[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

Mon Feb 11 16:38:59 EST 2019

I will apologize for my ignorance on Robert's Rules, and whatever the clarification is as a result of the Point of Order, Mr. O'Donnell and I will take care to abide in the future. 

As far as sharing emails, which I am assuming you are referring to when I shared the Resolution, along with only Mr. O'Donnells and my response with our LNC Region 8 group- you are not Region 8.  This is not a confidential topic, and it is in fact publicly accessible to our members, is it not?  Regardless, we are free to share our responses and communicate with our constituents whom those responses are supposed to represent.  Thanks. 

Since the Point of Order is already in motion, I guess we have to let it run its course, but I acknowledge that the mistake is ours (Mr. O'Donnell and I), and am willing to stand down.  Apologies for the rookie mistake. 

In Liberty, 

Jeff Lyons 

LNC 8A 

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On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:16 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:

I will alert the Chair that you raised a Point of Order
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
I can’t make rulings.  The proper procedure is to raise a point of order to the Chair.
I will note this has been the LNC practice for the four years I’ve been observing.  Further, this is not what happens at meetings.  You do not see the Chair scanning the room to see if an alternate is present every time a regional objects.
The purpose is for an alt to participate when a regional is not “at the table.”  By registering an abstention Mr. O’Donnel registered a “present” 
I would also note that the notation was in my voting tally sheet for days to avoid issues like this and nothing was said.  Other people may have changed their votes or the Chair may have voted if the count was different - that is why I urge everyone to review during voting.
I lastly submit that I think the sharing of the personal correspondence in bad taste.  I would not be happy if I found out my peers called my resolution “stupid” and I would remind everyone this was submitted by a member to whom we serve.  

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:20 PM Justin O'Donnell <justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
If need be for procedural reasons, I will move the appeal on Mr Lyons' 

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On 2019-02-11 14:05, Jeff Lyons wrote:

> All,

> 

>      I would like to Appeal the Secretary's ruling and Raise a Point

> of Order.  Not because I want to override the near 3/4 support for

> this resolution, but because it was in fact Mr. O'Donnell's intention

> to not be counted, and allow me as alternate to express a more

> strongly held conviction in my vote casting (albeit only slightly),

> and I think this should fall under our Policy Manual:

> 

>  "Section 1.01 GENERAL DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY

> 

> 1) Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings

> 

> Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC

> meetings is permitted."

> 

>      Roberts Rules does not have much on the topic of alternates in

> the way we use them.  In my view, an Abstention on an Electronic Mail

> Ballot should automatically defer to the Alternate, because that is

> what alternates are for.

> 

> Thanks for your consideration, sorry for being a pain, but both LNC 8

> Reps were generally against this resolution and should ultimately be

> counted as such.

> 

> Very Respectfully,

> 

> Jeff Lyons

> 

> LNC 8A

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> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"

> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> 

>> Actually now that I see this takes 3/4 votes, and 14 * .75 = 10.5,

>> and the motion should then fail?

>> 

>> -Jeff Lyons

>> 

>> LNC 8A

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>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:14 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"

>> wrote:

>> 

>> Mrs. Harlos,

>> 

>> It doesn't effect the result but Mr. O'Donnell abstained, and

>> as the alternate I voted No.

>> 

>> Thanks.

>> 

>> -Jeff Lyons

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>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:38 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via

>> Lnc-business"  wrote:

>> 

>> Voting has ENDED for the email *BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration

>> Resolution*

>> 

>> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.

>> 

>> *Motion:* Move to adopt the following resolution:

>> 

>> *WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role

>> of law

>> is in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the

>> initiation of force or fraud; WHEREAS, no individual has a natural

>> right to

>> prohibit consensual visitation to or consensual habitation on the

>> private

>> property of another individual; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party

>> believes

>> that eminent domain is a violation of private property rights;

>> WHEREAS, we

>> affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards they wish

>> for

>> entry onto their own private property but not that owned by others;

>> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural

>> rights

>> regardless of their citizenship; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party

>> holds that

>> any concerns related to the border, valid or otherwise, are better

>> addressed by removing the root causes of such concerns. Actions such

>> as

>> ending the War on Drugs, decriminalization of sex work, ending the

>> welfare

>> state, and allowing free trade would not only address those

>> concerns, but

>> do so in a budget positive way rather than costing billions;

>> WHEREAS, the

>> Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom demands the

>> unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across

>> national

>> borders: NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party

>> condemns

>> and opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it

>> through

>> congress or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration

>> of

>> emergency. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party

>> supports the

>> natural right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any

>> reason, subject only to rights of other individuals to control their

>> own

>> privately owned property.*

>> 

>> *Co-Sponsors: * Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips

>> 

>> *Voting "aye":*  Bilyeu, Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Harlos, Hewitt,

>> Lark,

>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips, Redpath

>> 

>> *Voting "nay": *Mattson, Smith, Van Horn

>> 

>> *Express Abstention:*  O''Donnell

>> 

>> *No Vote Cast:* Hagan, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark

>> 

>> With a final vote tally of 10-3-1 the motion *PASSED.*

>> 

>> *Note: * Secretary's Notes: Public policy resolutions require a 3/4

>> vote as

>> per Bylaw 7.11. There were thirteen votes cast (excluding the one

>> abstention) which would set the 3/4 threshold at 10. The "aye" votes

>> met

>> that threshold.

>> 

>> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:

>> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to

>> the

>> actual ballot cast for verification.

>> 

>> Please notify me of any discrepancies.

>> 

>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:57 PM Caryn Ann Harlos

>> wrote:

>> 

>>> Joshua is having email troubles and sent me a screenshot of his

>> email to

>>> record.  He has tried sending to the list and to me personally and

>> none

>>> have gotten through.  He votes no.  See attached.

>>> 

>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:16 PM Jeff Hewitt  wrote:

>>> 

>>>> I vote Yes on the resolution. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep

>>>> 

>>>> On 2019-02-10 07:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

>>>>> Reminder on this ballot ending today.

>>>>> 

>>>>> I do not record votes from Hagan, Hewitt/Olsen, Lark/Hogarth,

>>>>> Longstreth/Bowden, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark, Smith

>>>>> 

>>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:32 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <

>>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:

>>>>> 

>>>>>> I vote yes.

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> --

>>>>> 

>>>>> *  In Liberty,*

>>>>> 

>>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary

>> *-

>>>>> Caryn.Ann.

>>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.

>>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org

>>>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at

>>>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

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>> Re-Legalize

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>>>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All

>> Gun Laws *

>>>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The

>> Fed * End

>>>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the

>> Income

>>>>> Tax

>>>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market

>> Emergency

>>>>> Services

>>>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private

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>>>>> Eliminate Regulation *

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>>> 

>>> *  In Liberty,*

>>> 

>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-

>> Caryn.Ann.

>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.

>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org

>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at

>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

>>> 

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>> 

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>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *

>> Re-Legalize All

>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun

>> Laws *

>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed

>> * End

>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the

>> Income Tax

>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency

>> Services

>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private

>> Sector *

>>> Eliminate Regulation *

>>> 

>>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *

>>> 

>> 

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>>> 

>>> 

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>>> 

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>> 

>> --

>> 

>> *  In Liberty,*

>> 

>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-

>> Caryn.Ann.

>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.

>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org

>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at

>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

>> 

>> 

> =========================================================================

>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *

>> Re-Legalize All

>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun

>> Laws *

>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *

>> End

>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the

>> Income Tax

>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency

>> Services

>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector

>> *

>> Eliminate Regulation *

>> 

>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *

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  In Liberty,
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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  In Liberty,
Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
=========================================================================Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * 
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