[Lnc-business] Fwd: Koerner proposal
Caryn Ann Harlos
caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Fri Dec 28 01:58:36 EST 2018
Jeff, and here again it goes.
Quite obviously, Lauren believes she did all that she was asked - that was
never in doubt by me - and no one called her - in public - a liar.
It is quite apparent that both sides interpreted things entirely
differently and *no one is a liar and no one should have been called one,
and it should not be our practice to do that.* Hell, the motion was even
made in a derogatory way. Everyone else may be perfectly happy with that.
I have heard all kinds of things from "that's how things are done" and "he
isn't a member of the Party anyways" and none of that means a thing. How
things are done is no better than "'its the law" and party membership for
treating people and not besmirching their intergrity is no better than
tribalism.
To some people there is nothing worse than being called liar, for your name
and your reputation are all you really have.
I considered this over and am responding only because you did not
accurately state my issue, and I must assume (since neither of us are
trying to purposefully do anything amiss) that this is a fault in my early
communication.
Hopefully I am clear. I encourage everyone to go re-watch that portion of
the meeting and see if they are proud of us. Lauren certainly was not
treated the best either - things were in such a rush that no one got a
chance to make sure we were all talking about the same thing.
I honestly don't care if I am the only one on this body who found it
mortifying. Multiple members of the gallery certainly did. I will stand
on my principle that we as Libertarians should model excellence in business.
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:10 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>
> Ms. Daugherty reports that she has complied with the directions from the
> LNC in PHX and she has contacted Mr. Koerner on behalf of Chairman
> Sarwark on several occasions to provide updates. The other members of
> the LNC have had plenty of opportunity to speak to Mr. Koerner and those
> who felt so inclined have done so. I think Ms. Daugherty is the one here
> owed an apology. She has kept all of us very well informed of her every
> communication, and has done so as effectively. Still, she has suffered
> being ignored in person and on this thread while she repeatedly tried to
> assert that she did in fact do the job that was asked of her. That is
> what talking past someone looks like. I am seeing the exact same
> discussions we were having in October, right after the meeting, still
> happening now. Clearly, this topic has been beaten to death. Lets call
> the question, any question, somebody find out what the actual question
> is, to move this in a productive direction.
>
> Personally, I think marketing is important and something that we need to
> focus on improving. I was as impressed by the presentation as most
> people were. However, I don't think this is a viable or salvageable
> deal, and would urge everyone to vote "No" on the original proposal and
> any subsequent offer, until our employees are secure in their wages and
> our existing essential programs are properly funded. Mr. Koerner offers
> little help with the implementation of this idea, and we simply do not
> have the labor or funds to spare on new projects at this time, no matter
> what the price tag is. I don't know how anyone present at that budget
> meeting holding people's paychecks and livelihood in their hands as well
> as the financial future of this organization could possibly question
> that.
>
> I would propose we finally move to a vote: whether to decline the
> proposal without counter-offer, and inform Mr. Koerner that we regret we
> are not able to find a mutually beneficial path forward based on our
> understanding of his expectations. Mr. Koerner is aware of what the
> situation is on our side of the table. He is well equipped to proceed to
> a new ask or, much more likely- to decide to suspend negotiations until
> matters change.
>
>
> In Liberty,
> Jeff Lyons
> LNC 8 ALT
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-12-27 22:49, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > It seems to me there was a colossal case of speaking past each other
> > that we should not keep digging the hole deeper and a phone call
> > with
> > all interested parties set up to clear the air.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:25 PM Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business
> > <[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > Robin and I talked multiple times between the Phoenix LNC meeting
> > and
> > the Alexandria LNC meeting.
> > I asked him for a proposal, based on the parameters Nick had asked
> > for;
> > Robin sent it. I offered it to LNC members and sent it to those
> > who
> > asked to see it. I then facilitated the conversation among LNC
> > members
> > about the proposal.
> > I summarized to Nick the feedback I'd received from LNC members. I
> > asked
> > Nick if he'd like to pursue a counter proposal. He asked me to ask
> > the
> > LNC members who had received the proposal if they had thoughts on
> > what
> > would be an appropriate counter offer. I did that, and relayed the
> > results to Nick.
> > Nick said that given that there was no general consensus from the
> > LNC
> > about a counter offer, and since we were so close to the LNC
> > meeting,
> > that he did not want to make a counter offer at that time.
