[Lnc-business] the FB group
john.phillips at lp.org
john.phillips at lp.org
Sat Aug 18 13:12:47 EDT 2018
I agree as well. I actually mentioned this option a couple weeks ago. They are extremely customizable, easy to navigate, threads don't break do to some doofus's wierd email *blushes*, settings for email notifications, and are often available as freeware.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-businessDate: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:05 PMTo: Richard Longstreth;Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business at hq.lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] the FB group
I agree.
I managed a vbulletin forum for over a decade.
And members can get email notification or digests - just like this.
Richard, I’ll take the lead on this and get volunteers to set up a proof of
concept.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:37 AM Richard Longstreth <
richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> All, I again suggest a php forum if anyone knows anything about getting
> one setup or knows someone who doea. We would each have an account and it
> would be open for anyone to view even if they are not a member. A member is
> defined as someone who can post and interact in the group. Further on phone
> forums you can set access levels so if there was say some reason for
> executive session discussion that we did not want public (for a variety of
> reasons - legal for example) we could restrict viewing access to just that
> area.
>
> I'm talking basic early 2000s web programs here.
>
> I don't mind assisting and or doing research to figure it out but I have
> tried to set these thing up in the past and it is beyond my skillset. I get
> lost once individual profiles need to be made - I can only do basic web
> design. If want to stick with email, ok, however it is clunky and difficult
> to capture the true flow of conversation sometimes.
>
> I strongly believe forums, php or otherwise, might be a really, really
> good option for us. Old fashioned, sure but effective. Forums literally
> emerged in order to help organizations not email so much and to help
> facilitate easily viewable discussion. We should all be somewhat familiar
> with how they work already as well which is another plus.
>
> Richard
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 05:55 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Brent, you are my spirit animal. I love you man.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> PS: I counted them. It wasn't 68. It was in the 40s because I
>> interact with each person's comments. Do people post to the list not to
>> get a response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have that
>> many emails when someone is very very active in a group of 17 people.
>> I am not going to force anyone to conform to my communication style
>> which I tried last term which was I used to rail on the fact that some
>> people don't participate at all. I stopped doing it when I realized
>> what I was doing; trying to make people in my image. I ask the same
>> courtesy. And like it or not, dealing with this email list is part of
>> the job. If we met more often, there would be less emails. As I say
>> periodically, the fact that we do not meet monthly is ridiculous to me.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of diverse
>> people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your
>> communication style. I have to tell you that I have zero intention of
>> changing my practice so if you think the sarcastic method built
>> understanding or cooperation. It didn't. It only built resentment.
>> So perhaps we can start over?
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <[3]brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever way
>> people want to communicate, as long as it is respectful. I try to
>> be respectful, but when I see people becoming disrespectful it gets
>> hard.... Though I still try.
>> I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the snarky
>> emails from Sam Goldstein. I don't mind the well-thought and
>> generally diplomatic emails from Alex Merced or Joe
>> Bishop-Henchman. I get annoyed, however, with the constant
>> belittling and berating from some on this list towards others. I
>> sure would love to see everyone working together in a generally
>> civil manner. I hope as we get to know each other in person at LNC
>> meetings the manner in which we interact online changes. Because the
>> lack of tolerance I see for like-minded individuals in this group is
>> barely tolerable for me. Sure, I may not want to be tolerant to
>> Libertarians running for office expressing support for the use of
>> force to usurp property from property owners, and I feel our body
>> (or preferably our Chair) should make a statement against such
>> things (especially when aid candidate is going to do interviews on
>> RT or other media networks), just as I would expect my Chair (or
>> this body) to make a statement against a Libertarian candidate
>> supporting a eugenics program.... But, in general, I am usually
>> pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be tolerant. But sometimes I
>> wonder.... Just my two cents...
>> In Liberty,
>> K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
>> Alternate, Region 4
>> On 2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to be
>> tolerant of that. It is demeaning to be singled out- just
>> consider
>> that, that’s all I ask.
>> Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care for. But
>> I try
>> hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if it is
>> not my
>> thing.
>> Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely to
>> adjust
>> habits when they feel respected because they then like the
>> requester
>> which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way to
>> accommodate other people.
>> Your way is not my way. My way is not your way. And that’s
>> okay.
