[Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner thing
Whitney Bilyeu
whitney.bilyeu at lp.org
Wed Dec 26 15:17:47 EST 2018
Who called him a liar?
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 6:38 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> You're twisting things. O'Donnell was specifically addressing the
> statement that no one from the LNC contacted Koerner. Which, according
> to O'Donnell, isn't true, as O'Donnell reported that he personally *did*
> contact Koerner. O'Donnell was referring to that particular claim and
> refuting it.
>
> Stop trying to take the statement from one LNC member, where he's
> specifically addressing a particular issue, and twist it into some
> "collective" bad action by the LNC.
>
>
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
>
> On 2018-12-24 23:15, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > We agreed last meeting to present a counteroffer.
> >
> > He got nothing. Not even a thanks but no thanks. And got called a
> > liar for his rep stating this fact.
> >
> > I support an actual respectful answer and a future contingent
> > counter
> > offer.
> >
> > What did happen was grossly unconscionable.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:43 PM [1]john.phillips at lp.org
> > <[2]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I will again disagree.
> > It is common practice throughout the world in both business and
> > personal transactions to NOT make counter offer when you are too far
> > apart. Often for the simple reason to NOT insult the other party.
> > Given the counter proposals discussed any counter offer made would
> > have
> > been as insulting or more than our voting it down.
> > Honestly given the current budget situation we are not in a
> > position
> > to make a counter offer anyway unless some donors step up to
> > specifically fund it, in which case everything changes.
> > So even though I love his idea, I will be voting no if the
> > subject
> > of a counter offer comes up at this time to avoid further insulting
> > Mr
> > Koerner or overextending our finances.
> > Now some of the things that were said in open discussion are a
> > different matter, that I will agree could have gone much better, but
> > given my propensity to speak passionately I am not in much position
> > to
> > criticize, other than I tend to offer an apology when I find out my
> > statements were based on bad information - which was clearly the
> > case
> > in a few of the comments you bring up. We are a group, and
> > apologies
> > for inaccurate statements might be in order.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [3]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 11:40 AM
> > To: [4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner thing
> > I once again call for this to be included in the e-meeting. NOT the
> > proposal. The rude AF way we handled it.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am apoplectic. We treated this man like absolute shit and he was
> >> called
> >> a liar in our meeting.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:09 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> >> [5] lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That being the case, we absolutely need Nick to submit a counter
> >>> proposal crafted by our input. Nick, if you'd like, you can share
> >>> confidentially with the LNC first for input but we have indeed
> >>> done Mr
> >>> Koerner a disservice in light of this clarification from Lauren.
> >>> Thank
> >>> you, Lauren.
> >>> Richard
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [1[6]]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [7]931.538.9300
> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 08:02 Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business
> >>> <[2[8]]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here's what I said at the LNC meeting in December:
> >>> We did not send Mr. Koerner a counter proposal before the LNC
> >>> meeting,
> >>> though Nick considered doing so.
> >>> As part of that, Nick asked me to survey the LNC members who had
> >>> received the proposal and ask them what, if anything, they
> >>> thought
> >>> the
> >>> LNC should offer for the proposal.
> >>> LNC members responded; I relayed that info to Nick.
> >>> Nick decided not to offer Mr. Koerner a counterproposal, at that
> >>> time,
> >>> for two reasons: 1) LNC members' thoughts on the price they'd be
> >>> willing
> >>> to offer on the proposal were very diverse; 2) we were close
> >>> enough
> >>> to
> >>> the LNC meeting that Nick thought it was best for LNC members to
> >>> discuss
> >>> this in person.
> >>> Lauren
> >>> Lauren Daugherty
> >>> Interim Executive Director
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> On 12/23/2018 6:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > I would like a straight answer in this. It can be given
> >>> privately if
> >>> > it is some confidential thing.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did we send him a counter-proposal, yes or no?