> > I told Robin that if there was a counter proposal or offer, I'd
> > send
> > it
> > to him straight away. And I also told him very candidly, on
> > multiple
> > occasions, about the party's current financial situation. He said
> > he
> > understood.
> > It should also be noted that all of this was going on during the
> > height
> > of election season.
> > Lauren Daugherty
> > Interim Executive Director
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > On 12/27/2018 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > Hi Resa, I apologize, it was my misunderstanding that you
> > were
> > there as
> > > his representative based upon how Joshua asked if we wished
> > to
> > hear
> > > from you.
> > > As you know I too am very disappointed at how this was
> > handled, and I
> > > would hope that we as a body conduct ourselves better in the
> > future. I
> > > respect Robin greatly, and I hope this has not soured his
> > desire to
> > > work with the Party.
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > From: Resa Willis <[1][2]resa.willis at yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM
> > > Subject: Koerner proposal
> > > To: <[2][3]secretary at lp.org>
> > > I wanted to clarify something after reading the email chain
> > regarding
> > > this agenda item from the December meeting.
> > > It indicates that I was there as Robin’s rep. I was not, as
> > it
> > was not
> > > my place to represent him; that was strictly between Lauren
> > and Robin.
> > > I had no part in the proposal, the negotiations, or any
> > other
> > facet of
> > > this besides promoting it on social media. The only official
> > > correspondence was supposed to be between the parties
> > aforementioned. I
> > > attended the meeting simply as a member of the gallery.
> > Robin
> > did not
> > > place me in a role of official proxy.
> > > The very last contact Robin had with the LNC was during the
> > Phoenix
> > > meeting, and no other attempt was made to reach out to him
> > before the
> > > December meeting. I felt placed in a very awkward position
> > in
> > > Alexandria being asked how to handle the proposal, and felt
> > awkwardly
> > > obligated to speak to the lack of negotiations after such
> > > misinformation was spread on the matter.
> > > I’m very disappointed in how this was handled- negotiations
> > never took
> > > place, misinformation was spread, and gross assumptions were
> > made.
> > > Moreover, the crude manner in which it was handled at the
> > meeting
> > > itself shook my confidence in how leadership handles these
> > issues. This
> > > was unprofessional, and I expected better of our leaders. If
> > any
> > > further clarification is needed on this proposal going
> > forward, my hope
> > > is that the members of the LNC will reach out to Mr. Koerner
> > directly.
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Resa Willis
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > --
> > > In Liberty,
> > >
> > [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> > > Secretary - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> > > at [4][4]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > >
> >
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> > Re-Legalize
> > > All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
> > All Gun
> > > Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
> > Abolish The
> > > Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS
> > and
> > Repeal
> > > the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
> > Free-market
> > > Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
> > Schools To
> > > The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> > > VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [5][5]http://www.LP.org
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> >
> > ====================================================================
> > ===
> > > ==
> > >
> > > References
> > >
> > > 1. mailto:[6]resa.willis at yahoo.com
> > > 2. mailto:[7]secretary at lp.org
> > > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > > 4. [9]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > > 5. [10]http://www.lp.org/
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > In Liberty,
> > [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> > Secretary - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> > at [12]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >
> > =======================================================================
> > ==
> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> > Re-Legalize
> > All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
> > Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
> > Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and
> > Repeal
> > the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
> > Free-market
> > Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
> > The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> > VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [13]http://www.LP.org
> >
> > =======================================================================
> > ==
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> > 2. mailto:resa.willis at yahoo.com
> > 3. mailto:secretary at lp.org
> > 4. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > 5. http://www.LP.org/
> > 6. mailto:resa.willis at yahoo.com
> > 7. mailto:secretary at lp.org
> > 8. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 9. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > 10. http://www.lp.org/
> > 11. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 12. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > 13. http://www.lp.org/
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Jeff Lyons
>
> Region 8 Alternate
> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
>
> Libertarian Assoc. of MA
> State Chair
> http://www.lpmass.org/join
>
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
=========================================================================
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Jeff, and here again it goes.
Quite obviously, Lauren believes she did all that she was asked - that
was never in doubt by me - and no one called her - in public - a liar.
It is quite apparent that both sides interpreted things entirely
differently and no one is a liar and no one should have been called
one, and it should not be our practice to do that. Hell, the motion
was even made in a derogatory way. Everyone else may be perfectly
happy with that. I have heard all kinds of things from "that's how
things are done" and "he isn't a member of the Party anyways" and none
of that means a thing. How things are done is no better than "'its the
law" and party membership for treating people and not besmirching their
intergrity is no better than tribalism.
