
     saying
          that
             those who oppose it don’t support the Party’s principles.
             A resolution may sound like a straightforward declaration of
          principle,
             but they are always issued for strategic reasons. The fact
     that
          some
             people disagree with your strategy does not mean they oppose
     your
             principles or indeed even goals. It’s very destructive to
     behave
          as if
             they do.
             Give the reasons for your preferred strategy. Argue
     passionately
          for
             it. But stop accusing your allies of being your enemies.
             Susan Jane Hogarth
             Region 5 Alternate
             [3][1]919-906-2106
             On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via
          Lnc-business>
             wrote:
             But not enough to vote in favor of affirming them? I'm
          confused...
             Richard
             On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
             <[1][2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
               I vote No.
               The LP Platform and Statement of Principles clearly
     illustrate
          our
               position on Property Rights and I fully support them.
               ---
               Sam Goldstein
               Libertarian National Committee
               [5]317-850-0726 Cell
               On 2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
     wrote:
               > BALLOT CORRECTION:  Expiration date is AUGUST 22, 2018.
               >    My mind has been left in July.  September will really
          throw it
               for a
               >    loop.
               >
               >    On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
               >    <[1][2][3][6]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
               >
               >    We have an electronic mail ballot.
               >
               >    Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22,
     2018 at
               > 11:59:59pm
               >    Pacific time.
               >
               >    Co-Sponsors:  Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth,
     Steven
               Nekhaila,
               >    Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
               >
               >    Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
               >
               >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free
     market
          and
               > therefore
               >    the right of privatization of property as an
     extension of
          the
               >    individual;
               >
               >    WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The
     Libertarian
          Party
               >    explicitly supports the right to private property
          ownership,
               > including
               >    the right to do business utilizing that property as
          capital;
               >
               >    WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the
          rights of
               >    individuals to own private property including land,
          structures,
               > natural
               >    resources and other private space through
     homesteading,
               purchase,
               > and
               >    other lawful libertarian means;
               >
               >    WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but
     not
               limited to
               >    land and housing, does not require continual or
     personal
          use to
               > exist
               >    as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
               >
               >    WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of
     the
               Libertarian
               >    Party since its inception;
               >
               >    THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and
     communist
               property
               >    ownership schemes, including the collectivization of
          property,
               > unlawful
               >    usurpation of property, and incorrect
     characterizations of
               private
               >    property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
          parties,
               are
               >    incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian
     Party.
               >
               >    =============================================
               >
               >    Important Bylaws note:
               >
               >    Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
               >
               >    Article 7:
               >
               >    ***
               >
               >    The National Committee may adopt public policy
     resolutions
          by a
               ¾
               > vote
               >    with previous notice or by unanimous consent without
          previous
               > notice.
               >
               >    =============================================
               >
               >    You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
          votes
               here:
               >    [2][3][4][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting.  Votes are
     noted
          with a
               link to
               > the
               >    actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the
     time
          that
               the
               >    manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the
     sheet.
               >
               >    Please notify me of any discrepancies.
               >    --
               >    In Liberty,
               >    Caryn Ann Harlos
               >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
          Secretary
               -
               >    [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
               >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
          LPedia at LP.org
               >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
               >    We defend your rights
               >    And oppose the use of force
               >    Taxation is theft
               >
               >    --
               >    In Liberty,
               >    Caryn Ann Harlos
               >    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
          Secretary
               -
               >    [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
               >    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
          LPedia at LP.org
               >    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
               >    We defend your rights
               >    And oppose the use of force
               >    Taxation is theft
               >
               > References
               >
               >    1. mailto:[4][5][8]carynannharlos at gmail.com
               >    2. [5][6][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
               >    3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
               >    4. mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             --
             Richard Longstreth
             Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
     WA,
          WY)
             Libertarian National Committee
             [8][7][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
             [11]931.538.9300
          References
             1. mailto:[8][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
             2. mailto:[9][13]carynannharlos at gmail.com
             3. [10][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
             4. mailto:[11][15]carynannharlos at gmail.com
             5. [12][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
             6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             7. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
             8. mailto:[15][17]richard.longstreth at lp.org
          References
             1. tel:[18]919-906-2106
             2. mailto:[16][19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        --
        --
        In Liberty,
        Caryn Ann Harlos
        Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
        - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
        Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
        A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
        We defend your rights
        And oppose the use of force
        Taxation is theft
     References
        1. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        2. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        3. mailto:[22]carynannharlos at gmail.com
        4. [23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
        5. mailto:[24]carynannharlos at gmail.com
        6. [25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
        7. mailto:[26]richard.longstreth at lp.org
        8. mailto:[27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
        9. mailto:[28]carynannharlos at gmail.com
       10. [29]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
       11. mailto:[30]carynannharlos at gmail.com
       12. [31]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
       13. mailto:[32]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
       14. mailto:[33]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
       15. mailto:[34]richard.longstreth at lp.org
       16. mailto:[35]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
       17. mailto:[36]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org

   --

   Richard Longstreth
   Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
   Libertarian National Committee
   [37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
   931.538.9300

References

   1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   3. tel:(919) 906-2106
   4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
   5. tel:(317) 850-0726
   6. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
   8. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
   9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  10. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
  11. tel:(931) 538-9300
  12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  13. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
  14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  15. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
  16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  17. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
  18. tel:(919) 906-2106
  19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  22. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
  23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  24. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
  25. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  26. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
  27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  28. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
  29. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  30. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
  31. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
  32. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  34. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
  35. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
  36. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
  37. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org


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