[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-22: PROPERTY RIGHTS RESOLUTION
Steven Nekhaila
steven.nekhaila at lp.org
Thu Aug 16 10:28:03 EDT 2018
Dear Colleagues,
I would like to remind everyone to please focus on the resolution itself, we are voting on a very specifi set of text and nothing outside of that will be relevant once the votes are tallied.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
> On Aug 16, 2018 at 9:36 AM, <Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business (mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org)> wrote:
>
>
>
> Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that is not what I said at
> all. If someone believes in property rights and supports the
> resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote against it. Simple as
> that. Waste of time or not, it is a resolution before us and one that
> either you support or do not. If you think it is a waste of time,
> discourage similar resolutions in the future. This is balloted,
> however, and must be voted on. You (collective sense) either agree with
> it or you do not. There is no in between.
> Richard
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Asking questions is not rude. Insisting he doesn’t is.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
> <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Please stop this. It is -incredibly- rude and destructive.
> I don’t know what’s worse - the people saying that the
> supporters
> of
> this resolution are calling for a purge, or the people
> saying
> that
> those who oppose it don’t support the Party’s principles.
> A resolution may sound like a straightforward declaration of
> principle,
> but they are always issued for strategic reasons. The fact
> that
> some
> people disagree with your strategy does not mean they oppose
> your
> principles or indeed even goals. It’s very destructive to
> behave
> as if
> they do.
> Give the reasons for your preferred strategy. Argue
> passionately
> for
> it. But stop accusing your allies of being your enemies.
> Susan Jane Hogarth
> Region 5 Alternate
> [3][1]919-906-2106
> On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via
> Lnc-business>
> wrote:
> But not enough to vote in favor of affirming them? I'm
> confused...
> Richard
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
> <[1][2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I vote No.
> The LP Platform and Statement of Principles clearly
> illustrate
> our
> position on Property Rights and I fully support them.
> ---
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> [5]317-850-0726 Cell
> On 2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> > BALLOT CORRECTION: Expiration date is AUGUST 22, 2018.
> > My mind has been left in July. September will really
> throw it
> for a
> > loop.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1][2][3][6]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >
> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22,
> 2018 at
> > 11:59:59pm
> > Pacific time.
> >
> > Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth,
> Steven
> Nekhaila,
> > Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
> >
> > Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free
> market
> and
> > therefore
> > the right of privatization of property as an
> extension of
> the
> > individual;
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The
> Libertarian
> Party
> > explicitly supports the right to private property
> ownership,
> > including
> > the right to do business utilizing that property as
> capital;
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the
> rights of
> > individuals to own private property including land,
> structures,
> > natural
> > resources and other private space through
> homesteading,
> purchase,
> > and
> > other lawful libertarian means;
> >
> > WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but
> not
> limited to
> > land and housing, does not require continual or
> personal
> use to
> > exist
> > as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
> >
> > WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of
> the
> Libertarian
> > Party since its inception;
> >
> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and
> communist
> property
> > ownership schemes, including the collectivization of
> property,
> > unlawful
> > usurpation of property, and incorrect
> characterizations of
> private
> > property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
> parties,
> are
> > incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian
> Party.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > Important Bylaws note:
> >
> > Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
> >
> > Article 7:
> >
> > ***
> >
> > The National Committee may adopt public policy
> resolutions
> by a
> ¾
> > vote
> > with previous notice or by unanimous consent without
> previous
> > notice.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
> votes
> here:
> > [2][3][4][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are
> noted
> with a
> link to
> > the
> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the
> time
> that
> the
> > manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the
> sheet.
> >
> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> -
> > [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary
> -
> > [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
> LPedia at LP.org
> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> > We defend your rights
> > And oppose the use of force
> > Taxation is theft
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[4][5][8]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > 2. [5][6][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> > 3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 4. mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
> WA,
> WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [8][7][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [11]931.538.9300
> References
> 1. mailto:[8][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[9][13]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 3. [10][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 4. mailto:[11][15]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 5. [12][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 7. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 8. mailto:[15][17]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> References
> 1. tel:[18]919-906-2106
> 2. mailto:[16][19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> --
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
> References
> 1. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. mailto:[22]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 4. [23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 5. mailto:[24]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 6. [25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 7. mailto:[26]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 9. mailto:[28]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 10. [29]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 11. mailto:[30]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 12. [31]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 13. mailto:[32]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 14. mailto:[33]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 15. mailto:[34]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 16. mailto:[35]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 17. mailto:[36]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
> --
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> [37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 3. tel:(919) 906-2106
> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. tel:(317) 850-0726
> 6. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 8. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 10. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 11. tel:(931) 538-9300
> 12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 13. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 15. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 17. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 18. tel:(919) 906-2106
> 19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 22. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 24. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 25. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 26. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 28. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 29. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 30. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 31. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 32. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 34. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 35. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 36. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 37. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
>
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Dear Colleagues,
I would like to remind everyone to please focus on the resolution
itself, we are voting on a very specifi set of text and nothing outside
of that will be relevant once the votes are tallied.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
“Those without power cannot defend freedom”
On Aug 16, 2018 at 9:36 AM, <[1]Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business>
wrote:
Susan, if you are referring to my comment, that is not what I said at
all. If someone believes in property rights and supports the
resolution, I'm not sure why they would vote against it. Simple as
that. Waste of time or not, it is a resolution before us and one that
either you support or do not. If you think it is a waste of time,
discourage similar resolutions in the future. This is balloted,
however, and must be voted on. You (collective sense) either agree with
it or you do not. There is no in between.
