[Lnc-business] BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration Resolution

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Mr. Lyons, correct I am not Region 8, but I don’t think I need to be in
order to object to any reference to a submission by a member as stupid.

We take liberties with each other but I think we owe the members who take
the time to interact with the LNC a UBR (Universal Basic Respect).  But
that is of course your call, and I will get out of your lane.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons at lp.org> wrote:

> I will apologize for my ignorance on Robert's Rules, and whatever the
> clarification is as a result of the Point of Order, Mr. O'Donnell and I
> will take care to abide in the future.
>
> As far as sharing emails, which I am assuming you are referring to when I
> shared the Resolution, along with only Mr. O'Donnells and my response with
> our LNC Region 8 group- you are not Region 8.  This is not a confidential
> topic, and it is in fact publicly accessible to our members, is it not?
> Regardless, we are free to share our responses and communicate with our
> constituents whom those responses are supposed to represent.  Thanks.
>
> Since the Point of Order is already in motion, I guess we have to let it
> run its course, but I acknowledge that the mistake is ours (Mr. O'Donnell
> and I), and am willing to stand down.  Apologies for the rookie mistake.
>
>
> In Liberty,
> Jeff Lyons
> LNC 8A
>
>
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>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:16 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I will alert the Chair that you raised a Point of Order
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t make rulings.  The proper procedure is to raise a point of order
>>> to the Chair.
>>>
>>> I will note this has been the LNC practice for the four years I’ve been
>>> observing.  Further, this is not what happens at meetings.  You do not see
>>> the Chair scanning the room to see if an alternate is present every time a
>>> regional objects.
>>>
>>> The purpose is for an alt to participate when a regional is not “at the
>>> table.”  By registering an abstention Mr. O’Donnel registered a “present”
>>>
>>> I would also note that the notation was in my voting tally sheet for
>>> days to avoid issues like this and nothing was said.  Other people may have
>>> changed their votes or the Chair may have voted if the count was different
>>> - that is why I urge everyone to review during voting.
>>>
>>> I lastly submit that I think the sharing of the personal correspondence
>>> in bad taste.  I would not be happy if I found out my peers called my
>>> resolution “stupid” and I would remind everyone this was submitted by a
>>> member to whom we serve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:20 PM Justin O'Donnell <
>>> justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If need be for procedural reasons, I will move the appeal on Mr Lyons'
>>>> Behalf.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Yours in Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Justin O'Donnell
>>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>>> Chair- LPNH Platform Committee
>>>> www.justinodonnell.me
>>>>
>>>> Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-02-11 14:05, Jeff Lyons wrote:
>>>> > All,
>>>> >
>>>> >      I would like to Appeal the Secretary's ruling and Raise a Point
>>>> > of Order.  Not because I want to override the near 3/4 support for
>>>> > this resolution, but because it was in fact Mr. O'Donnell's intention
>>>> > to not be counted, and allow me as alternate to express a more
>>>> > strongly held conviction in my vote casting (albeit only slightly),
>>>> > and I think this should fall under our Policy Manual:
>>>> >
>>>> >  "Section 1.01 GENERAL DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY
>>>> >
>>>> > 1) Participation by LNC Alternates at Meetings
>>>> >
>>>> > Free substitution of Alternates for Regional Representatives at LNC
>>>> > meetings is permitted."
>>>> >
>>>> >      Roberts Rules does not have much on the topic of alternates in
>>>> > the way we use them.  In my view, an Abstention on an Electronic Mail
>>>> > Ballot should automatically defer to the Alternate, because that is
>>>> > what alternates are for.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your consideration, sorry for being a pain, but both LNC 8
>>>> > Reps were generally against this resolution and should ultimately be
>>>> > counted as such.
>>>> >
>>>> > Very Respectfully,
>>>> >
>>>> > Jeff Lyons
>>>> >
>>>> > LNC 8A
>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:21 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"
>>>> > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Actually now that I see this takes 3/4 votes, and 14 * .75 = 10.5,
>>>> >> and the motion should then fail?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Jeff Lyons
>>>> >>
>>>> >> LNC 8A
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Get Outlook for Android
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:14 AM -0500, "Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business"
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mrs. Harlos,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It doesn't effect the result but Mr. O'Donnell abstained, and
>>>> >> as the alternate I voted No.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Jeff Lyons
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Get Outlook for Android
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:38 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>>> >> Lnc-business"  wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Voting has ENDED for the email *BALLOT 190203-1 Immigration
>>>> >> Resolution*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Motion:* Move to adopt the following resolution:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party believes that the only proper role
>>>> >> of law
>>>> >> is in the protection of the natural rights of individuals from the
>>>> >> initiation of force or fraud; WHEREAS, no individual has a natural
>>>> >> right to
>>>> >> prohibit consensual visitation to or consensual habitation on the
>>>> >> private
>>>> >> property of another individual; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
>>>> >> believes
>>>> >> that eminent domain is a violation of private property rights;