> >>> >
> >>> > --
>
>
--
*Whitney Bilyeu*
Libertarian National Committee
Region 7 Representative
281.433.4966
-------------- next part --------------
Who called him a liar?
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 6:38 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
You're twisting things. O'Donnell was specifically addressing the
statement that no one from the LNC contacted Koerner. Which,
according
to O'Donnell, isn't true, as O'Donnell reported that he personally
*did*
contact Koerner. O'Donnell was referring to that particular claim
and
refuting it.
Stop trying to take the statement from one LNC member, where he's
specifically addressing a particular issue, and twist it into some
"collective" bad action by the LNC.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-12-24 23:15, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> We agreed last meeting to present a counteroffer.
>
> He got nothing. Not even a thanks but no thanks. And got
called a
> liar for his rep stating this fact.
>
> I support an actual respectful answer and a future contingent
> counter
> offer.
>
> What did happen was grossly unconscionable.
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:43 PM [1][2]john.phillips at lp.org
> <[2][3]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I will again disagree.
> It is common practice throughout the world in both business
and
> personal transactions to NOT make counter offer when you are
too far
> apart. Often for the simple reason to NOT insult the other
party.
> Given the counter proposals discussed any counter offer made
would
> have
> been as insulting or more than our voting it down.
> Honestly given the current budget situation we are not in a
> position
> to make a counter offer anyway unless some donors step up to
> specifically fund it, in which case everything changes.
> So even though I love his idea, I will be voting no if the
> subject
> of a counter offer comes up at this time to avoid further
insulting
> Mr
> Koerner or overextending our finances.
> Now some of the things that were said in open discussion
are a
> different matter, that I will agree could have gone much
better, but
> given my propensity to speak passionately I am not in much
position
> to
> criticize, other than I tend to offer an apology when I find
out my
> statements were based on bad information - which was clearly
the
> case
> in a few of the comments you bring up. We are a group, and
> apologies
> for inaccurate statements might be in order.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [3]217-412-5973
> ------ Original message------
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 11:40 AM
> To: [4][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner
thing
> I once again call for this to be included in the e-meeting. NOT
the
> proposal. The rude AF way we handled it.
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> wrote:
>
>> I am apoplectic. We treated this man like absolute shit and he
was
>> called
>> a liar in our meeting.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:09 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business <
>> [5] [5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That being the case, we absolutely need Nick to submit a
counter
>>> proposal crafted by our input. Nick, if you'd like, you can
share
>>> confidentially with the LNC first for input but we have
indeed
>>> done Mr
>>> Koerner a disservice in light of this clarification from
Lauren.
>>> Thank
>>> you, Lauren.
>>> Richard
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
WA,
>>> WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [1[6]][6]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [7]931.538.9300
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 08:02 Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business
>>> <[2[8]][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's what I said at the LNC meeting in December:
>>> We did not send Mr. Koerner a counter proposal before the
LNC
>>> meeting,
>>> though Nick considered doing so.
>>> As part of that, Nick asked me to survey the LNC members
who had
>>> received the proposal and ask them what, if anything, they
>>> thought
>>> the
>>> LNC should offer for the proposal.
>>> LNC members responded; I relayed that info to Nick.
>>> Nick decided not to offer Mr. Koerner a counterproposal, at
that
>>> time,
>>> for two reasons: 1) LNC members' thoughts on the price
they'd be
>>> willing
>>> to offer on the proposal were very diverse; 2) we were
close
>>> enough
>>> to
>>> the LNC meeting that Nick thought it was best for LNC
members to
>>> discuss
>>> this in person.
>>> Lauren
>>> Lauren Daugherty
>>> Interim Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> On 12/23/2018 6:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
>>> > I would like a straight answer in this. It can be
given
>>> privately if
>>> > it is some confidential thing.
>>> >
>>> > Did we send him a counter-proposal, yes or no?
>>> >
>>> > --
--
Whitney Bilyeu
Libertarian National Committee
Region 7 Representative
281.433.4966
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
3. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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