[Lnc-business] the FB group

brent.olsen at lp.org brent.olsen at lp.org
Sun Aug 19 00:21:42 EDT 2018


Awe!!!!  Thank you!  That is an incredible compliment!

-Brent

On 2018-08-18 03:55, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Brent, you are my spirit animal.  I love you man.
> 
> -Caryn Ann
> 
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:54 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> PS:  I counted them.  It wasn't 68.  It was in the 40s because I
>> interact with each person's comments. Do people post to the list not
>> to get a response?? I am sorry, but it is NOT unreasonable to have
>> that many emails when someone is very very active in a group of 17
>> people.  I am not going to force anyone to conform to my
>> communication style which I tried last term which was I used to rail
>> on the fact that some people don't participate at all.  I stopped
>> doing it when I realized what I was doing; trying to make people in
>> my image.  I ask the same courtesy.  And like it or not, dealing
>> with this email list is part of the job.  If we met more often,
>> there would be less emails.  As I say periodically, the fact that we
>> do not meet monthly is ridiculous to me.
>> 
>> -Caryn Ann
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe with all due respect you signed up to part of a group of diverse
>> people, not to dictate to them that they must conform to your
>> communication style.  I have to tell you that I have zero intention
>> of changing my practice so if you think the sarcastic method built
>> understanding or cooperation.  It didn't.  It only built resentment.
>> 
>> So perhaps we can start over?
>> 
>> -Caryn Ann
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <brent.olsen at lp.org> wrote:
>> For the record, not that it matters, I am tolerant of whatever way
>> people want to communicate, as long as it is respectful.  I try to
>> be respectful, but when I see people becoming disrespectful it gets
>> hard....  Though I still try.
>> 
>> I don't mind the 68 email from Caryn Ann. I don't mind the snarky
>> emails from Sam Goldstein.  I don't mind the well-thought and
>> generally diplomatic emails from Alex Merced or Joe Bishop-Henchman.
>> I get annoyed, however, with the constant belittling and berating
>> from some on this list towards others.  I sure would love to see
>> everyone working together in a generally civil manner.  I hope as we
>> get to know each other in person at LNC meetings the manner in which
>> we interact online changes. Because the lack of tolerance I see for
>> like-minded individuals in this group is barely tolerable for me.
>> Sure, I may not want to be tolerant to Libertarians running for
>> office expressing support for the use of force to usurp property
>> from property owners, and I feel our body (or preferably our Chair)
>> should make a statement against such things (especially when aid
>> candidate is going to do interviews on RT or other media networks),
>> just as I would expect my Chair (or this body) to make a statement
>> against a Libertarian candidate supporting a eugenics program....
>> But, in general, I am usually pretty tolerant, and hope you'd all be
>> tolerant.  But sometimes I wonder....  Just my two cents...
>> 
>> In Liberty,
>> K. Brent Olsen, Psy.D.
>> Alternate, Region 4
>> 
>> On 2018-08-17 14:38, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Not everyone communicates the same way Joe, and we all have to be
>> tolerant of that.  It is demeaning to be singled out- just
>> consider
>> that, that’s all I ask.
>> 
>> Some folks here react with far more emotion than I care for.  But
>> I try
>> hard not to shame them for it but rather just ignore it if it is
>> not my
>> thing.
>> 
>> Personal styles are personal, and people are far more likely to
>> adjust
>> habits when they feel respected because they then like the
>> requester
>> which results in everyone voluntarily going out of their way to
>> accommodate other people.
>> 
>> Your way is not my way.  My way is not your way.  And that’s
>> okay.
>> 
>> I think that’s the beginning of a spicey maymay.
>> 
>> Hey hey.
>> 
>> -Caryn Ann
>> 
>> -Caryn Ann
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> <[1]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Efforts to work are welcome. Sending 68 emails in four days
>> saying
>> the
>> same thing over and over, rushing to immediately respond to
>> every.
>> single. email. as if one has a duty to rise to the challenge
>> for
>> truth,
>> justice, and the American Way, is counterproductive.
>> I often sleep on an email before I reply to it, if it's
>> important
>> but
>> not urgent. Most people are very careful with how they write
>> emails,
>> with meanings that take a couple of readings. If I rush to get
>> my
>> word
>> in edgewise, I miss that and people notice that I'm not hearing
>> what
>> they're trying to say.
>> JBH
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> [2]joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> [3]www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]
>> On 2018-08-17 16:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> It’s unfortunate Alex when no good deed goes unpunished.
>>>    If needed (ie if efforts to work here keep getting met by
>> email
>>>    tallies), I will recreate a group - as an openly viewable
>> group
>> for
>>>    anyone who needs to workshop something.
>>>    This is now a step backwards in transparency since people
>> will
>> go
>>> back
>>>    to personal discussions.  It’s really unfortunate.
>>>    -Caryn Ann
>>>    On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:43 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice
>> Chair)
>> via
>> 
>>>    Lnc-business <[1][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>      My intention was to try to facilitate working on
>> business but
>> that
>>>      seems to have been the result, I apologize for not
>> helping. I
>> will
>>>      delete the group, I haven’t done anything yet cause I
>> wanted
>> feed
>>>      back and also cause I’m currently at work. This is not
>> worth
>> this
>>>      level of frustration, I’m deleting the group.
>>>      I was totally fine with making it open which I was
>> planning
>> to do
>>>      when I got home from work but all this back and forth
>> I’m
>> seeing
>>> is
>>>      not worth it when my intention was the opposite so
>> I’ll be
>>> deleting
>>>      the group. I figured another outlet could of been great
>> way
>> to
>>>      facilitate work and reduce frustration, and making it
>> transparent
>>>      was fine with me of course I just wanted everyone on the
>> same
>>> page.
>>>      I’m deleting the group, to the extent people work off
>> the
>> list I
>>> ask
>>>      that you keep me informed so I can help and give
>> feedback but
>> I’m
>>> at
>>>      least for the time being taking a step back from trying
>> to
>>>      facilitate as their are many campaigns and efforts I
>> want to
>> be
>>>      committing my efforts too.
>>>      Alex Merced
>>>      Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>> 
>>>    --
>>> 
>>>    --
>>>    In Liberty,
>>>    Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>    Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
>> Secretary
>>>    - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>    Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
>> LPedia at LP.org
>>>    A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>    We defend your rights
>>>    And oppose the use of force
>>>    Taxation is theft
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>    1. mailto:[5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>    2. mailto:[6]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> - [7]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> We defend your rights
>> And oppose the use of force
>> Taxation is theft
>> 
>> References
>> 
>> 1. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 2. mailto:joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> 3. http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]
>> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> 6. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> 7. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 
> --
> 
> --
> 
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> 
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
> 
> --
> 
> --
> 
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> 
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
> 
> --
> 
> --
> 
> IN LIBERTY,
> CARYN ANN HARLOS
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> 
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> _We defend your rights_
> _And oppose the use of force_
> _Taxation is theft_
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837




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