>> I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
>> Hey hey.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> -Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> <[1][4]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>> Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four days
>> saying
>> the
>> same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond to
>> every.
>> single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the challenge
>> for
>> truth,
>> justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
>> I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's
>> important
>> but
>> not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they write
>> emails,
>> with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to get
>> my
>> word
>> in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not hearing
>> what
>> they're trying to say.
>> JBH
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>
> [2][5]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> [3][6]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> On 2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
>> > If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting met by
>> email
>> > tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly viewable
>> group
>> for
>> > anyone who needs to workshop something.
>> > This is now a step backwards in transparency since people
>> will
>> go
>> > back
>> > to personal discussions. It’s really unfortunate.
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
>> Chair)
>> via
>>
>> > Lnc-business <[1][4][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > My intention was to try to facilitate working on business
>> but
>> that
>> > seems to have been the result, I apologize for not helping.
>> I
>> will
>> > delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I
>> wanted
>> feed
>> > back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is not
>> worth
>> this
>> > level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
>> > I was totally fine with making it open which I was planning
>> to do
>> > when I got home from work but all this back and forth I’m
>> seeing
>> > is
>> > not worth it when my intention was the opposite so I’ll be
>> > deleting
>> > the group. I figured another outlet could of been great way
>> to
>> > facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
>> transparent
>> > was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on the
>> same
>> > page.
>> > I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off the
>> list I
>> > ask
>> > that you keep me informed so I can help and give feedback
>> but
>> I’m
>> > at
>> > least for the time being taking a step back from trying to
>> > facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I want
>> to
>> be
>> > committing my efforts too.
>> > Alex Merced
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> > - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>>
>> > 1. mailto:[5][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[9]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[10]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 3. [11]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 4. mailto:[12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [18]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto:brent.olsen at lp.org
>> 4. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 5. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 6. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 10. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 11. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 15. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 17. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 18. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
>> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
I agree.
I managed a vbulletin forum for over a decade.
And members can get email notification or digests - just like this.
Richard, I’ll take the lead on this and get volunteers to set up a
proof of concept.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:37 AM Richard Longstreth
<[1]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
All, I again suggest a php forum if anyone knows anything about
getting one setup or knows someone who doea. We would each have an
account and it would be open for anyone to view even if they are not
a member. A member is defined as someone who can post and interact
in the group. Further on phone forums you can set access levels so
if there was say some reason for executive session discussion that
we did not want public (for a variety of reasons - legal for
example) we could restrict viewing access to just that area.
I'm talking basic early 2000s web programs here.
I don't mind assisting and or doing research to figure it out but I
have tried to set these thing up in the past and it is beyond my
skillset. I get lost once individual profiles need to be made - I can
only do basic web design. If want to stick with email, ok, however it
is clunky and difficult to capture the true flow of conversation
sometimes.
I strongly believe forums, php or otherwise, might be a really, really
good option for us. Old fashioned, sure but effective. Forums literally
emerged in order to help organizations not email so much and to help
facilitate easily viewable discussion. We should all be somewhat
familiar with how they work already as well which is another plus.
Richard
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 05:55 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Brent, you are my spirit animal. I love you man.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
PS: I counted them. It wasn't 68. It was in the 40s because I
interact with each person's comments. Do people post to the list
not to
get a response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have
that
many emails when someone is very very active in a group of 17
people.
I am not going to force anyone to conform to my communication
style
which I tried last term which was I used to rail on the fact that
some
people don't participate at all. I stopped doing it when I
realized
what I was doing; trying to make people in my image. I ask the
same
courtesy. And like it or not, dealing with this email list is
part of
the job. If we met more often, there would be less emails. As I
say
periodically, the fact that we do not meet monthly is ridiculous
to me.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][4]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of
diverse
people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your
communication style. I have to tell you that I have zero
intention of
changing my practice so if you think the sarcastic method built
understanding or cooperation. It didn't. It only built
resentment.
So perhaps we can start over?
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <[3][5]brent.olsen at lp.org>
wrote:
For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever
way
people want to communicate, as long as it is respectful. I try
to
be respectful, but when I see people becoming disrespectful it
gets
hard.... Though I still try.
