[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

No idea what you're going on about.  I'd planned to vote no on any
resolution.    

Justin is the one who wanted to do tit for tat, and I called him on it
out on FB.  

My agreeing with him should've been clarified as agreeing with:

"...The discussion of this and other
> resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
> current business of the party and of this board, which should be
> working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
> well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
> 

Also, knock off the accusations and smear tactics of other LNC members,
when they don't vote the way you want.  There's no need to jab at other
members of the LNC each time you don't like their votes. 

-
Elizabeth Van Horn 

On 2019-02-04 16:29, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

> I vote yes. 
> 
> While I think the body was wrong in its statements of such and such being in the platform, retaliatory voting is childish and unless those folks now post-hoc withdraw their support from the property resolution, disingenuous.   
> 
> It is nonsense that time is wasted.  It gives our staff items to promote.  Our resolutions are used to fund-raise. The only time taken is the Secretary's and this Secretary doesn't mind in the slightest. 
> 
> An eye for an eye leaves both men blind.  Get your digs in during debate but voting no because a prior resolution list is not appropriate. 
> 
> Our members deserve better than revenge voting. 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:34 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
> 
>> I vote no.
>> 
>> (Also, I second everything Justin said.)
>> 
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> 
>> On 2019-02-04 14:38, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> I will abstain from this motion.
>>> 
>>> Beyond my opinion on the matter, the stances of the Libertarian Party
>>> regarding private property, the use of law, and immigration, are
>>> already well stated within our platform, and do not need reiteration
>>> in the form of a resolution. This course of action has previously been
>>> condemned by members of this very body when it came to resolutions
>>> we've discussed in the past. The discussion of this and other
>>> resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
>>> current business of the party and of this board, which should be
>>> working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
>>> well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Yours in Liberty,
>>> 
>>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
>>> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
>>> 
>>> Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>>> 
>>> On 2019-02-04 00:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>> 
>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 10, 2019 at 11: 
>>>> 59:59 pm
>>>> Pacific time.
>>>> 
>>>> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillipos
>>>> 
>>>> =============================================
>>>> 
>>>> Motion:
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role of 
>>>> law is
>>>> in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the 
>>>> initiation
>>>> of force or fraud;
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, no individual has a natural right to prohibit consensual
>>>> visitation to or consensual habitation on the private property of 
>>>> another
>>>> individual;
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that eminent domain is a 
>>>> violation
>>>> of private property rights;
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, we affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards 
>>>> they
>>>> wish for entry onto their own private property but not that owned by 
>>>> others;
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural rights
>>>> regardless of their citizenship;
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds that any concerns related to the
>>>> border, valid or otherwise, are better addressed by removing the root
>>>> causes of such concerns.  Actions such as ending the War on Drugs,
>>>> decriminalization of sex work, ending the welfare state, and allowing 
>>>> free
>>>> trade would not only address those concerns but do so in a budget 
>>>> positive
>>>> way rather than costing billions;
>>>> 
>>>> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom 
>>>> demands
>>>> the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
>>>> national borders:
>>>> 
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party condemns and
>>>> opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it through 
>>>> Congress
>>>> or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration of 
>>>> emergency.
>>>> 
>>>> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party supports the natural
>>>> right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any reason,
>>>> subject only to rights of other individuals to control their own 
>>>> privately
>>>> owned property.
>>>> =============================================
>>>> 
>>>> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>>>> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the 
>>>> manual
>>>> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>>>> 
>>>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> 
>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- 
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> -- 
> 
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> __ 
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