[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Caryn Ann Harlos caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
Mon Feb 11 16:16:27 EST 2019 

I will alert the Chair that you raised a Point of Order

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I can’t make rulings.  The proper procedure is to raise a point of order
> to the Chair.
>
> I will note this has been the LNC practice for the four years I’ve been
> observing.  Further, this is not what happens at meetings.  You do not see
> the Chair scanning the room to see if an alternate is present every time a
> regional objects.
>
> The purpose is for an alt to participate when a regional is not “at the
> table.”  By registering an abstention Mr. O’Donnel registered a “present”
>
> I would also note that the notation was in my voting tally sheet for days
> to avoid issues like this and nothing was said.  Other people may have
> changed their votes or the Chair may have voted if the count was different
> - that is why I urge everyone to review during voting.
>
> I lastly submit that I think the sharing of the personal correspondence in
> bad taste.  I would not be happy if I found out my peers called my
> resolution “stupid” and I would remind everyone this was submitted by a
> member to whom we serve.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:20 PM Justin O'Donnell <justin.odonnell at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> If need be for procedural reasons, I will move the appeal on Mr Lyons'
>> Behalf.
>>
>> ---
>> Yours in Liberty,
>>
>> Justin O'Donnell
>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
>> www.justinodonnell.me
>>
>> Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>>
>> On 2019-02-11 14:05, Jeff Lyons wrote:
>> > All,
>> >
>> >      I would like to Appeal the Secretary's ruling and Raise a Point
>> > of Order.  Not because I want to override the near 3/4 support for
>> > this resolution, but because it was in fact Mr. O'Donnell's intention
>> > to not be counted, and allow me as alternate to express a more
>> > strongly held conviction in my vote casting (albeit only slightly),
>> > and I think this should fall under our Policy Manual:
>> >
>> >  "Section 1.01 GENERAL DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY
>> >
>> > 1) Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings
>> >
>> > Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC
>> > meetings is permitted."
>> >
>> >      Roberts Rules does not have much on the topic of alternates in
>> > the way we use them.  In my view, an Abstention on an Electronic Mail
>> > Ballot should automatically defer to the Alternate, because that is
>> > what alternates are for.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your consideration, sorry for being a pain, but both LNC 8
>> > Reps were generally against this resolution and should ultimately be
>> > counted as such.
>> >
>> > Very Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Jeff Lyons
>> >
>> > LNC 8A
>> >
>> > Get Outlook for Android [1]
>> >
>> > Get Outlook for Android [1]
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"
>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Actually now that I see this takes 3/4 votes, and 14 * .75 = 10.5,
>> >> and the motion should then fail?
>> >>
>> >> -Jeff Lyons
>> >>
>> >> LNC 8A
>> >>
>> >> Get Outlook for Android
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:14 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mrs. Harlos,
>> >>
>> >> It doesn't effect the result but Mr. O'Donnell abstained, and
>> >> as the alternate I voted No.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> -Jeff Lyons
>> >>
>> >> Get Outlook for Android
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:38 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> >> Lnc-business"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Voting has ENDED for the email *BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration
>> >> Resolution*
>> >>
>> >> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
>> >>
>> >> *Motion:* Move to adopt the following resolution:
>> >>
>> >> *WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role
>> >> of law
>> >> is in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the
>> >> initiation of force or fraud; WHEREAS, no individual has a natural
>> >> right to
>> >> prohibit consensual visitation to or consensual habitation on the
>> >> private
>> >> property of another individual; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
>> >> believes
>> >> that eminent domain is a violation of private property rights;
>> >> WHEREAS, we
>> >> affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards they wish
>> >> for
>> >> entry onto their own private property but not that owned by others;
>> >> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural
>> >> rights
>> >> regardless of their citizenship; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
>> >> holds that
>> >> any concerns related to the border, valid or otherwise, are better
>> >> addressed by removing the root causes of such concerns. Actions such
>> >> as
>> >> ending the War on Drugs, decriminalization of sex work, ending the
>> >> welfare
>> >> state, and allowing free trade would not only address those
>> >> concerns, but
>> >> do so in a budget positive way rather than costing billions;
>> >> WHEREAS, the
>> >> Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom demands the
>> >> unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
>> >> national
>> >> borders: NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party
>> >> condemns
>> >> and opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it
>> >> through
>> >> congress or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration
>> >> of
>> >> emergency. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party
>> >> supports the
>> >> natural right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any
>> >> reason, subject only to rights of other individuals to control their
>> >> own
>> >> privately owned property.*
>> >>
>> >> *Co-Sponsors: * Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
>> >>
>> >> *Voting "aye":*  Bilyeu, Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Harlos, Hewitt,
>> >> Lark,
>> >> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips, Redpath
>> >>
>> >> *Voting "nay": *Mattson, Smith, Van Horn
>> >>
>> >> *Express Abstention:*  O''Donnell
>> >>
>> >> *No Vote Cast:* Hagan, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark
>> >>
>> >> With a final vote tally of 10-3-1 the motion *PASSED.*
>> >>
>> >> *Note: * Secretary's Notes: Public policy resolutions require a 3/4
>> >> vote as
>> >> per Bylaw 7.11. There were thirteen votes cast (excluding the one
>> >> abstention) which would set the 3/4 threshold at 10. The "aye" votes
>> >> met
>> >> that threshold.
>> >>
>> >> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>> >> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to
>> >> the
>> >> actual ballot cast for verification.
>> >>
>> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:57 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Joshua is having email troubles and sent me a screenshot of his
>> >> email to
>> >>> record.  He has tried sending to the list and to me personally and
>> >> none
>> >>> have gotten through.  He votes no.  See attached.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:16 PM Jeff Hewitt  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I vote Yes on the resolution. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2019-02-10 07:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >>>>> Reminder on this ballot ending today.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do not record votes from Hagan, Hewitt/Olsen, Lark/Hogarth,
>> >>>>> Longstreth/Bowden, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark, Smith
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:32 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
>> >>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I vote yes.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>> >> *-
>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>> >>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >>>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> >>>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >>>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>> >> Re-Legalize
>> >>>>> All
>> >>>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All
>> >> Gun Laws *
>> >>>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The
>> >> Fed * End
>> >>>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>> >> Income
>> >>>>> Tax
>> >>>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market
>> >> Emergency
>> >>>>> Services
>> >>>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
>> >> Sector *
>> >>>>> Eliminate Regulation *
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> >>>>> *
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>>
>> >>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>> >>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> >>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>> >> Re-Legalize All
>> >>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>> >> Laws *
>> >>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed
>> >> * End
>> >>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>> >> Income Tax
>> >>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> >> Services
>> >>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
>> >> Sector *
>> >>> Eliminate Regulation *
>> >>>
>> >>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>> >> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> >> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>> >> Re-Legalize All
>> >> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>> >> Laws *
>> >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
>> >> End
>> >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>> >> Income Tax
>> >> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> >> Services
>> >> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector
>> >> *
>> >> Eliminate Regulation *
>> >>
>> >> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
>> >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1] https://aka.ms/ghei36
>>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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