I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the
snarky
emails from Sam Goldstein. I don't mind the well-thought and
generally diplomatic emails from Alex Merced or Joe
Bishop-Henchman. I get annoyed, however, with the constant
belittling and berating from some on this list towards others.
I
sure would love to see everyone working together in a generally
civil manner. I hope as we get to know each other in person at
LNC
meetings the manner in which we interact online changes.
Because the
lack of tolerance I see for like-minded individuals in this
group is
barely tolerable for me. Sure, I may not want to be tolerant
to
Libertarians running for office expressing support for the use
of
force to usurp property from property owners, and I feel our
body
(or preferably our Chair) should make a statement against such
things (especially when aid candidate is going to do interviews
on
RT or other media networks), just as I would expect my Chair
(or
this body) to make a statement against a Libertarian candidate
supporting a eugenics program.... But, in general, I am
usually
pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be tolerant. But sometimes
I
wonder.... Just my two cents...
In Liberty,
K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
Alternate, Region 4
On 2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to
be
tolerant of that. It is demeaning to be singled out- just
consider
that, that’s all I ask.
Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care
for. But
I try
hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if
it is
not my
thing.
Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely
to
adjust
habits when they feel respected because they then like the
requester
which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way
to
accommodate other people.
Your way is not my way. My way is not your way. And that’s
okay.
I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
Hey hey.
-Caryn Ann
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
<[1][4][6]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four
days
saying
the
same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond
to
every.
single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the
challenge
for
truth,
justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's
important
but
not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they
write
emails,
with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to
get
my
word
in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not
hearing
what
they're trying to say.
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
[2][5][7]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
[3][6][8]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
> It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
> If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting
met by
email
> tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly
viewable
group
for
> anyone who needs to workshop something.
> This is now a step backwards in transparency since
people
will
go
> back
> to personal discussions. It’s really unfortunate.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
Chair)
via
> Lnc-business <[1][4][7][9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
wrote:
>
> My intention was to try to facilitate working on
business
but
that
> seems to have been the result, I apologize for not
helping.
I
will
> delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I
wanted
feed
> back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is
not
worth
this
> level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
> I was totally fine with making it open which I was
planning
to do
> when I got home from work but all this back and forth
I’m
seeing
> is
> not worth it when my intention was the opposite so
I’ll be
> deleting
> the group. I figured another outlet could of been
great way
to
> facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
transparent
> was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on
the
same
> page.
> I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off
the
list I
> ask
> that you keep me informed so I can help and give
feedback
but
I’m
> at
> least for the time being taking a step back from
trying to
> facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I
want
to
be
> committing my efforts too.
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
> - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[5][8][10]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[9][11]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
2. mailto:[10][12]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
3. [11][13]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
4. mailto:[12][14]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[13][15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[14]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:[15]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [17]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [18]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[16]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:[17]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:[18]brent.olsen at lp.org
4. mailto:[19]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
5. mailto:[20]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
6. [21]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
7. mailto:[22]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. mailto:[23]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[24]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
10. mailto:[25]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
11. [26]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
12. mailto:[27]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:[28]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:[29]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:[30]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto:[31]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
17. mailto:[32]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
18. mailto:[33]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[34]richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [35]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto:brent.olsen at lp.org
6. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
7. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
8. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
12. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
13. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
14. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
17. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
18. mailto:brent.olsen at lp.org
19. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
20. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
21. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
22. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
23. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
24. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
25. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
27. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
28. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
29. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
30. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
31. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
32. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
33. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
34. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
35. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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I agree as well. I actually mentioned this option a couple weeks ago.
They are extremely customizable, easy to navigate, threads don't break
do to some doofus's wierd email *blushes*, settings for email
notifications, and are often available as freeware.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell [1]217-412-5973
------ Original message------
From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
Date: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:05 PM
To: Richard Longstreth;
Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos[2];lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] the FB group
I agree.
I managed a vbulletin forum for over a decade.
And members can get email notification or digests - just like this.
Richard, I’ll take the lead on this and get volunteers to set up a proof of
concept.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:37 AM Richard Longstreth <[3]
richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> All, I again suggest a php forum if anyone knows anything about getting
> one setup or knows someone who doea. We would each have an account and it
> would be open for anyone to view even if they are not a member. A member is
> defined as someone who can post and interact in the group. Further on phone
> forums you can set access levels so if there was say some reason for
> executive session discussion that we did not want public (for a variety of
> reasons - legal for example) we could restrict viewing access to just that
> area.
