[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 4 17:16:59 EST 2019

Quicker than I thought.  I should have took the bet.  My bet was two hours.

One and done wasn’t speaking to you.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:04 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> No idea what you're going on about.  I'd planned to vote no on any
> resolution.
>
> Justin is the one who wanted to do tit for tat, and I called him on it out
> on FB.
>
> My agreeing with him should've been clarified as agreeing with:
>
> "...The discussion of this and other
> > resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
> > current business of the party and of this board, which should be
> > working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
> > well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
> >
>
> Also, knock off the accusations and smear tactics of other LNC members,
> when they don't vote the way you want.  There's no need to jab at other
> members of the LNC each time you don't like their votes.
> -
> Elizabeth Van Horn
>
> On 2019-02-04 16:29, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I vote yes.
>
> While I think the body was wrong in its statements of such and such being
> in the platform, retaliatory voting is childish and unless those folks now
> post-hoc withdraw their support from the property resolution, disingenuous.
>
>
> It is nonsense that time is wasted.  It gives our staff items to promote.
> Our resolutions are used to fund-raise. The only time taken is the
> Secretary's and this Secretary doesn't mind in the slightest.
>
> An eye for an eye leaves both men blind.  Get your digs in during debate
> but voting no because a prior resolution list is not appropriate.
>
> Our members deserve better than revenge voting.
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:34 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I vote no.
>>
>> (Also, I second everything Justin said.)
>>
>> ---
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>
>>
>> On 2019-02-04 14:38, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > I will abstain from this motion.
>> >
>> > Beyond my opinion on the matter, the stances of the Libertarian Party
>> > regarding private property, the use of law, and immigration, are
>> > already well stated within our platform, and do not need reiteration
>> > in the form of a resolution. This course of action has previously been
>> > condemned by members of this very body when it came to resolutions
>> > we've discussed in the past. The discussion of this and other
>> > resolutions at the current time are unnecessary distractions from the
>> > current business of the party and of this board, which should be
>> > working towards growth, outreach, and settling our financial debt, as
>> > well as supporting our affiliates and candidates.
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Yours in Liberty,
>> >
>> > Justin O'Donnell
>> > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
>> > www.justinodonnell.me
>> >
>> > Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>> >
>> > On 2019-02-04 00:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >>
>> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 10, 2019 at 11:
>> >> 59:59 pm
>> >> Pacific time.
>> >>
>> >> Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillipos
>> >>
>> >> =============================================
>> >>
>> >> Motion:
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role of
>> >> law is
>> >> in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the
>> >> initiation
>> >> of force or fraud;
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, no individual has a natural right to prohibit consensual
>> >> visitation to or consensual habitation on the private property of
>> >> another
>> >> individual;
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that eminent domain is a
>> >> violation
>> >> of private property rights;
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, we affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards
>> >> they
>> >> wish for entry onto their own private property but not that owned by
>> >> others;
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural rights
>> >> regardless of their citizenship;
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party holds that any concerns related to the
>> >> border, valid or otherwise, are better addressed by removing the root
>> >> causes of such concerns.  Actions such as ending the War on Drugs,
>> >> decriminalization of sex work, ending the welfare state, and allowing
>> >> free
>> >> trade would not only address those concerns but do so in a budget
>> >> positive
>> >> way rather than costing billions;
>> >>
>> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom
>> >> demands
>> >> the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
>> >> national borders:
>> >>
>> >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party condemns and
>> >> opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it through
>> >> Congress
>> >> or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration of
>> >> emergency.
>> >>
>> >> BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party supports the natural
>> >> right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any reason,
>> >> subject only to rights of other individuals to control their own
>> >> privately
>> >> owned property.
>> >> =============================================
>> >>
>> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> >> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to the
>> >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>> >> manual
>> >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>> >>
>> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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