To some people there is nothing worse than being called liar, for your
name and your reputation are all you really have.
I considered this over and am responding only because you did not
accurately state my issue, and I must assume (since neither of us are
trying to purposefully do anything amiss) that this is a fault in my
early communication.
Hopefully I am clear. I encourage everyone to go re-watch that portion
of the meeting and see if they are proud of us. Lauren certainly was
not treated the best either - things were in such a rush that no one
got a chance to make sure we were all talking about the same thing.
I honestly don't care if I am the only one on this body who found it
mortifying. Multiple members of the gallery certainly did. I will
stand on my principle that we as Libertarians should model excellence
in business.
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:10 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business
<[1]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
Ms. Daugherty reports that she has complied with the directions from
the
LNC in PHX and she has contacted Mr. Koerner on behalf of Chairman
Sarwark on several occasions to provide updates. The other members
of
the LNC have had plenty of opportunity to speak to Mr. Koerner and
those
who felt so inclined have done so. I think Ms. Daugherty is the one
here
owed an apology. She has kept all of us very well informed of her
every
communication, and has done so as effectively. Still, she has
suffered
being ignored in person and on this thread while she repeatedly
tried to
assert that she did in fact do the job that was asked of her. That
is
what talking past someone looks like. I am seeing the exact same
discussions we were having in October, right after the meeting,
still
happening now. Clearly, this topic has been beaten to death. Lets
call
the question, any question, somebody find out what the actual
question
is, to move this in a productive direction.
Personally, I think marketing is important and something that we
need to
focus on improving. I was as impressed by the presentation as most
people were. However, I don't think this is a viable or salvageable
deal, and would urge everyone to vote "No" on the original proposal
and
any subsequent offer, until our employees are secure in their wages
and
our existing essential programs are properly funded. Mr. Koerner
offers
little help with the implementation of this idea, and we simply do
not
have the labor or funds to spare on new projects at this time, no
matter
what the price tag is. I don't know how anyone present at that
budget
meeting holding people's paychecks and livelihood in their hands as
well
as the financial future of this organization could possibly question
that.
I would propose we finally move to a vote: whether to decline the
proposal without counter-offer, and inform Mr. Koerner that we
regret we
are not able to find a mutually beneficial path forward based on our
understanding of his expectations. Mr. Koerner is aware of what the
situation is on our side of the table. He is well equipped to
proceed to
a new ask or, much more likely- to decide to suspend negotiations
until
matters change.
In Liberty,
Jeff Lyons
LNC 8 ALT
On 2018-12-27 22:49, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> It seems to me there was a colossal case of speaking past each
other
> that we should not keep digging the hole deeper and a phone
call
> with
> all interested parties set up to clear the air.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:25 PM Lauren Daugherty via
Lnc-business
> <[1][2]lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> Robin and I talked multiple times between the Phoenix LNC
meeting
> and
> the Alexandria LNC meeting.
> I asked him for a proposal, based on the parameters Nick had
asked
> for;
> Robin sent it. I offered it to LNC members and sent it to
those
> who
> asked to see it. I then facilitated the conversation among
LNC
> members
> about the proposal.
> I summarized to Nick the feedback I'd received from LNC
members. I
> asked
> Nick if he'd like to pursue a counter proposal. He asked me
to ask
> the
> LNC members who had received the proposal if they had
thoughts on
> what
> would be an appropriate counter offer. I did that, and
relayed the
> results to Nick.
> Nick said that given that there was no general consensus from
the
> LNC
> about a counter offer, and since we were so close to the LNC
> meeting,
> that he did not want to make a counter offer at that time.
> I told Robin that if there was a counter proposal or offer,
I'd
> send
> it
> to him straight away. And I also told him very candidly, on
> multiple
> occasions, about the party's current financial situation. He
said
> he
> understood.
> It should also be noted that all of this was going on during
the
> height
> of election season.
> Lauren Daugherty
> Interim Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee
> On 12/27/2018 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
wrote:
> > Hi Resa, I apologize, it was my misunderstanding that
you
> were
> there as
> > his representative based upon how Joshua asked if we
wished
> to
> hear
> > from you.
> > As you know I too am very disappointed at how this was
> handled, and I
> > would hope that we as a body conduct ourselves better
in the
> future. I
> > respect Robin greatly, and I hope this has not soured
his
> desire to
> > work with the Party.