>
> I'm talking basic early 2000s web programs here.
>
> I don't mind assisting and or doing research to figure it out but I have
> tried to set these thing up in the past and it is beyond my skillset. I get
> lost once individual profiles need to be made - I can only do basic web
> design. If want to stick with email, ok, however it is clunky and difficult
> to capture the true flow of conversation sometimes.
>
> I strongly believe forums, php or otherwise, might be a really, really
> good option for us. Old fashioned, sure but effective. Forums literally
> emerged in order to help organizations not email so much and to help
> facilitate easily viewable discussion. We should all be somewhat familiar
> with how they work already as well which is another plus.
>
> Richard
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 05:55 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>[4] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Brent, you are my spirit animal. I love you man.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[1[5]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> PS: I counted them. It wasn't 68. It was in the 40s because I
>> interact with each person's comments. Do people post to the list not to
>> get a response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have that
>> many emails when someone is very very active in a group of 17 people.
>> I am not going to force anyone to conform to my communication style
>> which I tried last term which was I used to rail on the fact that some
>> people don't participate at all. I stopped doing it when I realized
>> what I was doing; trying to make people in my image. I ask the same
>> courtesy. And like it or not, dealing with this email list is part of
>> the job. If we met more often, there would be less emails. As I say
>> periodically, the fact that we do not meet monthly is ridiculous to me.
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <[2[6]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of diverse
>> people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your
>> communication style. I have to tell you that I have zero intention of
>> changing my practice so if you think the sarcastic method built
>> understanding or cooperation. It didn't. It only built resentment.
>> So perhaps we can start over?
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <[3[7]]brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever way
>> people want to communicate, as long as it is respectful. I try to
>> be respectful, but when I see people becoming disrespectful it gets
>> hard.... Though I still try.
>> I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the snarky
>> emails from Sam Goldstein. I don't mind the well-thought and
>> generally diplomatic emails from Alex Merced or Joe
>> Bishop-Henchman. I get annoyed, however, with the constant
>> belittling and berating from some on this list towards others. I
>> sure would love to see everyone working together in a generally
>> civil manner. I hope as we get to know each other in person at LNC
>> meetings the manner in which we interact online changes. Because the
>> lack of tolerance I see for like-minded individuals in this group is
>> barely tolerable for me. Sure, I may not want to be tolerant to
>> Libertarians running for office expressing support for the use of
>> force to usurp property from property owners, and I feel our body
>> (or preferably our Chair) should make a statement against such
>> things (especially when aid candidate is going to do interviews on
>> RT or other media networks), just as I would expect my Chair (or
>> this body) to make a statement against a Libertarian candidate
>> supporting a eugenics program.... But, in general, I am usually
>> pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be tolerant. But sometimes I
>> wonder.... Just my two cents...
>> In Liberty,
>> K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
>> Alternate, Region 4
>> On [8]2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>
>> Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to be
>> tolerant of that. It is demeaning to be singled out- just
>> consider
>> that, that’s all I ask.
>> Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care for. But
>> I try
>> hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if it is
>> not my
>> thing.
>> Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely to
>> adjust
>> habits when they feel respected because they then like the
>> requester
>> which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way to
>> accommodate other people.
>> Your way is not my way. My way is not your way. And that’s
>> okay.
>> I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
>> Hey hey.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> -Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> <[1][4[9]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>> Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four days
>> saying
>> the
>> same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond to
>> every.
>> single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the challenge
>> for
>> truth,
>> justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
>> I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's
>> important
>> but
>> not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they write
>> emails,
>> with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to get
>> my
>> word
>> in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not hearing
>> what
>> they're trying to say.
>> JBH
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>
> [2][5[10]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> [3][6][11]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> On [12]2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
>> > If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting met by
>> email
>> > tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly viewable
>> group
>> for
>> > anyone who needs to workshop something.
>> > This is now a step backwards in transparency since people
>> will
>> go
>> > back
>> > to personal discussions. It’s really unfortunate.