>>>> >> WHEREAS, we
>>>> >> affirm the right of individuals to set whatever standards they wish
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> entry onto their own private property but not that owned by others;
>>>> >> WHEREAS, we believe that all individuals have the same natural
>>>> >> rights
>>>> >> regardless of their citizenship; WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party
>>>> >> holds that
>>>> >> any concerns related to the border, valid or otherwise, are better
>>>> >> addressed by removing the root causes of such concerns. Actions such
>>>> >> as
>>>> >> ending the War on Drugs, decriminalization of sex work, ending the
>>>> >> welfare
>>>> >> state, and allowing free trade would not only address those
>>>> >> concerns, but
>>>> >> do so in a budget positive way rather than costing billions;
>>>> >> WHEREAS, the
>>>> >> Libertarian Party acknowledges that economic freedom demands the
>>>> >> unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across
>>>> >> national
>>>> >> borders: NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party
>>>> >> condemns
>>>> >> and opposes efforts to build a governmental border wall, be it
>>>> >> through
>>>> >> congress or gross abuse of authority in an ill-founded declaration
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> emergency. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party
>>>> >> supports the
>>>> >> natural right of freedom of movement of all peaceful people, for any
>>>> >> reason, subject only to rights of other individuals to control their
>>>> >> own
>>>> >> privately owned property.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Co-Sponsors: * Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Voting "aye":*  Bilyeu, Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Harlos, Hewitt,
>>>> >> Lark,
>>>> >> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips, Redpath
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Voting "nay": *Mattson, Smith, Van Horn
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Express Abstention:*  O''Donnell
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *No Vote Cast:* Hagan, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark
>>>> >>
>>>> >> With a final vote tally of 10-3-1 the motion *PASSED.*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Note: * Secretary's Notes: Public policy resolutions require a 3/4
>>>> >> vote as
>>>> >> per Bylaw 7.11. There were thirteen votes cast (excluding the one
>>>> >> abstention) which would set the 3/4 threshold at 10. The "aye" votes
>>>> >> met
>>>> >> that threshold.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>>> >> https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> actual ballot cast for verification.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:57 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Joshua is having email troubles and sent me a screenshot of his
>>>> >> email to
>>>> >>> record.  He has tried sending to the list and to me personally and
>>>> >> none
>>>> >>> have gotten through.  He votes no.  See attached.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:16 PM Jeff Hewitt  wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I vote Yes on the resolution. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 2019-02-10 07:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Reminder on this ballot ending today.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I do not record votes from Hagan, Hewitt/Olsen, Lark/Hogarth,
>>>> >>>>> Longstreth/Bowden, Nekhaila/Lee, Sarwark, Smith
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:32 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
>>>> >>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I vote yes.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary
>>>> >> *-
>>>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> >>>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> >>>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>>> >>>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >> Fed * End
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>>>> >> Income
>>>> >>>>> Tax
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>>>> >>>>>
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>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> >>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> >>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>>> >>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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>>>> >>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>>>> >> Re-Legalize All
>>>> >>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>>>> >> Laws *
>>>> >>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed
>>>> >> * End
>>>> >>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>>>> >> Income Tax
>>>> >>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>>>> >> Services
>>>> >>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private
>>>> >> Sector *
>>>> >>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>>> >> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> =========================================================================
>>>> >> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>>>> >> Re-Legalize All
>>>> >> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun
>>>> >> Laws *
>>>> >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
>>>> >> End
>>>> >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>>>> >> Income Tax
>>>> >> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>>>> >> Services
>>>> >> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector
>>>> >> *
>>>> >> Eliminate Regulation *
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Links:
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>>>> > [1] https://aka.ms/ghei36
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>
>>> =========================================================================
>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>>
>>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
>>> =========================================================================
>>>
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
>> =========================================================================
>>
> --

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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