[Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner thing
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Wed Dec 26 15:51:34 EST 2018
Whitney let me know a good time, and I’ll call you to discuss. And my
concerns cannot be atomized as if but for that things would be great.
And of course anyone else can call me as well.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:17 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Who called him a liar?
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 6:38 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> You're twisting things. O'Donnell was specifically addressing the
> statement that no one from the LNC contacted Koerner. Which,
> according
> to O'Donnell, isn't true, as O'Donnell reported that he personally
> *did*
> contact Koerner. O'Donnell was referring to that particular claim
> and
> refuting it.
> Stop trying to take the statement from one LNC member, where he's
> specifically addressing a particular issue, and twist it into some
> "collective" bad action by the LNC.
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> On 2018-12-24 23:15, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > We agreed last meeting to present a counteroffer.
> >
> > He got nothing. Not even a thanks but no thanks. And got
> called a
> > liar for his rep stating this fact.
> >
> > I support an actual respectful answer and a future contingent
> > counter
> > offer.
> >
> > What did happen was grossly unconscionable.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:43 PM [1][2]john.phillips at lp.org
> > <[2][3]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I will again disagree.
> > It is common practice throughout the world in both business
> and
> > personal transactions to NOT make counter offer when you are
> too far
> > apart. Often for the simple reason to NOT insult the other
> party.
> > Given the counter proposals discussed any counter offer made
> would
> > have
> > been as insulting or more than our voting it down.
> > Honestly given the current budget situation we are not in a
> > position
> > to make a counter offer anyway unless some donors step up to
> > specifically fund it, in which case everything changes.
> > So even though I love his idea, I will be voting no if the
> > subject
> > of a counter offer comes up at this time to avoid further
> insulting
> > Mr
> > Koerner or overextending our finances.
> > Now some of the things that were said in open discussion
> are a
> > different matter, that I will agree could have gone much
> better, but
> > given my propensity to speak passionately I am not in much
> position
> > to
> > criticize, other than I tend to offer an apology when I find
> out my
> > statements were based on bad information - which was clearly
> the
> > case
> > in a few of the comments you bring up. We are a group, and
> > apologies
> > for inaccurate statements might be in order.
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell [3]217-412-5973
> > ------ Original message------
> > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> > Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 11:40 AM
> > To: [4][4]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner
> thing
> > I once again call for this to be included in the e-meeting. NOT
> the
> > proposal. The rude AF way we handled it.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am apoplectic. We treated this man like absolute shit and he
> was
> >> called
> >> a liar in our meeting.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:09 AM Richard Longstreth via
> Lnc-business <
> >> [5] [5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> That being the case, we absolutely need Nick to submit a
> counter
> >>> proposal crafted by our input. Nick, if you'd like, you can
> share
> >>> confidentially with the LNC first for input but we have
> indeed
> >>> done Mr
> >>> Koerner a disservice in light of this clarification from
> Lauren.
> >>> Thank
> >>> you, Lauren.
> >>> Richard
> >>> Richard Longstreth
> >>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT,
> WA,
> >>> WY)
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> [1[6]][6]richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >>> [7]931.538.9300
> >>> Sent from my Mobile Device
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 08:02 Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business
> >>> <[2[8]][7]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here's what I said at the LNC meeting in December:
> >>> We did not send Mr. Koerner a counter proposal before the
> LNC
> >>> meeting,
> >>> though Nick considered doing so.
> >>> As part of that, Nick asked me to survey the LNC members
> who had
> >>> received the proposal and ask them what, if anything, they
> >>> thought
> >>> the
> >>> LNC should offer for the proposal.
> >>> LNC members responded; I relayed that info to Nick.
> >>> Nick decided not to offer Mr. Koerner a counterproposal, at
> that
> >>> time,
> >>> for two reasons: 1) LNC members' thoughts on the price
> they'd be
> >>> willing
> >>> to offer on the proposal were very diverse; 2) we were
> close
> >>> enough
> >>> to
> >>> the LNC meeting that Nick thought it was best for LNC
> members to
> >>> discuss
> >>> this in person.
> >>> Lauren
> >>> Lauren Daugherty
> >>> Interim Executive Director
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> On 12/23/2018 6:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> wrote:
> >>> > I would like a straight answer in this. It can be
> given
> >>> privately if
> >>> > it is some confidential thing.
> >>> >
> >>> > Did we send him a counter-proposal, yes or no?
> >>> >
> >>> > --
>
> --
>
> Whitney Bilyeu
> Libertarian National Committee
> Region 7 Representative
> 281.433.4966
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
> 3. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
> 4. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 6. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 7. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>
--
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*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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Whitney let me know a good time, and I’ll call you to discuss. And my
concerns cannot be atomized as if but for that things would be great.
And of course anyone else can call me as well.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:17 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Who called him a liar?