>> > -Caryn Ann
>> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
>> Chair)
>> via
>>
>> > Lnc-business <[1][4][7[13]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > My intention was to try to facilitate working on business
>> but
>> that
>> > seems to have been the result, I apologize for not helping.
>> I
>> will
>> > delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I
>> wanted
>> feed
>> > back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is not
>> worth
>> this
>> > level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
>> > I was totally fine with making it open which I was planning
>> to do
>> > when I got home from work but all this back and forth I’m
>> seeing
>> > is
>> > not worth it when my intention was the opposite so I’ll be
>> > deleting
>> > the group. I figured another outlet could of been great way
>> to
>> > facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
>> transparent
>> > was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on the
>> same
>> > page.
>> > I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off the
>> list I
>> > ask
>> > that you keep me informed so I can help and give feedback
>> but
>> I’m
>> > at
>> > least for the time being taking a step back from trying to
>> > facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I want
>> to
>> be
>> > committing my efforts too.
>> > Alex Merced
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>> > - [2][14]Caryn.Ann.[15] Harlos at LP.org or[16] Secretary at LP.org.
>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[17] LPedia at LP.org
>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> > We defend your rights
>> > And oppose the use of force
>> > Taxation is theft
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>>
>> > 1. mailto:[5][8[18]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > 2. mailto:[6[19]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [7][20]Caryn.Ann.[21] Harlos at LP.org or[22] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[23] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> References
>> 1. mailto:[9[24]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:[10[25]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 3. [11][26]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 4. mailto:[12[27]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:[13[28]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:[14[29]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 7. mailto:[15[30]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [16][31]Caryn.Ann.[32] Harlos at LP.org or[33] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[34] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [17][35]Caryn.Ann.[36] Harlos at LP.org or[37] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[38] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> --
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [18][39]Caryn.Ann.[40] Harlos at LP.org or[41] Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[42] LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto[43]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 2. mailto[44]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> 3. mailto[45]:brent.olsen at lp.org
>> 4. mailto[46]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 5. mailto[47]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 6. [48]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 7. mailto[49]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 8. mailto[50]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 9. mailto[51]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 10. mailto[52]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 11. [53]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>> 12. mailto[54]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 13. mailto[55]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 14. mailto[56]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 15. mailto[57]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 16. mailto[58]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 17. mailto[59]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 18. mailto[60]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
>> --
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
>[61] richard.longstreth at lp.org
> [62]931.538.9300
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [63]Caryn.Ann.[
64]
Harlos at LP.org or[65] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[66] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
I agree.
I managed a vbulletin forum for over a decade.
And members can get email notification or digests - just like this.
Richard, I’ll take the lead on this and get volunteers to set up a
proof of concept.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 10:37 AM Richard Longstreth
<[1[67]]richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
All, I again suggest a php forum if anyone knows anything about
getting one setup or knows someone who doea. We would each have an
account and it would be open for anyone to view even if they are not
a member. A member is defined as someone who can post and interact
in the group. Further on phone forums you can set access levels so
if there was say some reason for executive session discussion that
we did not want public (for a variety of reasons - legal for
example) we could restrict viewing access to just that area.
I'm talking basic early 2000s web programs here.
I don't mind assisting and or doing research to figure it out but I
have tried to set these thing up in the past and it is beyond my
skillset. I get lost once individual profiles need to be made - I can
only do basic web design. If want to stick with email, ok, however it
is clunky and difficult to capture the true flow of conversation
sometimes.
I strongly believe forums, php or otherwise, might be a really, really
good option for us. Old fashioned, sure but effective. Forums literally
emerged in order to help organizations not email so much and to help
facilitate easily viewable discussion. We should all be somewhat
familiar with how they work already as well which is another plus.
Richard
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 05:55 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
<[2[68]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Brent, you are my spirit animal. I love you man.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[1][3[69]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
PS: I counted them. It wasn't 68. It was in the 40s because I
interact with each person's comments. Do people post to the list
not to
get a response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have
that
many emails when someone is very very active in a group of 17
people.
