[Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner thing

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

You're twisting things.  O'Donnell was specifically addressing the 
statement that no one from the LNC contacted Koerner.  Which, according 
to O'Donnell, isn't true, as O'Donnell reported that he personally *did* 
contact Koerner.  O'Donnell was referring to that particular claim and 
refuting it.

Stop trying to take the statement from one LNC member, where he's 
specifically addressing a particular issue, and twist it into some 
"collective" bad action by the LNC.



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Elizabeth Van Horn


On 2018-12-24 23:15, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> We agreed last meeting to present a counteroffer.
> 
>    He got nothing.  Not even a thanks but no thanks.  And got called a
>    liar for his rep stating this fact.
> 
>    I support an actual respectful answer and a future contingent 
> counter
>    offer.
> 
>    What did happen was grossly unconscionable.
> 
>    On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:43 PM [1]john.phillips at lp.org
>    <[2]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>    I will again disagree.
>        It is common practice throughout the world in both business and
>    personal transactions to NOT make counter offer when you are too far
>    apart.  Often for the simple reason to NOT insult the other party.
>    Given the counter proposals discussed any counter offer made would 
> have
>    been as insulting or more than our voting it down.
>       Honestly given the current budget situation we are not in a 
> position
>    to make a counter offer anyway unless some donors step up to
>    specifically fund it, in which case everything changes.
>        So even though I love his idea, I will be voting no if the 
> subject
>    of a counter offer comes up at this time to avoid further insulting 
> Mr
>    Koerner or overextending our finances.
>        Now some of the things that were said in open discussion are a
>    different matter, that I will agree could have gone much better, but
>    given my propensity to speak passionately I am not in much position 
> to
>    criticize, other than I tend to offer an apology when I find out my
>    statements were based on bad information - which was clearly the 
> case
>    in a few of the comments you bring up.  We are a group, and 
> apologies
>    for inaccurate statements might be in order.
>    John Phillips
>    Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>    Cell [3]217-412-5973
>    ------ Original message------
>    From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>    Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 11:40 AM
>    To: [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
>    Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
>    Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner thing
> I once again call for this to be included in the e-meeting.  NOT the
> proposal. The rude AF way we handled it.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> wrote:
> 
>> I am apoplectic.  We treated this man like absolute shit and he was 
>> called
>> a liar in our meeting.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:09 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> [5] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>    That being the case, we absolutely need Nick to submit a counter
>>>    proposal crafted by our input. Nick, if you'd like, you can share
>>>    confidentially with the LNC first for input but we have indeed 
>>> done Mr
>>>    Koerner a disservice in light of this clarification from Lauren. 
>>> Thank
>>>    you, Lauren.
>>>    Richard
>>>    Richard Longstreth
>>>    Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, 
>>> WY)
>>>    Libertarian National Committee
>>>    [1[6]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>    [7]931.538.9300
>>>    Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> 
>>>    On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 08:02 Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business
>>>    <[2[8]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>> 
>>>      Here's what I said at the LNC meeting in December:
>>>      We did not send Mr. Koerner a counter proposal before the LNC
>>>      meeting,
>>>      though Nick considered doing so.
>>>      As part of that, Nick asked me to survey the LNC members who had
>>>      received the proposal and ask them what, if anything, they 
>>> thought
>>>      the
>>>      LNC should offer for the proposal.
>>>      LNC members responded; I relayed that info to Nick.
>>>      Nick decided not to offer Mr. Koerner a counterproposal, at that
>>>      time,
>>>      for two reasons: 1) LNC members' thoughts on the price they'd be
>>>      willing
>>>      to offer on the proposal were very diverse; 2) we were close 
>>> enough
>>>      to
>>>      the LNC meeting that Nick thought it was best for LNC members to
>>>      discuss
>>>      this in person.
>>>      Lauren
>>>      Lauren Daugherty
>>>      Interim Executive Director
>>>      Libertarian National Committee
>>>      On 12/23/2018 6:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>      >     I would like a straight answer in this.  It can be given
>>>      privately if
>>>      >     it is some confidential thing.
>>>      >
>>>      >     Did we send him a counter-proposal, yes or no?
>>>      >
>>>      >     --