Richard
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:30 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Asking questions is not rude. Insisting he doesn’t is.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:23 AM Susan Hogarth via Lnc-business
<[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Please stop this. It is -incredibly- rude and destructive.
I don’t know what’s worse - the people saying that the
supporters
of
this resolution are calling for a purge, or the people
saying
that
those who oppose it don’t support the Party’s principles.
A resolution may sound like a straightforward declaration of
principle,
but they are always issued for strategic reasons. The fact
that
some
people disagree with your strategy does not mean they oppose
your
principles or indeed even goals. It’s very destructive to
behave
as if
they do.
Give the reasons for your preferred strategy. Argue
passionately
for
it. But stop accusing your allies of being your enemies.
Susan Jane Hogarth
Region 5 Alternate
[3][1]919-906-2106
On Aug 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM, <[2]Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business>
wrote:
But not enough to vote in favor of affirming them? I'm
confused...
Richard
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 22:58 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business
<[1][2][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote No.
The LP Platform and Statement of Principles clearly
illustrate
our
position on Property Rights and I fully support them.
---
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
[5]317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-08-15 06:23, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
> BALLOT CORRECTION: Expiration date is AUGUST 22, 2018.
> My mind has been left in July. September will really
throw it
for a
> loop.
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1][2][3][6]carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 22,
2018 at
> 11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.
>
> Co-Sponsors: Caryn Ann Harlos, Richard Longstreth,
Steven
Nekhaila,
> Justin O’Donnell, Joshua Smith
>
> Motion: Move to adopt the following resolution:
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party supports the free
market
and
> therefore
> the right of privatization of property as an
extension of
the
> individual;
>
> WHEREAS, the Statement of Principles of The
Libertarian
Party
> explicitly supports the right to private property
ownership,
> including
> the right to do business utilizing that property as
capital;
>
> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party strongly supports the
rights of
> individuals to own private property including land,
structures,
> natural
> resources and other private space through
homesteading,
purchase,
> and
> other lawful libertarian means;
>
> WHEREAS, ownership of private property, including but
not
limited to
> land and housing, does not require continual or
personal
use to
> exist
> as justly owned property unless otherwise abandoned;
>
> WHEREAS, these have been part of the principles of
the
Libertarian
> Party since its inception;
>
> THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that socialist and
communist
property
> ownership schemes, including the collectivization of
property,
> unlawful
> usurpation of property, and incorrect
characterizations of
private
> property, unless otherwise voluntarily agreed by all
parties,
are
> incompatible with the philosophy of the Libertarian
Party.
>
> =============================================
>
> Important Bylaws note:
>
> Resolutions require passage by 3/4 vote as follows:
>
> Article 7:
>
> ***
>
> The National Committee may adopt public policy
resolutions
by a
¾
> vote
> with previous notice or by unanimous consent without
previous
> notice.
>
> =============================================
>
> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of
votes
here:
> [2][3][4][7]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are
noted
with a
link to
> the
> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the
time
that
the
> manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the
sheet.
>
> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
-
> [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
-
> [4]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[4][5][8]carynannharlos at gmail.com
> 2. [5][6][9]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
> 3. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 4. mailto:[7]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA,
WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[8][7][10]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[11]931.538.9300
References
1. mailto:[8][12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[9][13]carynannharlos at gmail.com
3. [10][14]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
4. mailto:[11][15]carynannharlos at gmail.com
5. [12][16]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
6. mailto:[13]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
8. mailto:[15][17]richard.longstreth at lp.org
References
1. tel:[18]919-906-2106
2. mailto:[16][19]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[20]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[21]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:[22]carynannharlos at gmail.com
4. [23]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
5. mailto:[24]carynannharlos at gmail.com
6. [25]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
7. mailto:[26]richard.longstreth at lp.org
8. mailto:[27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[28]carynannharlos at gmail.com
10. [29]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
11. mailto:[30]carynannharlos at gmail.com
12. [31]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
13. mailto:[32]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
14. mailto:[33]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:[34]richard.longstreth at lp.org
16. mailto:[35]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
17. mailto:[36]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[37]richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. tel:(919) 906-2106
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. tel:(317) 850-0726
6. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
7. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
8. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
9. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
10. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
11. tel:(931) 538-9300
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
14. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
15. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
16. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
17. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
18. tel:(919) 906-2106
19. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
20. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
21. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
22. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
23. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
24. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
25. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
26. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
28. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
29. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
30. mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com
31. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting
32. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
34. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
35. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
36. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
37. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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