I am not going to force anyone to conform to my communication
style
which I tried last term which was I used to rail on the fact that
some
people don't participate at all. I stopped doing it when I
realized
what I was doing; trying to make people in my image. I ask the
same
courtesy. And like it or not, dealing with this email list is
part of
the job. If we met more often, there would be less emails. As I
say
periodically, the fact that we do not meet monthly is ridiculous
to me.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<[2][4[70]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of
diverse
people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your
communication style. I have to tell you that I have zero
intention of
changing my practice so if you think the sarcastic method built
understanding or cooperation. It didn't. It only built
resentment.
So perhaps we can start over?
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <[3][5[71]]brent.olsen at lp.org>
wrote:
For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever
way
people want to communicate, as long as it is respectful. I try
to
be respectful, but when I see people becoming disrespectful it
gets
hard.... Though I still try.
I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the
snarky
emails from Sam Goldstein. I don't mind the well-thought and
generally diplomatic emails from Alex Merced or Joe
Bishop-Henchman. I get annoyed, however, with the constant
belittling and berating from some on this list towards others.
I
sure would love to see everyone working together in a generally
civil manner. I hope as we get to know each other in person at
LNC
meetings the manner in which we interact online changes.
Because the
lack of tolerance I see for like-minded individuals in this
group is
barely tolerable for me. Sure, I may not want to be tolerant
to
Libertarians running for office expressing support for the use
of
force to usurp property from property owners, and I feel our
body
(or preferably our Chair) should make a statement against such
things (especially when aid candidate is going to do interviews
on
RT or other media networks), just as I would expect my Chair
(or
this body) to make a statement against a Libertarian candidate
supporting a eugenics program.... But, in general, I am
usually
pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be tolerant. But sometimes
I
wonder.... Just my two cents...
In Liberty,
K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
Alternate, Region 4
On [72]2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to
be
tolerant of that. It is demeaning to be singled out- just
consider
that, that’s all I ask.
Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care
for. But
I try
hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if
it is
not my
thing.
Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely
to
adjust
habits when they feel respected because they then like the
requester
which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way
to
accommodate other people.
Your way is not my way. My way is not your way. And that’s
okay.
I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
Hey hey.
-Caryn Ann
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
<[1][4][6[73]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four
days
saying
the
same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond
to
every.
single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the
challenge
for
truth,
justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's
important
but
not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they
write
emails,
with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to
get
my
word
in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not
hearing
what
they're trying to say.
JBH
------------
Joe Bishop-Henchman
LNC Member (At-Large)
[2][5][7[74]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
[3][6][8][75]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On [76]2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
> It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
> If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting
met by
email
> tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly
viewable
group
for
> anyone who needs to workshop something.
> This is now a step backwards in transparency since
people
will
go
> back
> to personal discussions. It’s really unfortunate.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
Chair)
via
> Lnc-business <[1][4][7][9[77]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
wrote:
>
> My intention was to try to facilitate working on
business
but
that
> seems to have been the result, I apologize for not
helping.
I
will
> delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I
wanted
feed
> back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is
not
worth
this
> level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
> I was totally fine with making it open which I was
planning
to do
> when I got home from work but all this back and forth
I’m
seeing
> is
> not worth it when my intention was the opposite so
I’ll be
> deleting
> the group. I figured another outlet could of been
great way
to
> facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
transparent
> was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on
the
same
> page.
> I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off
the
list I
> ask
> that you keep me informed so I can help and give
feedback
but
I’m
> at
> least for the time being taking a step back from
trying to
> facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I
want
to
be
> committing my efforts too.