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Resa Willis <[1][2][3]resa.willis at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Koerner proposal
> > To: <[2][3][4]secretary at lp.org>
> > I wanted to clarify something after reading the email
chain
> regarding
> > this agenda item from the December meeting.
> > It indicates that I was there as Robin’s rep. I was
not, as
> it
> was not
> > my place to represent him; that was strictly between
Lauren
> and Robin.
> > I had no part in the proposal, the negotiations, or any
> other
> facet of
> > this besides promoting it on social media. The only
official
> > correspondence was supposed to be between the parties
> aforementioned. I
> > attended the meeting simply as a member of the gallery.
> Robin
> did not
> > place me in a role of official proxy.
> > The very last contact Robin had with the LNC was during
the
> Phoenix
> > meeting, and no other attempt was made to reach out to
him
> before the
> > December meeting. I felt placed in a very awkward
position
> in
> > Alexandria being asked how to handle the proposal, and
felt
> awkwardly
> > obligated to speak to the lack of negotiations after
such
> > misinformation was spread on the matter.
> > I’m very disappointed in how this was handled-
negotiations
> never took
> > place, misinformation was spread, and gross assumptions
were
> made.
> > Moreover, the crude manner in which it was handled at
the
> meeting
> > itself shook my confidence in how leadership handles
these
> issues. This
> > was unprofessional, and I expected better of our
leaders. If
> any
> > further clarification is needed on this proposal going
> forward, my hope
> > is that the members of the LNC will reach out to Mr.
Koerner
> directly.
> > Respectfully,
> > Resa Willis
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> >
> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> > Secretary - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or
Secretary at LP.org.
> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -
LPedia at LP.org
> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure
page
> > at [4][4][5]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >
>
>
====================================================================
> ===
> > ==
> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations *
Non-interventionism *
> Re-Legalize
> > All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom *
Repeal
> All Gun
> > Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money
*
> Abolish The
> > Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The
IRS
> and
> Repeal
> > the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation
Infrastructure *
> Free-market
> > Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer
Government
> Schools To
> > The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> > VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or
[5][5][6]http://www.LP.org
> >
>
>
====================================================================
> ===
> > ==
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:[6][7]resa.willis at yahoo.com
> > 2. mailto:[7][8]secretary at lp.org
> > 3. mailto:[8]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> > 4. [9][9]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> > 5. [10][10]http://www.lp.org/
> >
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
> [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
> Secretary - [11]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
> at [12][11]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
>
====================================================================
===
> ==
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
> Re-Legalize
> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal
All Gun
> Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money *
Abolish The
> Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and
> Repeal
> the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure *
> Free-market
> Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government
Schools To
> The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
> VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [13][12]http://www.LP.org
>
>
====================================================================
===
> ==
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:[13]lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> 2. mailto:[14]resa.willis at yahoo.com
> 3. mailto:[15]secretary at lp.org
> 4. [16]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 5. [17]http://www.LP.org/
> 6. mailto:[18]resa.willis at yahoo.com
> 7. mailto:[19]secretary at lp.org
> 8. mailto:[20]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 9. [21]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 10. [22]http://www.lp.org/
> 11. mailto:[23]Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
> 12. [24]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 13. [25]http://www.lp.org/
--
In Liberty,
Jeff Lyons
Region 8 Alternate
[26]https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
Libertarian Assoc. of MA
State Chair
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--
In Liberty,
[uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download]
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee
Secretary - [28]Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page
at [29]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=======================================================================
==
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal
the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To
The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [30]http://www.LP.org
=======================================================================
==
References
1. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
2. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
3. mailto:resa.willis at yahoo.com
4. mailto:secretary at lp.org
5. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
6. http://www.LP.org/
7. mailto:resa.willis at yahoo.com
8. mailto:secretary at lp.org
9. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
10. http://www.lp.org/
11. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
12. http://www.LP.org/
13. mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org
14. mailto:resa.willis at yahoo.com
15. mailto:secretary at lp.org
16. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
17. http://www.LP.org/
18. mailto:resa.willis at yahoo.com
19. mailto:secretary at lp.org
20. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
21. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
22. http://www.lp.org/
23. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
24. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
25. http://www.lp.org/
26. https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
27. http://www.lpmass.org/join
28. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
29. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
30. http://www.lp.org/
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