On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 6:38 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via
Lnc-business
<[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
You're twisting things. O'Donnell was specifically addressing
the
statement that no one from the LNC contacted Koerner. Which,
according
to O'Donnell, isn't true, as O'Donnell reported that he
personally
*did*
contact Koerner. O'Donnell was referring to that particular
claim
and
refuting it.
Stop trying to take the statement from one LNC member, where
he's
specifically addressing a particular issue, and twist it into
some
"collective" bad action by the LNC.
---
Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2018-12-24 23:15, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> We agreed last meeting to present a counteroffer.
>
> He got nothing. Not even a thanks but no thanks. And got
called a
> liar for his rep stating this fact.
>
> I support an actual respectful answer and a future
contingent
> counter
> offer.
>
> What did happen was grossly unconscionable.
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:43 PM
[1][2][3]john.phillips at lp.org
> <[2][3][4]john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I will again disagree.
> It is common practice throughout the world in both
business
and
> personal transactions to NOT make counter offer when you
are
too far
> apart. Often for the simple reason to NOT insult the
other
party.
> Given the counter proposals discussed any counter offer
made
would
> have
> been as insulting or more than our voting it down.
> Honestly given the current budget situation we are not
in a
> position
> to make a counter offer anyway unless some donors step up
to
> specifically fund it, in which case everything changes.
> So even though I love his idea, I will be voting no if
the
> subject
> of a counter offer comes up at this time to avoid further
insulting
> Mr
> Koerner or overextending our finances.
> Now some of the things that were said in open
discussion
are a
> different matter, that I will agree could have gone much
better, but
> given my propensity to speak passionately I am not in much
position
> to
> criticize, other than I tend to offer an apology when I
find
out my
> statements were based on bad information - which was
clearly
the
> case
> in a few of the comments you bring up. We are a group,
and
> apologies
> for inaccurate statements might be in order.
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell [3]217-412-5973
> ------ Original message------
> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 11:40 AM
> To: [4][4][5]lnc-business at hq.lp.org;
> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;
> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Get to the facts on the Koerner
thing
> I once again call for this to be included in the e-meeting.
NOT
the
> proposal. The rude AF way we handled it.
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:39 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> wrote:
>
>> I am apoplectic. We treated this man like absolute shit and
he
was
>> called
>> a liar in our meeting.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:09 AM Richard Longstreth via
Lnc-business <
>> [5] [5][6]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That being the case, we absolutely need Nick to submit a
counter
>>> proposal crafted by our input. Nick, if you'd like, you
can
share
>>> confidentially with the LNC first for input but we have
indeed
>>> done Mr
>>> Koerner a disservice in light of this clarification from
Lauren.
>>> Thank
>>> you, Lauren.
>>> Richard
>>> Richard Longstreth
>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI,
UT,
WA,
>>> WY)
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> [1[6]][6][7]richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> [7]931.538.9300
>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 08:02 Lauren Daugherty via
Lnc-business
>>> <[2[8]][7][8]lnc-business at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's what I said at the LNC meeting in December:
>>> We did not send Mr. Koerner a counter proposal before
the
LNC
>>> meeting,
>>> though Nick considered doing so.
>>> As part of that, Nick asked me to survey the LNC
members
who had
>>> received the proposal and ask them what, if anything,
they
>>> thought
>>> the
>>> LNC should offer for the proposal.
>>> LNC members responded; I relayed that info to Nick.
>>> Nick decided not to offer Mr. Koerner a
counterproposal, at
that
>>> time,
>>> for two reasons: 1) LNC members' thoughts on the price
they'd be
>>> willing
>>> to offer on the proposal were very diverse; 2) we were
close
>>> enough
>>> to
>>> the LNC meeting that Nick thought it was best for LNC
members to
>>> discuss
>>> this in person.
>>> Lauren
>>> Lauren Daugherty
>>> Interim Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> On 12/23/2018 6:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
Lnc-business
wrote:
>>> > I would like a straight answer in this. It can
be
given
>>> privately if
>>> > it is some confidential thing.
>>> >
>>> > Did we send him a counter-proposal, yes or no?
>>> >
>>> > --
--
Whitney Bilyeu
Libertarian National Committee
Region 7 Representative
281.433.4966
References
1. mailto:[9]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:[10]john.phillips at lp.org
3. mailto:[11]john.phillips at lp.org
4. mailto:[12]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
5. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:[14]richard.longstreth at lp.org
7. mailto:[15]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
--
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Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary - [16]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [17]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=======================================================================
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [18]http://www.LP.org
=======================================================================
==
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
4. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
5. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
6. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
7. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
8. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
9. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
10. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
11. mailto:john.phillips at lp.org
12. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:richard.longstreth at lp.org
15. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
16. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
17. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
18. http://www.lp.org/
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