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> --
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
> - [2][78]Caryn.Ann.[79] Harlos at LP.org or[80] Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
[81] LPedia at LP.org
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> We defend your rights
> And oppose the use of force
> Taxation is theft
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[5][8][10[82]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[6[83]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary
- [7][84]Caryn.Ann.[85] Harlos at LP.org or[86] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[87] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[9][11[88]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
2. mailto:[10][12[89]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
3. [11][13][90]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
4. mailto:[12][14[91]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[13][15[92]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[14[93]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
7. mailto:[15[94]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [16][95]Caryn.Ann.[96] Harlos at LP.org or[97] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[98] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [17][99]Caryn.Ann.[100] Harlos at LP.org or[101] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[102] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [18][103]Caryn.Ann.[104] Harlos at LP.org or[105] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[106] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:[16[107]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
2. mailto:[17[108]]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
3. mailto:[18[109]]brent.olsen at lp.org
4. mailto:[19[110]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
5. mailto:[20[111]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
6. [21][112]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
7. mailto:[22[113]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
8. mailto:[23[114]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:[24[115]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
10. mailto:[25[116]]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
11. [26][117]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
12. mailto:[27[118]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:[28[119]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:[29[120]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
15. mailto:[30[121]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto:[31[122]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
17. mailto:[32[123]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
18. mailto:[33[124]]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
[34[125]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
[126]931.538.9300
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [35][127]Caryn.Ann.[128] Harlos at LP.org or[129] Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[130] LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto[131]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
2. mailto[132]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto[133]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto[134]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
5. mailto[135]:brent.olsen at lp.org
6. mailto[136]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
7. mailto[137]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
8. [138]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
9. mailto[139]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto[140]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
11. mailto[141]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
12. mailto[142]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
13. [143]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
14. mailto[144]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
15. mailto[145]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto[146]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
17. mailto[147]:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
18. mailto[148]:brent.olsen at lp.org
19. mailto[149]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
20. mailto[150]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
21. [151]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
22. mailto[152]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
23. mailto[153]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
24. mailto[154]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
25. mailto[155]:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
26. [156]http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
27. mailto[157]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
28. mailto[158]:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
29. mailto[159]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
30. mailto[160]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
31. mailto[161]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
32. mailto[162]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
33. mailto[163]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
34. mailto[164]:richard.longstreth at lp.org
35. mailto[165]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
References
1. tel:217-412-5973
2. mailto:;lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:
richard.longstreth at lp.org
4. mailto: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
6. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
7. mailto:]brent.olsen at lp.org
8. tel:2018-08-17 14
9. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
10. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
11. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
12. tel:2018-08-17 16
13. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. http://Caryn.An/
15. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
16. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
17. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
18. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
19. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
20. http://Caryn.An/
21. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
22. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
23. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
24. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
25. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
26. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
27. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
28. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
29. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
30. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
31. http://Caryn.An/
32. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
33. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
34. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
35. http://Caryn.An/
36. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
37. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
38. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
39. http://Caryn.An/
40. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
41. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
42. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
43. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
44. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
45. mailto::brent.olsen at lp.org
46. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
47. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
48. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
49. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
50. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
51. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
52. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
53. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
54. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
55. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
56. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
57. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
58. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
59. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
60. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
61. mailto: richard.longstreth at lp.org
62. tel:931.538.9300
63. http://Caryn.An/
64. mailto:
Harlos at LP.org
65. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
66. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
67. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
68. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
69. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
70. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
71. mailto:]brent.olsen at lp.org
72. tel:2018-08-17 14
73. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
74. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
75. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
76. tel:2018-08-17 16
77. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
78. http://Caryn.An/
79. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
80. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
81. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
82. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
83. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
84. http://Caryn.An/
85. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
86. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
87. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
88. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
89. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
90. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
91. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
92. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
93. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
94. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
95. http://Caryn.An/
96. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
97. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
98. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
99. http://Caryn.An/
100. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
101. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
102. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
103. http://Caryn.An/
104. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
105. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
106. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
107. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
108. mailto:]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
109. mailto:]brent.olsen at lp.org
110. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
111. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
112. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
113. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
114. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
115. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
116. mailto:]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
117. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
118. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
119. mailto:]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
120. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
121. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
122. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
123. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
124. mailto:]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
125. mailto:]richard.longstreth at lp.org
126. tel:931.538.9300
127. http://Caryn.An/
128. mailto: Harlos at LP.org
129. mailto: Secretary at LP.org.
130. mailto: LPedia at LP.org
131. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
132. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
133. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
134. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
135. mailto::brent.olsen at lp.org
136. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
137. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
138. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
139. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
140. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
141. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
142. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
143. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
144. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
145. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
146. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
147. mailto::caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
148. mailto::brent.olsen at lp.org
149. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
150. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
151. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
152. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
153. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
154. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
155. mailto::joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
156. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
157. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
158. mailto::lnc-business at hq.lp.org
159. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
160. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
161. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
162. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
163. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
164. mailto::richard.longstreth at lp.org
165. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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