[Lnc-business] Seeking Feedback: Membership Support Committee
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Sun Aug 26 20:59:53 EDT 2018
I can't think of a reason 9 would be too large. I am considering a motion
to expand the historical committee as five is a bit small - better to have
more skills and ideas.
You know my opinion on mandatory LNC membership.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 2 questions:
>
> 1. Would 9 members be too large that it may encumber the committee (The
> blockchain committee is large but the motion had specific goals laid out so
> to focus a larger committee)
>
> 2. Would there be any reason to not have all the positions open to LNC and
> non-lnc
>
> Alex Merced
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>
> > On Aug 26, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Please don't use the "we", when that's not a behavior that most of the
> > LNC has a history of doing.
> > Not only are multiple LNC members new to this, but some haven't served
> > on any committees.
> > Also, I look forward to hearing which subcommittee you're resigning
> > from, to set the example of giving up control and expanding horizons.
> >
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >
> > On 2018-08-26 18:44, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >
> > EVH,
> >
> >
> >
> > The LNC appoints the Chair. In the future I expect it will be someone
> > else. I think that is in fact a model we want to adopt. Limited LNC
> > involvement, more grassroots.
> >
> >
> >
> > If we truly want meaningful advisory committees we have to give up
> > control and expand horizons. Nothing stops LNC members from
> > volunteering, applying, attending, or assisting.
> >
> >
> >
> > We need to stop controlling.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:38 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <[1]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > There is no stopping Regionals from volnteering or attending.
> >
> >
> >
> > With all these committees requiring LNC members two things happen:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Members see the same people on committee after committee and are
> > resentful
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. The committees get less effective as we are stretched thin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:18 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> > <[2]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have no problem designating a number of LNC members to be on a
> > Membership Support Committee, and think it would be helpful for LNC
> > Region Reps to be on such a committee, as we get a lot of direct
> > feedback from our state affiliates. The type of feedback we get
> > often
> > speaks directly to membership issues.
> > Friday I spend time listening to members who're candidates in my
> > Region,
> > as some are very frustrated with the LP launched CRM project. I got
> > feedback from multiple members, sent emails, and even spoke to
> > Nicholas
> > Sarwark on the phone, as he was responsive enough to call me
> > concerning
> > this issue. (Tentatively, an issue was resolved.) I plan to do some
> > follow-up to see if further issues can be resolved, as there are
> > multiple LP candidates who're not happy with LP national's release
> > product-options for CRM. I'm not on the Candidate Support Committee,
> > but
> > spent time doing candidate support, as it's *member* support. (I
> > realize
> > the Candidate Support Committee isn't described as direct support.)
> > Since various members contact their LNC Region Reps for member
> > related
> > issues, I'd like to be on the Membership Support Committee, and
> > would
> > like to have the committee composition comprised of four LNC
> > members.
> > In addition, I'd expand the non-LNC members and add two more than
> > proposed, making the non-LNC members five. Small committees
> > sometimes
> > have several people unable to make a meeting, even when online, and
> > when
> > there's only seven people, and two are missing, it's hard to come to
> > a
> > meaningful agreement, as so few are represented. Also, since we do
> > have
> > such an abundance of LP members wishing to help, expanding the
> > non-LNC
> > members number would help our members, as there'd be a larger pool
> > of
> > people would to assist.
> > For the reasons mentioned above, I'd like to see the Membership
> > Support
> > Committee have nine people, four LNC members, and five non-LNC
> > members.
> > ---
> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> On 2018-08-26 13:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> Much much better. I have a question though - why so many LNC
> > members?
> >> We are stretched thin and there are many many members who want
> > to
> >> help. I would like to see committees - particularly ones with
> >> absolutely no budget - to be member ran with the composition of
> > that
> >> committee approved by the LNC not just the LNC chair (if we
> > reduced
> >> the
> >> LNC membership of the committee - if kept as it is right now,
> > only
> >> approval by the Chair is necessary).
> >> The Historical Committee - which actually HAS a budget has NO
> >> required
> >> LNC members. Why are we not moving towards that model?
> >> tldr; I am likely to vote against if the number of LNC members
> > is
> >> not
> >> reduced. We can always volunteer to be appointed. I would
> > like to
> >> see
> >> NO required LNC members.
> >> ************
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 10:49 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair)
> > via
> >> Lnc-business <[4][3]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Below is the newer wording for what used to be the
> >> Retention/Outreach
> >> committee motion. I have simplified the motion based on
> > what I
> >> saw on
> >> the email ballots of committee motions from previous LNC
> > terms.
> >> My intention is to create a committee that want to help
> > provide
> >> some
> >> extra hands to the staff in Membership related tasks and
> > fact
> >> finding
> >> (making thank you calls/emails). Since this can be quite a
> > wide
> >> range
> >> of activities I chose to not define them within the motion
> > so
> >> the
> >> committee chair or the committee can coordinate with the
> >> Membership
> >> Manager and other staff on how they can be helpful.
> >> -------------------------
> >> Membership Support Committee
> >> Create a Membership Support Committee consisting of four
> > LNC
> >> members or
> >> LNC alternates and three non-LNC members of the LP. The
> > LNC
> >> members of
> >> the committee are elected by the LNC and the non-LNC
> > members
> >> are
> >> appointed by the LNC Chair based on recommendations from
> > the
> >> LNC
> >> members of the committee. The LNC Chair will appoint an
> >> Interim
> >> Chair
> >> of the Membership Support Committee until a permanent
> > Chair can
> >> be
> >> elected by its' members.
> >> The Membership Support Committee will seek to find ways to
> >> support LP
> >> staff in matters of membership growth and retention. The
> >> committee
> >> will submit a report of its activities at the 2nd and 4th
> > LNC
> >> meetings
> >> each year.
> >> Alex Merced
> >> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> > 2. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > <blocked.gif>
>
>
--
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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I can't think of a reason 9 would be too large. I am considering a
motion to expand the historical committee as five is a bit small -
better to have more skills and ideas.
You know my opinion on mandatory LNC membership.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
Lnc-business <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
2 questions:
1. Would 9 members be too large that it may encumber the committee
(The blockchain committee is large but the motion had specific goals
laid out so to focus a larger committee)
2. Would there be any reason to not have all the positions open to
LNC and non-lnc
Alex Merced
Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
> On Aug 26, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Please don't use the "we", when that's not a behavior that most
of the
> LNC has a history of doing.
> Not only are multiple LNC members new to this, but some haven't
served
> on any committees.
> Also, I look forward to hearing which subcommittee you're
resigning
> from, to set the example of giving up control and expanding
horizons.
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2018-08-26 18:44, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> EVH,
>
>
>
> The LNC appoints the Chair. In the future I expect it will be
someone
> else. I think that is in fact a model we want to adopt. Limited
LNC
> involvement, more grassroots.
>
>
>
> If we truly want meaningful advisory committees we have to give
up
> control and expand horizons. Nothing stops LNC members from
> volunteering, applying, attending, or assisting.
>
>
>
> We need to stop controlling.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:38 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> <[1][3]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> There is no stopping Regionals from volnteering or attending.
>
>
>
> With all these committees requiring LNC members two things
happen:
>
>
>
> 1. Members see the same people on committee after committee and
are
> resentful
>
>
>
> 2. The committees get less effective as we are stretched thin.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:18 PM Elizabeth Van Horn
> <[2][4]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I have no problem designating a number of LNC members to be on a
> Membership Support Committee, and think it would be helpful for
LNC
> Region Reps to be on such a committee, as we get a lot of direct
> feedback from our state affiliates. The type of feedback we get
> often
> speaks directly to membership issues.
> Friday I spend time listening to members who're candidates in my
> Region,
> as some are very frustrated with the LP launched CRM project. I
got
> feedback from multiple members, sent emails, and even spoke to
> Nicholas
> Sarwark on the phone, as he was responsive enough to call me
> concerning
> this issue. (Tentatively, an issue was resolved.) I plan to do
some
> follow-up to see if further issues can be resolved, as there are
> multiple LP candidates who're not happy with LP national's
release
> product-options for CRM. I'm not on the Candidate Support
Committee,
> but
> spent time doing candidate support, as it's *member* support. (I
> realize
> the Candidate Support Committee isn't described as direct
support.)
> Since various members contact their LNC Region Reps for member
> related
> issues, I'd like to be on the Membership Support Committee, and
> would
> like to have the committee composition comprised of four LNC
> members.
> In addition, I'd expand the non-LNC members and add two more than
> proposed, making the non-LNC members five. Small committees
> sometimes
> have several people unable to make a meeting, even when online,
and
> when
> there's only seven people, and two are missing, it's hard to come
to
> a
> meaningful agreement, as so few are represented. Also, since we
do
> have
> such an abundance of LP members wishing to help, expanding the
> non-LNC
> members number would help our members, as there'd be a larger
pool
> of
> people would to assist.
> For the reasons mentioned above, I'd like to see the Membership
> Support
> Committee have nine people, four LNC members, and five non-LNC
> members.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> On 2018-08-26 13:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> Much much better. I have a question though - why so many LNC
> members?
>> We are stretched thin and there are many many members who want
> to
>> help. I would like to see committees - particularly ones with
>> absolutely no budget - to be member ran with the composition of
> that
>> committee approved by the LNC not just the LNC chair (if we
> reduced
>> the
>> LNC membership of the committee - if kept as it is right now,
> only
>> approval by the Chair is necessary).
>> The Historical Committee - which actually HAS a budget has NO
>> required
>> LNC members. Why are we not moving towards that model?
>> tldr; I am likely to vote against if the number of LNC members
> is
>> not
>> reduced. We can always volunteer to be appointed. I would
> like to
>> see
>> NO required LNC members.
>> ************
>>
>> ==
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 10:49 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair)
> via
>> Lnc-business <[4][3][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Below is the newer wording for what used to be the
>> Retention/Outreach
>> committee motion. I have simplified the motion based on
> what I
>> saw on
>> the email ballots of committee motions from previous LNC
> terms.
>> My intention is to create a committee that want to help
> provide
>> some
>> extra hands to the staff in Membership related tasks and
> fact
>> finding
>> (making thank you calls/emails). Since this can be quite a
> wide
>> range
>> of activities I chose to not define them within the motion
> so
>> the
>> committee chair or the committee can coordinate with the
>> Membership
>> Manager and other staff on how they can be helpful.
>> -------------------------
>> Membership Support Committee
>> Create a Membership Support Committee consisting of four
> LNC
>> members or
>> LNC alternates and three non-LNC members of the LP. The
> LNC
>> members of
>> the committee are elected by the LNC and the non-LNC
> members
>> are
>> appointed by the LNC Chair based on recommendations from
> the
>> LNC
>> members of the committee. The LNC Chair will appoint an
>> Interim
>> Chair
>> of the Membership Support Committee until a permanent
> Chair can
>> be
>> elected by its' members.
>> The Membership Support Committee will seek to find ways to
>> support LP
>> staff in matters of membership growth and retention. The
>> committee
>> will submit a report of its activities at the 2nd and 4th
> LNC
>> meetings
>> each year.
>> Alex Merced
>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[6]caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> 2. mailto:[7]elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
> 3. mailto:[8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> <blocked.gif>
--
--
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
- [9]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
We defend your rights
And oppose the use of force
Taxation is theft
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
4. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
7. mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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